Yes fair enough. Though most of those cost nowhere near what was claimed - Clarke Harris was £125k
The season we sold mcnulty we made £5 million profits on player sales
No and it’s similar language but from the opposite perspective. Not sure how desperate as opposed to not sure how possible it will be not to sell. Only those who ain’t sharing that information are truly aware I would suggest. The rest is hearsayAre you allowed to disclose who you were told by Pete?
The buyers want to buy the player, we want to sell the player. You can just flip your argument around and say we could talk to other buyers or wait until the next window. Its also not important whether that’s true, it’s important whether they think it’s true
Well at least one could work out the cost and benefit to selling and not selling. Unless anyone can cover our shortfall with cheaper finance I suppose we are where we are, not that anyone needs to be happy or content with it. Robins seems cool thoughI think another 17% loan will cover the difference
The £5 million profit was part of that from Maddison and Wilson add ons or new players sold , I’m unsure if the accounts split out the differenceYes fair enough. Though most of those cost nowhere near what was claimed - Clarke Harris was £125k
The season we sold mcnulty we made £5 million profits on player sales
No, I'd imagine all of those fees combined would've come to around £600K give or take.
Then you have to factor in the £1.6m extraction from SISU and what would've been used to cover operational costs.
With all transfers paid in instalments I'd imagine the fees also played a part in bridging the gap in income caused from our move to St. Andrews.
I'm no financial expert, not even close. But wouldn't paying 17% interest be preferable when your assets return of interest is roughly in the 1000%?I think another 17% loan will cover the difference
Do you ever stop and calculate how many times your pessimism has been proved rightI think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity
Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else
The £5 million profit was part of that from Maddison and Wilson add ons or new players sold , I’m unsure if the accounts split out the difference
I'm no financial expert, not even close. But wouldn't paying 17% interest be preferable when your assets return of interest is roughly in the 1000%?
I'd rather pay back 17% while my original investment keeps multiplying. The 3 million we invested in Hamer, Gyokeres, O'hare and Sheaf is currently worth 30million.....and rising?
That’s interesting it’s not what I’ve been told but I suppose ‘not sure’ covers the difference
What have you been told then? As I find it difficult to believe anyone from the club would openly disclose confidential and sensitive financial information to the average fan.
Well you would think they wouldn't want someone giving away inside transfer information either but here we are
How on earth do you knowWell you can't flip the arguement because there aren't presently other buyers that would pay what the club is asking.
The owners can cover it with cheaper finance Pete, there's no reason they need to keep adding to the debt with high interest costs. They don't want to as they don't want any third party having a possible claim on the club. You've posted before that you've been told that the owners want the interest to be loaded on as it means they can secure their investment, which is an odd claim as it's no more secure whether the interest is at 3% or 50%.Well at least one could work out the cost and benefit to selling and not selling. Unless anyone can cover our shortfall with cheaper finance I suppose we are where we are, not that anyone needs to be happy or content with it. Robins seems cool though
How on earth do you know
All ridiculous conjecture and you have no ideaI think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity
Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else
Why? The windows not over yet? How do you know what’s been offered and how close it is? How do you know clubs aren’t willing to pay our valuation?Funnily enough because if there was O'Hare would be gone by now?
Pure and simple.No and it’s similar language but from the opposite perspective. Not sure how desperate as opposed to not sure how possible it will be not to sell. Only those who ain’t sharing that information are truly aware I would suggest. The rest is hearsay
True. But I doubt SBB is an average fan and would have access to such information.
He's clearly very close to the club, rather than BD for instance who quite obviously formerly had connections to a particular player.
Any notion that similar information would be shared with a fan is pretty ridiculous.
Presumably the finance they supply is money from their fund and as they need to offer their investors a high interest rate the interest we pay reflects that.The owners can cover it with cheaper finance Pete, there's no reason they need to keep adding to the debt with high interest costs. They don't want to as they don't want any third party having a possible claim on the club. You've posted before that you've been told that the owners want the interest to be loaded on as it means they can secure their investment, which is an odd claim as it's no more secure whether the interest is at 3% or 50%.
You like to believe the best in people Pete, but I think you need to be a bit more sceptical about what you're hearing on occasion.
Why? The windows not over yet? How do you know what’s been offered and how close it is? How do you know clubs aren’t willing to pay our valuation?
Or more likely that’s the contract they were able to get the player and agent to agree to.I think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity
Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else
I'm in the minority but the O'Hare deal falling through I didn't see as a positive. Good to hear we aren't rolling over but SBB has said repeatedly we need to sell one this summer. Would much prefer O'Hare gone as opposed to Hamer or Vik. Hope Burnley come back once Cornet or McNeill are sold. The sooner the better for me so Robins can adapt the squad.I’m not sure the it can be kicked as far as January to be honest , think it could be more immediate than that
I'm in the minority but the O'Hare deal falling through I didn't see as a positive. Good to hear we aren't rolling over but SBB has said repeatedly we need to sell one this summer. Would much prefer O'Hare gone as opposed to Hamer or Vik. Hope Burnley come back once Cornet or McNeill are sold. The sooner the better for me so Robins can adapt the squad.
Yet no one seems interested in buying hamer
All ridiculous conjecture and you have no idea
If we take the last fee it will inevitably be lower as we start to panic
I think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity
Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else
No reason to on this occasion as they’ve been absolutely bang on although it helps it’s mostly it’s not player sales or purchases etcThe owners can cover it with cheaper finance Pete, there's no reason they need to keep adding to the debt with high interest costs. They don't want to as they don't want any third party having a possible claim on the club. You've posted before that you've been told that the owners want the interest to be loaded on as it means they can secure their investment, which is an odd claim as it's no more secure whether the interest is at 3% or 50%.
You like to believe the best in people Pete, but I think you need to be a bit more sceptical about what you're hearing on occasion.
I think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity
Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else
Not sure there is a need for all the pessimistic self hating nature of some of these comments!!!!
We might sell Moore and keep the big 3 until next summer at least. SISU are well capable of taking a strategic decision.
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