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Greggs

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  • Jul 22, 2022
  • #2,276
Hutch11 said:
Someone on twitter with 45 followers claiming Fulham now offering up to 13 Mill for o hare.

@Greggs ?
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Check my numbers mate, I ain't no amateur.......
 
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Johhny Blue

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,277
Seaside-Skyblue said:
O'Hare trying to convince Dabo to join him at Burnley in disguise by talking in Spanish.

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Or they’re both off to Real Madrid
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,278
Colin Steins Smile said:
This story is fast moving for Burnley. They’ve just taken the next three instalments on Popes transfer fee from MacCrorie Bank, which is the equivalent of a payday loan.
Today, they’ve pulled out of a transfer for an Anderlecht player and the remainder of the £65m loan is payable at circa 10%.
If they don’t get straight back to the PL … life could get very “interesting “ for them
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Not the equivalent of a payday loan. Invoice financing very common across many industries
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,279
robbiekeane said:
Not the equivalent of a payday loan. Invoice financing very common across many industries
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There is some equivalence. They've basically got someone to give them the money now (at a cost) intending to pay it back when they actually get paid.
 
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Skybluebeliever

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,280
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
There is some equivalence. They've basically got someone to give them the money now (at a cost) intending to pay it back when they actually get paid.
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This is now a normal in most transactions , clubs pay very little up front for a player , the selling club then agree to pay over 3/5years often back ended , the buying club then go and forward finance against this agreement , the selling club will often pay the fees associated to get the loan for the buying club
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,281
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
There is some equivalence. They've basically got someone to give them the money now (at a cost) intending to pay it back when they actually get paid.
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No. One is an unsecured high interest predatory loan for people with poor credit and in the shit with no options.

The other is selling future invoices/contracted payments for a discount to increase available cash which is a very common financial instrument inside and outside of football.

They are not the same thing
 
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Skybluebeliever

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,282
Grendel said:
If we don’t sell we kick the can until January and then sell but we sell at refined rates or hope Gyokeres hits the ground running and sell him
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I’m not sure the it can be kicked as far as January to be honest , think it could be more immediate than that
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,283
Skybluebeliever said:
I’m not sure the it can be kicked as far as January to be honest , think it could be more immediate than that
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That’s concerning to say the least - if we’re not careful we’ll end up selling for a reduced rate as we get desperate.
It looks like the ‘hindsight brigade’ may have been a little premature this time.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,284
Skybluebeliever said:
I’m not sure the it can be kicked as far as January to be honest , think it could be more immediate than that
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How utterly depressing.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,285
Skybluebeliever said:
I’m not sure the it can be kicked as far as January to be honest , think it could be more immediate than that
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Uplifting stuff.

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letsallsingtogether

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,286
Nick said:
Who cares?
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Obviously not Joy her type of man.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,287
Skybluebeliever said:
I’m not sure the it can be kicked as far as January to be honest , think it could be more immediate than that
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Surely not - we can play hardball and not sell at all I thought
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,288


Boddy off again to find some takers
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,289
Skybluebeliever said:
I’m not sure the it can be kicked as far as January to be honest , think it could be more immediate than that
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What's the club's strategy with the remaining key players going into the final year of their contracts next summer? Assuming they don't sign new deals I assume the club have to look to sell one in January to ensure both don't go for cut price deals?

I noticed buying clubs are taking advantage of that now more than ever in this window. Bournemouth for instance reportedly tabled just a £1m bid for Josh Bowler a few weeks ago, despite submitting a £3m bid in January, and there are reports Blackpool would accept just £2m.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,290
Bit surprised at the ITK's access to the precise details of our financial situation. i also find it odd that if things are so precarious we are still able to take on salaries like Kasey Palmer's, secure PL loans and increase other players contracts etc. Time will tell, I guess. Hopefully a bit of TTV coverage and increased gates may help. Love to be a fly on the wall.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,291
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Bit surprised at the ITK's access to the precise details of our financial situation. i also find it odd that if things are so precarious we are still able to take on salaries like Kasey Palmer's, secure PL loans and increase other players contracts etc. Time will tell, I guess. Hopefully abit of TTV coverage and increased gates may help. Love to be a fly on the wall.
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Is it that precise? All that's really been repeated is that the club needs a sale this summer.

I wouldn't read too much into the signings either. I'd imagine a proportion of Palmer's wages would've been covered by the exits of Shipley + fee, Drysdale + fee, Pask and Jones. Despite the rumours we certainly won't be matching his wages at Bristol.

If anything the fact that other than Palmer we only seem to be signing loans, despite Boddy claiming the club is trying to distance itself from that market, is pretty telling.

The exits of JCS, Maatsen and Dacosta (albeit we'll still be paying the majority of his wages) probably would've more than facilitated the signings of Panzo and Doyle.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,292
Wait so Andy Turner was wrong again?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,293
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Bit surprised at the ITK's access to the precise details of our financial situation. i also find it odd that if things are so precarious we are still able to take on salaries like Kasey Palmer's, secure PL loans and increase other players contracts etc. Time will tell, I guess. Hopefully abit of TTV coverage and increased gates may help. Love to be a fly on the wall.
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The calcs are pretty straightforward- we will just about cover wages on a 20,000 crowd and there are other costs of circa £5 million - so we need a sale in that region to prevent issues
 
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Skybluebeliever

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,294
Grendel said:
Our profit on player sales in the last published accounts was £2 million versus nearly £4 million the year before - our gross wage bill was £13 million against turnover of £11 million - remember the structure of past deals from McCallum Wilson and Maddison have contributed to the accounts for several years. Unless Maddison is sold on again that well is now dry

We now have a black hole of turnover against wages alone of at least £5 million per annum as well as all other costs - there’s no magic money tree under the owners as they freely admit
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I’m unsure we have benefited much from McCallum the same as Bayliss and McNulty , they have not kicked on with their clubs triggering further payments

Really Wilson and Maddison have been crucial ,the fact they are in the premiership and played for England since leaving has resulted in continuous income for the club
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2022
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Skybluebeliever said:
I’m unsure we have benefited much from McCallum the same as Bayliss and McNulty , they have not kicked on with their clubs triggering further payments

Really Wilson and Maddison have been crucial ,the fact they are in the premiership and played for England since leaving has resulted in continuous income for the club
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Yes fair point - McCallum was not the £3 million fee nothing like it - from what I see it’s something like £750k upfront.

I assume the mcnulty upfront was around a million and paid easily for godden
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,296
Grendel said:
Surely not - we can play hardball and not sell at all I thought
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Well would you prefer they just bend over and take the first offer?

If only we had master negotiator grendel in charge of the sales
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,297
Grendel said:
Yes fair point - McCallum was not the £3 million fee nothing like it - from what I see it’s something like £750k upfront.

I assume the mcnulty upfront was around a million and paid easily for godden
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McNulty was sold a year prior to Godden being brought in.

I'd imagine his fee would've been used for Chaplin, Hiwula, Bakayoko and JCH.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,298
robbiekeane said:
Well would you prefer they just bend over and take the first offer?

If only we had master negotiator grendel in charge of the sales
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If we take the last fee it will inevitably be lower as we start to panic
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,299
Grendel said:
If we take the last fee it will inevitably be lower as we start to panic
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time also puts pressure on the buyers too
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,300
robbiekeane said:
time also puts pressure on the buyers too
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Not really. If push comes to shove they'll just look elsewhere or settle with what they currently have and see what options become available in the next window.

The club seemingly doesn't have the luxury of that kind of flexibility.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,301
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
McNulty was sold a year prior to Godden being brought in.

I'd imagine his fee would've been used for Chaplin, Hiwula, Bakayoko and JCH.
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Yes fair enough. Though most of those cost nowhere near what was claimed - Clarke Harris was £125k

The season we sold mcnulty we made £5 million profits on player sales
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,302
robbiekeane said:
time also puts pressure on the buyers too
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It’s a buyers market I don’t think clubs are that desperate to buy as we have no stand outs other than Gyokeres I guess
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,303
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Not really. If push comes to shove they'll just look elsewhere or settle with what they currently have and see what options become available in the next window.

The club seemingly doesn't have the luxury of that kind of flexibility.
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The buyers want to buy the player, we want to sell the player. You can just flip your argument around and say we could talk to other buyers or wait until the next window. Its also not important whether that’s true, it’s important whether they think it’s true
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,304
Grendel said:
It’s a buyers market I don’t think clubs are that desperate to buy as we have no stand outs other than Gyokeres I guess
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What seems clear is it’s a question of cash flow at the Burnley end and at ours since we need it all in one and they‘re either unable or unwilling to go with it.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,305
Grendel said:
It’s a buyers market I don’t think clubs are that desperate to buy as we have no stand outs other than Gyokeres I guess
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The truth is we have no idea who is interested and who is not.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,306
robbiekeane said:
The truth is we have no idea who is interested and who is not.
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We do know we can’t afford not to sell or we have to take extra loans out

We also won’t know until the next series of accounts (we won’t even know then fully) the amount we actually get for the sold player

As stated the fee for McCallum was nothing like the quoted amount at all. Maddison and Wilson have kept the club going by the way the deals were constructed - Boddy is no Chris Anderson - he’s not even a Steve Waggott
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,307
Skybluebeliever said:
I’m not sure the it can be kicked as far as January to be honest , think it could be more immediate than that
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That’s interesting it’s not what I’ve been told but I suppose ‘not sure’ covers the difference
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,308
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s interesting it’s not what I’ve been told but I suppose ‘not sure’ covers the difference
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Are you allowed to disclose who you were told by Pete?
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,309
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s interesting it’s not what I’ve been told but I suppose ‘not sure’ covers the difference
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I think another 17% loan will cover the difference
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2022
  • #2,310
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Are you allowed to disclose who you were told by Pete?
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