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skybluesteve76

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Thorn urges youngsters to sign deals
By Covsupport News Service/RD
Updated Friday, 27th May 2011
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Thorn frustrated with young players agents antics
Coventry City manager Andy Thorn has expressed his frustration over the length of time some of the City youngsters are taking to sign their recently offered contracts.
Thorn blames agent interference for putting doubts into the minds of four of the five former Academy players and complicating relatively straightforward processes.
Five of Coventry City's younger players have been offered new deals after their existing contracts expired at the end of the season, but only one, right back Jordan Clarke has said he will sign.
The other four who have been offered new deals, goal keeper Danny Ireland, defender Nathan Cameron, and strikers Callum Wilson and Shaun Jeffers are all stalling while their agents see if they can tout their wards elsewhere.
Andy Thorn is both frustrated and disappointed at the delaying tactics as he wants to get on with the rebuilding of his side in readiness for next season. He cannot begin any rebuilding until he knows who he will have in his squad.
Thorn explained, “Clarkey is happy with his offer and has told me he is going to re-sign. Everything is agreed and he’s looking forward to next season.”
The 19 year old Nathan Cameron,who played 26 times for City last season and 22 year old Danny Ireland have been offered three year deals, while Shaun Jeffers and Callum Wilson, who have yet to prove they are up to Championship standard, have been offered one year deals with Coventry City.
Thorn expressed his opinion, saying, “Callum and Shaun have been given a lifeline if you like, to have a go next season but they are yet to sign. I expect them to sign and would be disappointed if don’t, as I would Nathan because they are young boys who shouldn’t be guided by agents, certainly not when they are learning their trade.
“There are a lot of young boys out there who would love the opportunity. If someone offered me a professional contract or an extension to prove myself I’d be in the next morning, saying where do you want me to sign?"
“They are working with an ex-England and Premiership coach as their first team coach in Steve Harrison teaching them the right way, and with the experience we have got between us, it’s a case of go on then son, go and show us what you can do, there’s your chance to go and play football."
“There’s an opportunity to develop at a football club that is going places, so they need to wise up a little bit and concentrate on their football rather than worrying about anything else."
He continued, “When I was 18 and was offered a year’s contract I went in that afternoon and sat there until it was signed. I didn’t go away and talk to an agent. We didn’t have agents then. I am surprised that a teenager wants to turn to an agent to decide whether or not to sign a contract."
"They are not proven players, they are potential that we need to nurture and develop for the football club. They are not your finished articles, if you like. They will be eventually but not at the moment."
“If you want to learn the game properly under a good coach at a good club, great, because when you are that age your only focus should be developing and playing football. If you have to listen to an agent at that age then I will start having second thoughts about people like that.”
Two other Coventry City youngsters have already signed one year professional deals with the club. Goalkeeper Lee Burge and defender Cyrus Christie signed their contracts after being offered them at the end of the season.
 

CovScott88

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Well done to Jordan Clarke firstly, seems like the only one that has his head screwed on right. Looks like he will sign the contract when he returns from holiday. The others need to hurry up and sign. Not quite sure what Nathan is thinking by not signing. If he were to leave, he certainly wouldn't be signed by another Championship side, so any move would be a backwards step. Even if he did manage to atract another Championship side, he certainly wouldn't get as many games for them as he has this season for us. I think the same goes for Danny, Callum and Shaun. Danny isn't going to be No1 anywhere anytime soon, so may aswell keep working and improving with Oggy. Shaun and Callum must know that they would also have to take a step down if they weren't to sign. They have been given a chance to prove themselves, why would you not take that?!
 

We'll_live_and_die

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I think these lads could do with a job in the real world. They probably earn in 10 weeks what most of us earn in a year. Life outside of football isn't that easy and to not sign could be death to their careers.
 

kg82

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Echoing what CovScott says, well done to Jordan Clarke. The most promising out of all of them and obviously the most sensible too.
 

SkyBluesAndy

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Rip up their contracts and offer a deal to Quirke. Looks like these kids are only in football for all the wrong reasons, you would think they would jump at the chance to play for an established championship side at their age - they may yet find out this is their ceiling league. Unbelievable Jeff. Sick of players taking our club for a ride
 

ajsccfc

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So we don't know the actual reasons why they've yet to sign, but let's just assume the very worst.
 

kg82

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ajs, it's kind of what Thorn's hinted at in The Telegraph today. Sounds as though he likes agents as much as everyone else. The more I read about Thorn the more I like he's in charge of our club.
 

ajsccfc

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Players shouldn't be blamed for having agents, particularly teenagers who are hardly going to be well-versed in negotiation. If they reject the deals, get big-headed and fail then fine, let's attack them for being spoilt. If they take their time to make a decision on the next however many years of their career, then that strikes me as sensible.

They may want whatever gives them the most chance of first-team football. Does anyone here expect to see Shaun Jeffers in the team much?
 

kg82

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I'm not attacking the players, just said well done to JC. The rest can do what they want. Of course they can have agents and they should be looking at what's best for their career, but I doubt very much the agent is looking for anything else but more money.
 

kg82

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I'm not attacking the players, just said well done to JC. The rest can do what they want. Of course they can have agents and they should be looking at what's best for their career, but I doubt very much the agent is looking for anything else but more money.

I will say that my point of view there is quite cynical and maybe clouded a litlle bit with a bad morning so far!
 

ajsccfc

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The agent will be all about the cash sure, but then it's down to the player as to how much influence the agent has. I certainly don't agree with the idea that the contracts should be ripped up.
 

Marty

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Apart from Cameron none have done anything, when they fail to find new clubs and come back here to sign the deals then we should just tell them to do one. If they don't want to be here then just piss off.
 

Nick

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Shouldn't Danny "Kick the ball once and get injured" Ireland be taking whatever he can get?
 

1ccfc

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With all these players who might be leaving I going to get my boots out and give Thorn a call. :p
 

sotv1987

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Rip up their contracts and offer a deal to Quirke. Looks like these kids are only in football for all the wrong reasons, you would think they would jump at the chance to play for an established championship side at their age - they may yet find out this is their ceiling league. Unbelievable Jeff. Sick of players taking our club for a ride


Spot on Andy, can't understand why we let Quirk go before Danny has even signed a contract, set them a deadline AT, then F**k the ungrateful twats off!!!
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
I dont see any problem at all in the young lads taking time to think over a job offer for the skills they have any one would do that (either in unreal football world or ours). I am sure that AT would have loved them to be falling over themselves to sign the contract offered but they havent. You also have to read into it that AT is putting a bit of pressure on to sign, it is all part of the process. You have to remember AT needs not just quality in the squad but numbers, I suspect part of his blueprint is to bolster the squad with younger players - players that might not get a regular game. Players above all want to play. Dropping down a league might not seem a step forward but to their own personal development it could be if they are playing each week.

Any player, whether young or old will have a lot to consider. Clarke signed because the contract was acceptable and he has reasonable prospect of playing in the first team reasonably regularly if end of season was anything to go by. Cameron played early doors but wasnt high on AT's list by end of season and finished with a lot less confidence of playing, there is a lot of competition at centre half and the lad wants to play. Danny Ireland, hasnt broken into the team and the club is talking of other keepers as a priority so that will give him doubts. Jeffers has been out on loan getting regular matches, will he be loaned out again or be at best a bench warmer here. Wilson perhaps he needs to weigh up whether he will get the games or involvement here or be playing regular elsewhere. No doubt the lads will have to check out the financial options and are being advised by their agents (nearly all players have agents why should these lads be different) but I dont think we should jump to the conclusion it is all about money

Plus they have seen from inside what is going on at the club and might not be convinced it is all good. We dont know. There is more to this than money...... but certainly not excluding that major factor
 

kg82

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The agent will be all about the cash sure, but then it's down to the player as to how much influence the agent has. I certainly don't agree with the idea that the contracts should be ripped up.

Ah no, I wouldn't say that either! I'm not annoyed with the players at all, it's agents that really get me! The anger shown by some football fans off the back of newspaper articles (this one in a paper where a "huge story" had been known by the fans for a couple of weeks previous) is unjustified. I think the reason Thorn's given this interview is probably just to get the players thinking about where they are and to hurry up the process a little bit. Quite clever really as he can then see who he thinks isn't committed to the cause as well.
 

Sky_Blue_Daz

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Show Wilson and Jeffers the door, not even proven at this level and giving billybigspuds
 

rob9872

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Come on guys. These are OUR future. Don't be too quick to criticise. They have probably been badly advised or there has been some miscommunication so lets not get on them so quickly based on this. In fact I'm disappointed it has come out at all, as this kind of thing as it should be dealt with 'in house' imo. Tehy are probably on their hols and it will all get sorted so get behind them because yuong egos are likely to be fragile. Don't cut off your nose to spite yur face.
 

ccfctommy

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Whats wrong with looking at your options? Dunno why people are slagging the players off, i'll imagine most of them/if not all will sign anyway.

I see Danny Ireland has been offered a three year deal - I was once told (and its becoming clear) that Oggy thinks that he is the real deal and a future number one.

Havent saw a lot of Wilson and Jeffers but I think it'll be in Camerons best intrests if he signs. Otherwise he will wind up at Nothampton or Walsall or somewhere like that.
 

mattylad

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Plus you have to understand how agents work, they see a player is out of contract and then start hawking them round. If a club shows some sort of interest then they will approach the player and say sign me on as your agent and I have a deal lined up for you with club whoeverx .....these people are in the main blood suckers and in no way have the players interest at heart as they dont even represent the players they are trying to flog.
 

ashbyjan

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Why are these kids being blamed - they have been offered contracts, and who are we to say if they are good or bad offers, and are doing the sensible thing, weighing up all the options. I am sure their agents are simply doing their job and seeing if there is anything better on offer elsewhere - this may be better financially but also in terms of club ambition, potential playing time etc - if they simply signed the first contract that was offered to them surely they wouldn't bother having an agent. Agents are the curse of the modern game in many ways and it;s bad enough 18 year old players having agents but when refs have agents you know the game is going to hell in a handcart.
 

SkyBlueMania

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I think it's just the fact that times have changed. In thorn's day you didn't have agents when your were 17, you were just relieved that your local club were offering you the chance to play for them and providing you with a career. To him it's probably quite rude to have a club nurture you for years and to then just give them to fingers and sell yourself as a mercenary to the highest bidder. I know they can't really be blamed as it's their career's, but i know how Thorn feels, i would expect a morsel of loyalty and respect from the players. It's that he is having a go at, not the fact they are looking for money.
 

Disorganised1

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At under 18 the money is controlled to a minimum, but does not have a maximum. I suspect we're not offering anything above minimum to the 2 lads we're offering a 1 year extension to, and that might be the reason.
 

sw88

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Fair play to AT. Bout time we had someone in charge whos not afraid to tell the players straight. We have too many managers in the past who are afraid of sayin things incase they ruffel a few feathers!

Well done Jordan Clarke. Def got his head screwed on (but also an ex city legend for an agent lol). Seems to be the only one interested in stayin on our books, and doin exactly what AT has said he wud do given the opportunity again.

Tbh, now hes signed, apart from Cameron (even tho i think hes still tied down, and the offer is an improved contract rather than him being out of contract) i wudnt be too upset if the others didnt sign. Im no expert in identifying players with potential, but im still bemused by the clubs decision to offer Ireland and Jeffers. Neither have shown any 'potential' when ive seem em (pre season etc). Neither wud be missed imo!
 

ccfc1973

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i dont know what all the fuss is about? we wont miss any of these if they leave, the best one (clarke) has already signed up and even if cameron does sign id send him out on loan for the season as we have 5 better centre-backs than him
 

kg82

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I see the reason these players have not signed as yet becuase they are on holiday. Danny ireland is apparently at home in Australia!

If thats true then thats shocking reporting from the CT, especially the 'fans backlash' piece in todays rag. Thorn should ban them fromthe training ground. :mad:

http://www.coventrycity-mad.co.uk/n...oungsters_contract_signing_680035/index.shtml

Yeah, I noticed that piece today. What an unbelievable thing to do! Sometimes you have to wonder whether that paper has Coventry's best interests at heart.
 

ajsccfc

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They want to stoke the flames of controversy, it's good for a paper to have people jumping to conclusions and getting all outraged over nothing.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Clear case as usual of the CT creating a story out of nothing. News is obviously quiet around CCFC....... surprisingly everyone including AT is on holiday..... shock horror what a surprise it being the close season!

Let them go is the cry ! .... really ? ...... that would be because the club and manager simply because of time didnt offer contracts sooner (no fault on their part at all it was just how things were) and the players didnt sign without properly understanding their rights and options before taking a holiday (dont see any fault there either)

As for those who shout get rid of Cameron..... really ? ........ 12 months ago he was in the conference north the fact he formed such a good partnership with Turner for the first part of last season proves the potential he has. To focus on the latter part of the season when the young lad should have been rested but wasnt because of other injuries is short sighted. Yes there are other centre backs, one on long term injury possibly career threatening, one injury prone and therefore cannot be relied upon, one consistently under achieving, one a right back and one of understated ability...... you can fit the names to the qualities......we might have numbers we dont have reliable quality...... Cameron is a young man improving the others have largely hit their level.

We make much of developing our own youth and because the CT whip up a storm in a teacup to sell papers we get on our high horses ..... when actually a bit of patience is far better placed
 
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kg82

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1st thing OSB, agreed about Cameron. If we have any modern history to go by with a player such as Cameron all we have to do is look at Turner.

Also, is that true about Turners injury, it could be career threatening? To be honest, I haven't kept up to date with it, I just thought it was taking longer than first thought.
 

covcity4life

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Rip up their contracts and offer a deal to Quirke. Looks like these kids are only in football for all the wrong reasons, you would think they would jump at the chance to play for an established championship side at their age - they may yet find out this is their ceiling league. Unbelievable Jeff. Sick of players taking our club for a ride

quirke? hes no world beater and manager doesnt see him as worthy...why would we give him the wages? because you are enamoured with one end of season performance?
 

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