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[Wrenstreetcarpark]

I am not talking turnover. I am talking net profit.

 

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[Godiva]

Surprisingly Godiva though my firm does do audits I actually have my own business to run as well

Wow - you must be having some interesting talks with yourself at times:
- Your income is below budget!
- Yes, but the crisis you know, the clients are going out of business.
- The crisis was here when you did the budget, surely you must have know some clients would fail.
- Yes, I did, but I said to the employees they had to find some new clients and they agreed and we put some numbers into the budget to come up with the same profit as last year.
- Oh, and you believed them did you? I thought you were an auditor. You should know people cannot be trusted.
- I will not have this conversation with myself. I am off to the pub for a beer.
- You are certainly not! Your pub bill is already way over the budget!

If they can find the extra funds to buy into the stadium income sources why have they never done this ..... in fact why have they never tried until now ....... it is not a new problem and it ain't rocket science. Doesnt say much for their skills or the people they partner or employ really

It's a valid point, but two explonations spring to mind
1) Previous boards have failed miserably on everything business like. Now there's a new boss around and so new actions are taken.
2) If investments into extra revenues would not guarantee to raise the valuation of the business, new funds could prove very hard to find. If they are close to breakeven and the extra revenue will put the company in black figures, new funds are much easier to find.

I am speculating, you know. I know nothing, so business as usual.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Yes, it's so out of character that the club suddenly starts to communicate, but why can't we see it as a positive reaction to the fans demands instead of playing the conspiracy card?

Because it isn't, is it, as well you know yourself? It's called Public Relations, and I'm amazed it took them 5 years to give it a serious go! If you really think that SISU are communicating now because Joy woke up one morning and said "you know, we should stop being horrible to the fans of Coventry City..we should treat them with respect, rather than as idiots, because it's their club, not ours".

No, that didn't happen. They need us-whether it's our ST sales, like last year when we got the Franchise Player and "Thorn will have same budget as Boothroyd" bullshit, or because they somehow hope to provoke moral outrage that, erm..they can't be bothered to meet their financial obligations: ones that they, or their investors, do have the money to meet, but don't want to. Obligations that suddenly are more of an issue becasue they done got the club relegated by stripping the squad bare, God sarn it! :facepalm:

They can't be allowed to get away with continually lying to their customer base. In any other business they would have already gone bust as customers would have deserted them in droves due to the litany of lies-us footy fans are a captive audience ripe for abusing.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

i will renew mine the day sisu fuck off.

And the money I save in the meantime can partly go on train tickets to London to join in any protests that you organise for before away games!

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

How long did Fisher say it would take to get his answer from SISU for the budget? Anyone else think he already knew the answer before he even asked? And the next thing that happens is this game of bad PR chess where there can only be one loser-the fans of CCFC. I'd say that pretty much confirms that the SISU answer was an overwhelming "no"!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Paul Barber's helping SISU evaluate it-so God knows. Third party makes it yet more complicated!

 

[torchomatic]

Whoosh!!!!

Try going to the less glamourous games as well...that would help AT and the lads......:thinking about:

 

[Grendel]

Whoosh!!!!

Didn't know you were a bandwagoner Thorhy.

 

[torchomatic]

Are you getting me and our manager mixed up? I have put on a bit of timber lately, it has to be said, so I can understand the confusion.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Think he was getting at a Torch-Thorny hybrid.

 

[Grendel]

Think he was getting at a Torch-Thorny hybrid.

I said to my wife the other day - look at Thorn - the fattest manager in League Football - she said he's about half my size. At least I've got hair.

 

[torchomatic]

I like it! One part idiot, one part master tactician, but which part is which?

Think he was getting at a Torch-Thorny hybrid.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Remember Johann Boskamp who managed Stoke? Thorny would have him anyday.

 

[ccfcno9]

why follow me ??do you know if i have a season ticket? no, all i am saying is that fans that dont go to home games are no less important than fans that go to home games!!! but to many people what to throw accusations and names at people because they choose to buy a season ticket or not :facepalm::facepalm:

Sorry, I have to disagree fans that don,t go to home are just that!, Fans that do go to home games are 'supporters' by way of fact that the admission paid either by ST or single game ticket generates the cash to keep our club going.Money aside I would guess that the players would think those in attendance at home are also more important than those listening at home on the radio.The awayday experience is great to be part of but financially only benefits the away club.
This year I don,t even feel fleeced for the £289 paid for my ST as I was,nt expecting to see anything in the way of decent new players despite the promise,s given pre season.Anyone with more than a single brain cell knew that SISU had f**ked up before the season had started and as investors they were going to call a halt on losing money at the rate they had been.
If you havent worked it out already there are another 1349 like me!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I said to my wife the other day - look at Thorn - the fattest manager in League Football - she said he's about half my size. At least I've got hair.

And are no doubt much better looking too I wager.

 

[Jack Griffin]

1) Previous boards have failed miserably on everything business like. Now there's a new boss around and so new actions are taken.

Is that Fisher or is it because Seppalla has taken a closer interest?

 

[Sub]

Sorry, I have to disagree fans that don,t go to home are just that!, Fans that do go to home games are 'supporters' by way of fact that the admission paid either by ST or single game ticket generates the cash to keep our club going.Money aside I would guess that the players would think those in attendance at home are also more important than those listening at home on the radio.The awayday experience is great to be part of but financially only benefits the away club.
This year I don,t even feel fleeced for the £289 paid for my ST as I was,nt expecting to see anything in the way of decent new players despite the promise,s given pre season.Anyone with more than a single brain cell knew that SISU had f**ked up before the season had started and as investors they were going to call a halt on losing money at the rate they had been.
If you havent worked it out already there are another 1349 like me!

i wasnt expecting anything good this season when i brought my season ticket either also i go to away games does that make me double the fan you are ?? no !!! a fan is somebody that supports the team home or away and if its down to money it costs a damn site more to go to away games aswell !! a fan can be on the other side of the world but in your eyes because he doesnt go to home games he isnt a fan what about people that can not afford to go aswell or are to old ??? guess they are not fans either :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

 

[Sick Boy]

re the debt

Bobby Gould 1994 - we were £1.5m in debt and about to sell Phil Babb to liverpool for £3m to cover this
Bryan Richardson 2001 - When I left, the club had a 7.5m overdraft
Ray Ranson - 2009 - this club is debt free, and is a model for all football clubs

...and you believe everything Richardson & Ranson said? :facepalm:

 

[coundonskyblue]

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i wasnt expecting anything good this season when i brought my season ticket either also i go to away games does that make me double the fan you are ?? no !!! a fan is somebody that supports the team home or away and if its down to money it costs a damn site more to go to away games aswell !! a fan can be on the other side of the world but in your eyes because he doesnt go to home games he isnt a fan what about people that can not afford to go aswell or are to old ??? guess they are not fans either <img src="images/smilies/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Facepalm" smilieid="61" class="inlineimg" /><img src="images/smilies/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Facepalm" smilieid="61" class="inlineimg" /><img src="images/smilies/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Facepalm" smilieid="61" class="inlineimg" />

I would class a fan as someone who cares about the club.

Some people don't go to games because they find it so painful to see what we've become. Doesn't mean their not fans.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Next year I'm half way up Scotland-should I therefore fly back and forth every weekend to maintain my status as a true fan? Nonsense.

 

[dongonzalos]

They want a rent reduction, for free. They have zero entitlement to that, and it is in no way in ACL or the councils interest financially. Can you say why they should get a rent reduction? Because we got relegated and can no longer afford it? Yes, and whose fault was that, as Fisher himself has admitted? SISU! They are reaping what they sowed.

"Revenues we think the club should have"-yes, and you knew full well when you bought the club that it didn't have them, and how to get them-buy the stadium. That was SISU's stated intention. That they didn't is why we are still in this position-yet they cry like spoilt lickle babies that it's "unfair" and not their fault! It's nobody elses, is it? They blew it.

They are simply playing a PR game that nobody should swallow.

Halfway through catching up on this thread. Best summary of the situation in a nutshell I have read so far

 

[dongonzalos]

£300 to watch 3rd div football ! Bl**dy hell.!!!

Can I ask is that a reduction on last year? As the standard has dropped so I hope it is. otherwise that is another con

 

[dongonzalos]

I can fully understand the need and desire to play the blame game, to look backwards and point to errors and failures. But what progress will it bring? How will that stand the club in better shape?
There are no credible alternative to sisu, and they have run out of money and can't continue to find millions.
So I can see two alternatives - 1) the costs are cut to match the income, or 2) the club goes out of existence.

You may want option 2, and thats fair enough - it's a stance I can respect.
I want option 1) and the rent if not reduced will account for something like 20% or 25% of all costs (OSB might be able to calculate a more exact number). It must come down.

One thing nobody has raised on this forum is the fact that over the last 3 or 4 years the interest rates have come down a lot. This means that those who owns the stadium have had the chance of re-mortagaging and reduce the cost significantly. I would like to think that could be reflected in a new rent contract as a minimum, but as I said before - I would much rather the rent were based on actual attendance numbers and what league/cup match is played.

There was no viable alternative for Rangers till they were on the verge of liquidation.

There are no viable alternatives for any club till someone can get a bargain.

It would be nice if the council came out and said either way. If new owners came in and were roved that they are transparent and genuine business people. We would do business with them and they could have half the stadium. Or say 100% doesnt matter who it is they will never get half the stadium. If the first option is correct. You bet your bottom dollar there will be alternatives. Just because no one wants to do business with SISU does not mean there are not options. We just need admin or liquidation. Then someone if they know there is the possibility of doing business with the council will come in.

 

[dongonzalos]

Fans are being used by both sides to justify their arguments. I'm sick of councillors and SISU henchmen proclaiming about 'what's best for the fans' as a basis for their actions-the former are saying it to garner votes and the latter are using it to garner season ticket sales. In actual fact, their actions suggest it's their own interests their putting forward and that is causing the stumbling block.

I believe SISU are doiing this via blackmail. We cant give a budget until we get the rent reduced. So we the fans jump on the councils back. This is not correct. The budget can be given to AT based on current rent and increased if needs be. When have SISU cared about the fans we are just a handy tool at the moment to try and beat the council.

The council are saying they have to do what's right for the tax payer (not fans).

They are saying they will negotiate something regarding the rent if they see SISUs plans for the future and budgets.

Hopefully if they see that then we can see it aswell. We have been asking for their long term plan for the last 3 years and have never been told it

Do you honestly think this is unreasonable.

Imagine if the council slashed the rent or gave SISU some of the ground. Then SISU still liquadated the club in 6 months time. What would the tax payer say then

 

[dongonzalos]

How long did Fisher say it would take to get his answer from SISU for the budget? Anyone else think he already knew the answer before he even asked? And the next thing that happens is this game of bad PR chess where there can only be one loser-the fans of CCFC. I'd say that pretty much confirms that the SISU answer was an overwhelming "no"!

No time frame was given. Even though he made a quote about doing this months ago.
He could have requested 2 budgets 1 if we stay up 1 if we go down.

Also how are we offering players contracts when we dont know what our budget is. If SISU come back and say there is no budget how do we pay Cranie. Why is he going to sign a new contract when we dont know if we have a budget to pay him yet.

There is bullshit somewhere either we have a budget and he has been told that and that is why he will sign

Or offering him a contract is bullshit to sell season tickets.

 

[ccfcno9]

i wasnt expecting anything good this season when i brought my season ticket either also i go to away games does that make me double the fan you are ?? no !!! a fan is somebody that supports the team home or away and if its down to money it costs a damn site more to go to away games aswell !! a fan can be on the other side of the world but in your eyes because he doesnt go to home games he isnt a fan what about people that can not afford to go aswell or are to old ??? guess they are not fans either :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:[/QUsOTE]
I think you may have missed my point. Anyone can be a fan or as passionate about the club as me or you for that matter but for the survival of the club its needs to have paying customers thats what make us more important at this moment in time IMO. Obviously for the fans who cannot do this for credible reasons(logistical,financial) I think no less of, but those who use the excuse of the team not measuring up to their own expectations or because of the who manager/owners may be, are not the best supporters IMO.

 

[Puck]

i wasnt expecting anything good this season when i brought my season ticket either also i go to away games does that make me double the fan you are ?? no !!! a fan is somebody that supports the team home or away and if its down to money it costs a damn site more to go to away games aswell !! a fan can be on the other side of the world but in your eyes because he doesnt go to home games he isnt a fan what about people that can not afford to go aswell or are to old ??? guess they are not fans either :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:[/QUsOTE]
I think you may have missed my point. Anyone can be a fan or as passionate about the club as me or you for that matter but for the survival of the club its needs to have paying customers thats what make us more important at this moment in time IMO. Obviously for the fans who cannot do this for credible reasons(logistical,financial) I think no less of, but those who use the excuse of the team not measuring up to their own expectations or because of the who manager/owners may be, are not the best supporters IMO.

Maybe you could replace the word "excuse" with reason.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I believe SISU are doiing this via blackmail. We cant give a budget until we get the rent reduced. So we the fans jump on the councils back. This is not correct. The budget can be given to AT based on current rent and increased if needs be. When have SISU cared about the fans we are just a handy tool at the moment to try and beat the council.

The council are saying they have to do what's right for the tax payer (not fans).

They are saying they will negotiate something regarding the rent if they see SISUs plans for the future and budgets.

Hopefully if they see that then we can see it aswell. We have been asking for their long term plan for the last 3 years and have never been told it

Do you honestly think this is unreasonable.

Imagine if the council slashed the rent or gave SISU some of the ground. Then SISU still liquadated the club in 6 months time. What would the tax payer say then

I don't disagree, but Mutton's quotes appeared right in the build up to election time and were unprofessional. Now with the elections done I hope people keep quiet in public until real progress has been made.