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Terry_dactyl

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #281
sylus said:
We seriously cannot sell cal, he is the heart of our side, if he does go, who replaces him or do we change formation to accommodate his loss which i doubt very much.
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I’ll be ok with it if we were to sign those two lads from Derby.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #282
alexccfc99 said:
If they’ve made an acceptable offer so be it - I fully believe Robins is getting the final say on transfers and will get a good chunk of any monies in on buying a replacement
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I don't really get this logic. If the club need a sale then that in itself probably indicates he doesn't have the final say, certainly not in this scenario anyway.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #283
It’s not selling star names gone on for years it’s timing and how much Joy allows from any fee for Robins to use in the transfer market my betting it will be very little, also O’Hare is a fundamental part of our team, plays every week, in the faces of the opposition keeping them occupied sometimes a couple at a time, creating space for Gyorkeres, loves the club, loved by the fans, yes his final product could be better, I think that will improve now we have Kasey Palmer he has a better player, left sided too (I think) to partner up to too giving us balance, that will come, if we want to challenge in my opinion he’s a must to stay.One day he probably will be sold on if he starts adding goals to his game it could be for big money.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #284
sylus said:
We seriously cannot sell cal, he is the heart of our side, if he does go, who replaces him or do we change formation to accommodate his loss which i doubt very much.
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Although I feel like this, the more I have thought about it, it is as much down to his infectious 'upbeat' personality as it is his football ability. Fans can associate / engage with his enthusiasm, rather than an equally effective player who has a (let's pick on Todd Kane) less upbeat personality. The other bit I'd be concerned about is the effect on the overall mood of the team - he must be so much fun to be around during training etc !
 
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SkyBlue_Adam

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #285
Skybluebeliever said:
Think the club are ensuring they are keeping all options alive , this will be one , probably not the chosen one though
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Assuming Hamer is the preferred one, does that not drive a higher price for O'Hare? Burnley will want to snap him up quickly before we can agree any deal to sell Hamer.
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #286
He's not going anywhere, neither is Hamer or Gyokeres. Its just the typical rumor mill.

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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #287
SkyBlueMatt said:
He's not going anywhere, neither is Hamer or Gyokeres. Its just the typical rumor mill.

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I think the club have been open and the same noises from @Skybluebeliever who is close to the club that it’s likely we have to sell a player for a big fee this summer
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #288
If we sell for a huge sum of over 10 mill atleast that will shut up people on here that think our top players are worth fuck all .. honestly the amount some people put our own players down is astonishing , they will watch shite players sell for more then say " ours aren't worth that "

Bore off
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #289
SlowerThanPlatt said:
I think the club have been open and the same noises from @Skybluebeliever who is close to the club that it’s likely we have to sell a player for a big fee this summer
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It's also basic common sense.

The club hasn't received a significant windfall from either a player sale or a sell on clause since Wilson was sold to Bournemouth. The last significant player sale was McCallum back in 2020.

Given it's how it's part of the club's strategy to be reliant on revenue earned from player trading quite obvious the club needs a sale this summer - especially when loans, interest and increased operating costs need to be covered.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #290
SkyBlueMatt said:
He's not going anywhere, neither is Hamer or Gyokeres. Its just the typical rumor mill.

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I don't think this one is tbh
 

slowpoke

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #291
Hamer is another similar to O’Hare but with him should he move on it could be a lower end Premiership outfit but I have always thought he could go abroad Germany perhaps then there’s the Giovanni van Bronckhorst connection at Rangers, champions league and all that but just as with CoH if we want to seriously challenge and I believe we can we have to keep him, with O’Hare, Palmer the underrated Ben Sheaf and possibly Eccles too our midfield options are so much stronger than last season. We have potentially a very strong side. As said lot of rumour & speculation I’m banking on it’s just that.
 

ms639

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #292
Going to be a hugely unpopular opinion but for longevity purposes I would much rather see him go now for 10-12 mill than next season for 3-5 because he has no time left on his contract. We’ve seen in this league that far too many clubs manage their finances unsustainably and frankly our model is to find gems, develop them and then make significant money. I think this one may well happen but I think in the long run it’ll be good for us. That being said it has shades of when mcsheffrey went to brum, will also be sad to see him go.


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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #293
slowpoke said:
Hamer is another similar to O’Hare but with him should he move on it could be a lower end Premiership outfit but I have always thought he could go abroad Germany perhaps then there’s the Giovanni van Bronckhorst connection at Rangers, champions league and all that but just as with CoH if we want to seriously challenge and I believe we can we have to keep him, with O’Hare, Palmer the underrated Ben Sheaf and possibly Eccles too our midfield options are so much stronger than last season. We have potentially a very strong side. As said lot of rumour & speculation I’m banking on it’s just that.
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I think we'd need a replacement , cal offers something that not many clubs have , and that's the ability to press for 90/100/120 minutes if required across the front line and midfield .. add the technical ability it's a big loss if he goes
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #294
Evo1883 said:
If we sell for a huge sum of over 10 mill atleast that will shut up people on here that think our top players are worth fuck all .. honestly the amount some people put our own players down is astonishing , they will watch shite players sell for more then say " ours aren't worth that "

Bore off
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Is anyone really saying our top players are worth fuck all?

Most posts I've seen are fairly measured and simply pose the question which most are conveniently ignoring: If our players are that in demand then why hasn't the club already received bids of £10m+?

Either the club have inadvertently priced themselves out of sales by attaching over-inflated price tags onto their prized assets thinking clubs will bite and will therefore have to reassess. Or a club will eventually match their demands for one of the three.

I think everyone would agree that hopefully it's the latter.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #295
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Is anyone really saying our top players are worth fuck all?

Most posts I've seen are fairly measured and simply pose the question which most are conveniently ignoring: If our players are that in demand then why hasn't the club already received bids of £10m+?

Either the club have inadvertently priced themselves out of sales by attaching over-inflated price tags onto their prized assets thinking clubs will bite and will therefore have to reassess. Or a club will eventually match their demands for one of the three.

I think everyone would agree that hopefully it's the latter.
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I've seen a couple posters say our players are not worth what we think. Then will talk about worse players who moved in the past for more ,the same posters usually have very little good to say about anything tbh .

Fact is , some of our players are worth MORE than they think , not the other way round
 
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Northeast sky blue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #296
Could the rumours be true, Hamer and O'Hare to go and replaced by Bird and Sibley
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #297
Evo1883 said:
Nonsense , I've seen a couple posters say our players are not worth what we think. Then will talk about worse players who moved in the past for more ,the same posters usually have very little good to say about anything tbh .
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I'm in agreement with those posters. I personally don't think we're going to receive eight figure bids for either Hamer or O'Hare.

Clubs that were previously linked with the above have seemingly moved onto other targets, or have submitted bids well below the asking price, suggesting that they clearly thought/think both players aren't worth what the club are quoting.

The fact the club primarily wanted to sell Hamer but now are listening to offers for all players probably supports that point as well.

Things may change later on in the window but currently I wouldn't exactly say it's looking hopeful.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #298
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
I'm in agreement with those posters. I personally don't think we're going to receive eight figure bids for either Hamer or O'Hare.

Clubs that were previously linked with the above have seemingly moved onto other targets, or have submitted bids well below the asking price, suggesting that they clearly thought/think both players aren't worth what the club are quoting.

The fact the club primarily wanted to sell Hamer but now are listening to offers for all players probably supports that point as well.

Things may change later on in the window but currently I wouldn't exactly say it's looking hopeful.
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I dont think posters on here know tbh .. they like to think they do but they don't.

O hare we've pushed 2 bids back by all accounts, if that's true and they come again with a great offer that would tell you that infact SBT knows very little and that the club are the ones who will do the valuations not people on here
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #299
I'd much rather we get as much as possible for players.

If that means we get £50m then so be it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #300
ms639 said:
Going to be a hugely unpopular opinion but for longevity purposes I would much rather see him go now for 10-12 mill than next season for 3-5 because he has no time left on his contract. We’ve seen in this league that far too many clubs manage their finances unsustainably and frankly our model is to find gems, develop them and then make significant money. I think this one may well happen but I think in the long run it’ll be good for us. That being said it has shades of when mcsheffrey went to brum, will also be sad to see him go.


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What we really want is a bidding war, not for just one club to be interested. If any of those 3 players have a barnstorming season that's what we'll get. Equally if they have damp squibs we lose out-it's a tough one to call.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #301
Nick said:
I'd much rather we get as much as possible for players.

If that means we get £50m then so be it.
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I agree , but the idea that a club like us that supposedly needs money is over valuing its prized assets is nonsense , when infact it's other clubs thinking they can take the piss out of us because we are little old coventry
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #302
Evo1883 said:
I agree , but the idea that a club like us that supposedly needs money is over valuing its prized assets is nonsense , when infact it's other clubs thinking they can take the piss out of us because we are little old coventry
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The more skint you are the less they think it takes to nab your best players.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #303
OK my opinion is this is the real deal and he may well be off , hope not but if the money is good then we can't say no
 

edgy

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #304
All these arguements or "facts" (as some like to call their assumptions) on player value are irrelevant really. Any transfer fee will be undisclosed.

So, some will claim we accepted a paltry below par/value bid as FACT.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #305
Only thing that worries me is the rumours their first bids were insultingly low (I’m assuming < £4m), I can’t see them then coming back with £10m.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #306
edgy said:
All these arguements or "facts" (as some like to call their assumptions) on player value are irrelevant really. Any transfer fee will be undisclosed.

So, some will claim we accepted a paltry below par/value bid as FACT.
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The proof will be in who we replace any departing player with.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #307
Evo1883 said:
I dont think posters on here know tbh .. they like to think they do but they don't.

O hare we've pushed 2 bids back by all accounts, if that's true and they come again with a great offer that would tell you that infact SBT knows very little and that the club are the ones who will do the valuations not people on here
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Of course we don't, it's all entirely conjecture and rumour anyway. But if you do take the reports at face value, you do have to wonder what the club's strategy is going to be if it's looking like clubs aren't going to match their demands.

Again it's rumour but the bids for O'Hare were pretty menial by all accounts. Whether that's true or not again remains to be seen if it is, it's unlikely Burnley are going to suddenly come back and slap £10m on the table.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #308
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The proof will be in who we replace any departing player with.
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My worry is that even if we were to get 10 mill , we won't get to spend even 20% of that money
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #309
edgy said:
All these arguements or "facts" (as some like to call their assumptions) on player value are irrelevant really. Any transfer fee will be undisclosed.

So, some will claim we accepted a paltry below par/value bid as FACT.
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Most fees of that size are leaked to the press though.

Claiming "oh we don't know the exact fee because it's disclosed" is a pretty weak arguement.
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #310
ms639 said:
Going to be a hugely unpopular opinion but for longevity purposes I would much rather see him go now for 10-12 mill than next season for 3-5 because he has no time left on his contract. We’ve seen in this league that far too many clubs manage their finances unsustainably and frankly our model is to find gems, develop them and then make significant money. I think this one may well happen but I think in the long run it’ll be good for us. That being said it has shades of when mcsheffrey went to brum, will also be sad to see him go.


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........ but you don't know if 10-12m has been offered. It could be as likely that 3-5m is what has so far been offered. I think most of us would reluctantly accept if a sale is made for over 10m but anything less I would like to see us hold on. I don't necessarily buy into your point on contract length negatively affecting O'Hares price either. If he scores the goals in the coming season that he should have done last season then I can only see his value increasing.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #311
O hare you are almost guaranteed a player that will play a full season , his injury record considering his playstyle and the amount he is fouled is astonishing
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #312
Evo1883 said:
My worry is that even if we were to get 10 mill , we won't get to spend even 20% of that money
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It depends really. How much SISU extract to pay the interest, when the EFL loan is due and whether it will be paid in full or in blocks (I think it was repayable within 3 years but I can't quite remember the parameters), how much the club needs to cover operating costs and wages, how much the instalments are for Sheaf and Gyokeres, whether the club plans for any more "unforeseen costs" this season, or whether they'll want capital in the bank to mitigate against cashflow problems.

It's pretty intangible. As BSB says though, I think the primary indicator will be with who we replace the departing player with.
 

edgy

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #313
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Most fees of that size are leaked to the press though.

Claiming "oh we don't know the exact fee because it's disclosed" is a pretty weak arguement.
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I'm not arguing anything. Like I said, arguing over what a player is worth or what a transfer fee actually was, is futile. Either side of the arguement can twist it to suit their narratrive, but it's all conjecture. Trusting what Jonny McAnchorman says the transfer fee is, is also pretty niave.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #314
Thought that EFL loan was interest free
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 14, 2022
  • #315
edgy said:
I'm not arguing anything. Like I said, arguing over what a player is worth or what a transfer fee actually was, is futile. Either side of the arguement can twist it to suit their narratrive, but it's all conjecture. Trusting what Jonny McAnchorman says the transfer fee is, is also pretty niave.
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True, but if anything most of the time transfer fees are often inflated in the press rather than undervalued. So for instance the purported fee in the press will often include the add-ons as the total fee when in reality it's actually X rising to Y if all clauses are met.
 
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