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Passport Control (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter Grendel
  • Start date Sep 14, 2021
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For or Against Vaccine Passports?

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    Votes: 30 65.2%
  • Against

    Votes: 16 34.8%

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #36
Grendel said:
There are a lot of illnesses that are self inflicted. It’s a strange thought process that people are in favour of two tiered lifestyles based on a personal choice
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It’s a global pandemic, it’s hardly comparable to something like obesity or smoking.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #37
Sick Boy said:
It’s a global pandemic, it’s hardly comparable to something like obesity or smoking.
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Obesity increases the risks from COVID.

The point was about the strain on the NHS.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #38
Sick Boy said:
It’s a global pandemic, it’s hardly comparable to something like obesity or smoking.
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I don’t see what that has to do with an argument regarding having a passport which will be skewed towards vaccines. Perhaps 12 year olds should have to have them
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #39
Nick said:
Obesity increases the risks from COVID.

The point was about the strain on the NHS.
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IMO, if the UK carries on as it is, it’ll end up back in lockdown.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #40
Sick Boy said:
IMO, if the UK carries on as it is, it’ll end up back in lockdown.
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If we ban obese people from things until they lose weight then the strain on the NHS will be massively lifted.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #41
Sick Boy said:
IMO, if the UK carries on as it is, it’ll end up back in lockdown.
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Why? We have high cases but not massive increase in hospitalisation. France I think has a similar number in hospital I think?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #42
robbiekeane said:
you just can’t travel around and go to mass gatherings and do whatever you want putting other people’s lives in danger if you choose not to have it
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As @jordan210 rightly points out, a passport doesn't magically make the vaccinated non-contagious....so its the non-vacinated that remain at a higher risk....so if they wanna go clubbing (at greater risk) let them.....its their lookout...

I'm still hopeful the constant talk of passports is just nudging a few more to take up the vaccine........
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #43
I can’t believe I’m not allowed to drive a car without a driving license. My liberties are being taken away from me grrr.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #44
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #45
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
As @jordan210 rightly points out, a passport doesn't magically make the vaccinated non-contagious....so its the non-vacinated that remain at a higher risk....so if they wanna go clubbing (at greater risk) let them.....its their lookout...

I'm still hopeful the constant talk of passports is just nudging a few more to take up the vaccine........
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And then what happens if the vaccinated person is carrying the virus and then goes to see an elderly relative before they’ve been offered a booster?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #46
Sick Boy said:
And then what happens if the vaccinated person is carrying the virus and then goes to see an elderly relative before they’ve been offered a booster?
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...to (glibly) quote Alan Partridge......what if your arm bursts?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #47
Nick said:
If we ban obese people from things until they lose weight then the strain on the NHS will be massively lifted.
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I admire your persistence at trying to push this obesity angle still despite it being shot down every time.

It's not remotely comparable. Last time I checked obesity still isn't contagious.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #48
I can’t believe I’m not allowed entry into (enter several destinations here) without a yellow fever vaccination certificate. My liberties grrr.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #49
.....On the plus side....vaccine passports would be a great shot in the arm for the illegal rave scene.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #50
I can’t believe that I’m not allowed to work with children and vulnerable people without a background check. My liberties grrr.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #51
Anyhow. The majority of people on here are in favour of them and by about the same amount as the country as a whole. It’s a minority issue but as always the government pander to a minority of mostly fruit loops amongst their own ranks.
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #52
People keep talking about liberties, what about the liberties of the much larger group, ie those who've been vaccinated and don't want to share a room with someone who isn't vaccinated? If they want us to carry around a bit of paper/ email to show we've been vaccinated then who gives a toss, maybe its my ignorance but don't see what the big deal is
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #53
Deleted member 5849 said:
. We have plenty of restrictions on what we can do anyway (I can't go in certain clubs if I wear trainers, for a facetious example, but my trainers don't inflict harm on others, however horrible they may be...) but they're taken for granted as restrictions, as they're set into a societal norm. There are certain clubs, for that matter, I can't go to because I'm either not a member, not elected a member, and / oram the wrong gender...
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Ha! Good point
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #54
COV said:
People keep talking about liberties, what about the liberties of the much larger group, ie those who've been vaccinated and don't want to share a room with someone who isn't vaccinated? If they want us to carry around a bit of paper/ email to show we've been vaccinated then who gives a toss, maybe its my ignorance but don't see what the big deal is
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Why wouldn’t you want to share a room with someone not vaccinated?
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #55
Nick said:
Can we ban obese people now? After all the hundreds of thousands of obesity-related NHS admissions every year will be crippling the NHS.
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8,000 phase one elites.
3,000 shirts sent out (medium and large only)

Be careful what you wish for...
 
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #56
There is no scientific proof for vaccine passports work.

If you look what highly regarded professional body


Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee

No justification for Covid passports, say Committee

"Government has so far failed to make the scientific case"

"Overall, we found that the Government has not established a clear scientific case, nor a good overriding public interest case for the introduction of a Covid-status certification system. There remain a large number of uncertainties about the rationale for an operation of such a system, as well as serious ethical concerns in regards to discrimination and infringement of individual rights and significant data protection concerns. When we consider that the Government’s own assessment that the case for introduction is “finely balanced”, it is our clear recommendation that the Government abandon the idea of using a Covid-status certification system domestically."

No justification for Covid passports, say Committee - Committees - UK Parliament

<p>The Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee call for Government to abandon unjustified plans and says they have not made the scientific case, in its report on Covid 19 vaccine certification published today.</p>
committees.parliament.uk

As I said its a complete false sense of security.
 
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hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #57
Grendel said:
Why wouldn’t you want to share a room with someone not vaccinated?
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Minimises the risk of a conversation about Bill Gates?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #58
hill83 said:
Minimises the risk of a conversation about Bill Gates?
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And ‘them’ and ‘the agenda’.
 
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COV

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #59
Sick Boy said:
And ‘them’ and ‘the agenda’.
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Has anybody actually clarified what the "agenda" is, its a very common word thrown around but nobody can explain what it actually is
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #60
jordan210 said:
There is no scientific proof for vaccine passports work.

If you look what highly regarded professional body say such as the BMJ

COVID-19 vaccine passports are not evidence-based and violate people’s freedom of choice

COVID-19 vaccine passports are not evidence-based and violate people’s freedom of choice

www.bmj.com
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That is not an article or paper by the BMJ, it is a letter in response to a BMJ article.

Edit: and it appears to have been written by an Australian reporter who got stood down from her TV program for inaccurate stories about WiFi frying kids brains.
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #61
COV said:
Has anybody actually clarified what the "agenda" is, its a very common word thrown around but nobody can explain what it actually is
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The 'agenda' is buried in Area 51. Everybody should know that.

Do Your Own Research sheeple!
 
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #62
skybluetony176 said:
I can’t believe I’m not allowed entry into (enter several destinations here) without a yellow fever vaccination certificate. My liberties grrr.
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A couple of points why this analogy is completely ridiculous.

Vaccine for yellow fever prevents illness not spread. As yellow fever isn't spread by close contact. Its spread by Mosquitoes. Who amazingly have not been vaccinated.

Also when have you ever shown your yellow fever certificate to go to the football or a pint down your local ?

Answer you havent as its not a domestic passport. Its a condition to travel to certain places.
 
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #63
PVA said:
That is not an article or paper by the BMJ, it is a letter in response to a BMJ article.

Edit: and it appears to have been written by an Australian reporter who got stood down from her TV program for inaccurate stories about WiFi frying kids brains.
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Have edited. accordingly.
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #64
COV said:
Has anybody actually clarified what the "agenda" is, its a very common word thrown around but nobody can explain what it actually is
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Hardly anyone goes on like this though.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #65
I can’t decide if I’m for them or not to be honest. Can we have a not sure option?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #66
Marty said:
Hardly anyone goes on like this though.
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How many were at the protest with the woman calling for doctors and nurses to hang?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #67
Presumably those vehemently against also oppose UK and non-UK residents having to provide their vaccination status when entering the country and would like to see this requirement removed?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #68
Sick Boy said:
Presumably those vehemently against also oppose UK and non-UK residents having to provide their vaccination status when entering the country and would like to see this requirement removed?
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no as some countries have low vaccine rates and the risk of new variant transmission is higher. That’s also an entry to a country not a restriction within the country
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #69
Grendel said:
That’s also an entry to a country not a restriction within the country
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So you don’t agree with British citizens having to quarantine once they enter the country then?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 15, 2021
  • #70
SBT said:
So you don’t agree with British citizens having to quarantine once they enter the country then?
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Again an absurd comparison if coming from a high risk country then clearly they will have to and it’s a 10 day restriction not one for an unspecified time period.

I actually think if it’s high risk and someone elects to travel they should be regardless of vaccine status
 
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