yeah i watched the match... I think league 1 is about his level right now to be honest. League 2 - he was one of the best, League 1 - he will be about your average keeper. Kicking is massive part of being a keeper... if he was better at kicking & caught the odd cross he misses then he'd most likely have be in a higher league by now.Can I just say this summed up my previous point. It's great that you support Burge but can you honestly say he's a good goalkeeper at this level? And 7 really? Did you not see any of his kicks or do you not qualify as a part of goalkeeping in your book?
yeah i watched the match... I think league 1 is about his level right now to be honest. League 2 - he was one of the best, League 1 - he will be about your average keeper. Kicking is massive part of being a keeper... if he was better at kicking & caught the odd cross he misses then he'd most likely have be in a higher league by now.
Think it was the last match against rochdale, their keeper made a couple of terrible kicks.. much worse than burge's
Ridiculous confirmation bias. No chance to parry that out wide because of the angle and speed of the strike and as @mds says, there's a player hovering for exactly that.You clearly know nothing about goalkeeping. If you can't catch and have to parry it has to go to the side, away from goal.
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I agree League One is his level and I wouldn't necessarily say he looks out of his depth but like you said he's your average keeper. He's come on leaps and bounds since he first started consistently playing but his development has probably peaked and I cannot see him improving from now on.
Of course he would be in a better league but you could apply a similar logic to any player. If Willis was stronger and taller he'd easily be playing in the Championship but the fact of the matter is he isn't.
It might not sound like it but I'm completely behind Burge but that doesn't mean I don't think we could do better with regards to bringing in a replacement. It seems as if we're resting on our laurels with Burge as over the past few seasons it's a position we've failed to address and at the end of the day teams aren't promoted on the back of managers resting on their laurels with a player just because he's 'fine' for the respective league they ply their trade in. MR now has time to identify someone to compete with Burge in that position and I hope that individual will be brought in, in January. If we were in Rochdale's position where they probably consider a good season to be mid-table then stick with a player of Burge's quality but I'd personally rather this position be addressed.
We seem to be agreeing in general I thinkbut your points also seem to contradict each other...
"Of course he would be in a better league but you could apply a similar logic to any player. If Willis was stronger and taller he'd easily be playing in the Championship but the fact of the matter is he isn't."
So does willis need replacing too then ? as we could get better & we are aiming for championship quality not league 1 ... genuine question ?
Your point is bang on... we could apply the same logic to any of our players, but we are not! we are only applying it to Burge all the time, why ? which I guess is the point I was making.
I don't understand how you think that is contradictory when I was applying your own logic to any player within the team? I was merely expressing that your view is cliche as if any of our current squad corrected their flaws they would be in a higher division, I think that goes without saying. That doesn't mean those such as Willis aren't good enough, it means if every player improved their all-round game they would have been picked up by a higher placed club already. Not sure that's contradictory as that is nothing to do with the players' own ability, that's just an obvious statement.
No of course not because he's a player that could make the step up and is still learning - unlike Burge. I merely used him as an example as he's one of our best players and even Willis could improve. There is always a better player out there so if someone such as Liam Moore from Reading became available and was desperate to join the club then I wouldn't batter an eyelid at Willis being replaced with him.
Burge is always targeted because if we're aiming for promotion he's simply not good enough. You said it yourself he's found his league - but the Championship is a different ballgame altogether. Look at the goalkeepers who played in the promoted teams from League One last season - none were replaced. Now that doesn't necessarily mean they're top Championship goalkeepers but their respective managers consider them good enough to make the step up. I can confidently say MR knows that Burge will need to be replaced or another goalkeeper will need to be brought in, if we are ever successful in promotion from League One.
He is bringing in better than what we already have though? Well the jury is still out there on that one for some of his signings but he's tried to anyway. For instance, he brought in Sterling who was supposed to be a better replacement for DiKE, Mason who was a better replacement for Haynes, Brown who was a better replacement for Stokes etc. etc. etc.
Burge (or even worse RCC) was goalkeeper when the side spent half of the season top of the league wasn't he?
I don't understand how you think that is contradictory when I was applying your own logic to any player within the team? I was merely expressing that your view is cliche as if any of our current squad corrected their flaws they would be in a higher division, I think that goes without saying. That doesn't mean those such as Willis aren't good enough, it means if every player improved their all-round game they would have been picked up by a higher placed club already. Not sure that's contradictory as that is nothing to do with the players' own ability, that's just an obvious statement.
No of course not because he's a player that could make the step up and is still learning - unlike Burge. I merely used him as an example as he's one of our best players and even Willis could improve. There is always a better player out there so if someone such as Liam Moore from Reading became available and was desperate to join the club then I wouldn't batter an eyelid at Willis being replaced with him.
Burge is always targeted because if we're aiming for promotion he's simply not good enough. You said it yourself he's found his league - but the Championship is a different ballgame altogether. Look at the goalkeepers who played in the promoted teams from League One last season - none were replaced. Now that doesn't necessarily mean they're top Championship goalkeepers but their respective managers consider them good enough to make the step up. I can confidently say MR knows that Burge will need to be replaced or another goalkeeper will need to be brought in, if we are ever successful in promotion from League One.
He is bringing in better than what we already have though? Well the jury is still out there on that one for some of his signings but he's tried to anyway. For instance, he brought in Sterling who was supposed to be a better replacement for DiKE, Mason who was a better replacement for Haynes, Brown who was a better replacement for Stokes etc. etc. etc.
Goalkeepers get better with age.
True but few get chance to gain experience at one club these days. Everyone wants the best NOW. I like Burge and given time he will prove what a top goalie he may be.Goalkeepers get better with age.
I think if we got promoted then, as with this season, you don’t replace the whole team. I think Willis would be one of the players that you would hope could step up to the next level. Under Billy Frith and then Jimmy Hill, George Curtis played in all divisions, fourth to first and didn’t look out of place. There were quite a few players who played in the third division who were still there in the first. I think a few of this team could play higher, I hope it is with us!We seem to be agreeing in general I thinkbut your points also seem to contradict each other...
"Of course he would be in a better league but you could apply a similar logic to any player. If Willis was stronger and taller he'd easily be playing in the Championship but the fact of the matter is he isn't."
So does willis need replacing too then ? as we could get better & we are aiming for championship quality not league 1 ... genuine question ?
Your point is bang on... we could apply the same logic to any of our players, but we are not! we are only applying it to Burge all the time, why ? which I guess is the point I was making.
I think Leon Britton played all 4 divisions for Swansea and was quality in the PL when they first went up.I think if we got promoted then, as with this season, you don’t replace the whole team. I think Willis would be one of the players that you would hope could step up to the next level. Under Billy Frith and then Jimmy Hill, George Curtis played in all divisions, fourth to first and didn’t look out of place. There were quite a few players who played in the third division who were still there in the first. I think a few of this team could play higher, I hope it is with us!
Joe Allen played in 3 leagues too. Swansea are still the model to follow imo.I think Leon Britton played all 4 divisions for Swansea and was quality in the PL when they first went up.
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What is his positioning all about on corners?Our GK is being blamed for conceding a free header from a corner. Christ, that makes no sense. It’s pretty basic football that if you lose your marker in the box, you really ought to score that opportunity. The fault for the goal was Sterling losing his man!
This obsession with needing a new GK is getting out of hand.
Joe Allen played in 3 leagues too. Swansea are still the model to follow imo.
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