O hare doesn’t flatter to deceive (2 Viewers)

Yorkshire SB · Dec 12, 2021

O’Hare set sets the tone for how we play, vital for us. If we dropped him, we’d be worse. Other teams are terrified of him as well, he’s always got 1 or 2 players on him.

Should be scoring more, no doubt about that. Frustrating for us and I’m sure for him.

Don’t mean to patronise, but if you can’t see the value he brings and how good he is, you need to watch him properly, or learn more about football.

larry_david · Dec 12, 2021

I can't imagine anyone's terrified of him. Sorry but he's not quick, he's not strong, he looks to go down at any opportunity. He now doesn't even run at players, he was hiding on the wing yesterday getting in kanes way second half.

He needs to be 'rested'. Everyone saying he sets the tone, we'd be different without him etc, we're a progressive football squad, you find a way to adapt as you go

Yorkshire SB · Dec 12, 2021

larry_david said:
I can't imagine anyone's terrified of him. Sorry but he's not quick, he's not strong, he looks to go down at any opportunity. He now doesn't even run at players, he was hiding on the wing yesterday getting in kanes way second half.

He needs to be 'rested'. Everyone saying he sets the tone, we'd be different without him etc, we're a progressive football squad, you find a way to adapt as you go

Disagree, part of the reason he’s finding it harder is because the other team focus on him defensively. Allen afforded load of space in this game, and in other games, because of it.

Live nearby and went with Huddersfield fans who said he looked a ‘right handful’. We are just used to it.

Perryccfc · Dec 12, 2021

Every game we play, opposition fans seem to highlight him. I think his performances have dropped but he’s still a danger. His first touch frustrated me yesterday and we definitely need competition for him, but would still always have him in the starting 11 when fit. He must be a nightmare to play against.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 12, 2021

He does worry defenders but you do wonder if that might eventually change and they realise that his final ball/shot is not very good so just let him have the ball and wait for him to waste it.

stevefloyd · Dec 12, 2021

Can't wait to see who we slate next week last week it was Sheaf but he's earned a temporary reprieve, this week its been O'Hare, Dabo and Kelly

fernandopartridge · Dec 12, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
He does worry defenders but you do wonder if that might eventually change and they realise that his final ball/shot is not very good so just let him have the ball and wait for him to waste it.

What a ridiculous post

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 12, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
What a ridiculous post

There has to be a point where you realise fouling him and giving him the free kick is more likely to cause you problems that letting him shoot or create a chance.

I'm not saying they're going to ignore, just change the tactic from getting players on him and committing the foul to just have one player on him and not fouling him.

Be honest, when you see it's O'Hare with the chance do you think we'll get a goal or do you expect it to come to nothing?

cc84cov · Dec 12, 2021

Yorkshire SB said:
O’Hare set sets the tone for how we play, vital for us. If we dropped him, we’d be worse. Other teams are terrified of him as well, he’s always got 1 or 2 players on him.

Should be scoring more, no doubt about that. Frustrating for us and I’m sure for him.

Don’t mean to patronise, but if you can’t see the value he brings and how good he is, you need to watch him properly, or learn more about football.

“Terrified”

cc84cov · Dec 12, 2021

If Jones carries on like that O’Hare will have stiff competition

Ccfcisparks · Dec 12, 2021

cc84cov said:
If Jones carries on like that O’Hare will have stiff competition

What utter bollocks

Deleted member 9744 · Dec 12, 2021

Ccfcisparks said:
What utter bollocks

It really isn't. It's all down to Jones' fitness.

Ccfcisparks · Dec 12, 2021

Deleted member 9744 said:
It really isn't. It's all down to Jones' fitness.

It is. The gap between them both is astronomical.

larry_david · Dec 12, 2021

Ccfcisparks said:
It is. The gap between them both is astronomical.

Jones can kick a ball properly to start with

fernandopartridge · Dec 12, 2021

larry_david said:
Jones can kick a ball properly to start with

Are you suggesting that O'Hare can't kick a ball properly?

Deleted member 9744 · Dec 12, 2021

Ccfcisparks said:
It is. The gap between them both is astronomical.

In terms of natural talent i don't think so, but it's just an opinion.

Still think we need to flog Godden in January?

Marty · Dec 12, 2021

Deleted member 9744 said:
It really isn't. It's all down to Jones' fitness.

I don't think Jones is right in the head yet, he pulled out of everything yesterday (completely understand why), if we're chasing a game and the opposition are sitting back, it suits him, but I don't want him to start as I think the game will pass him by. Maybe he just needs to get clattered a couple of times.

procdoc · Dec 12, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
There has to be a point where you realise fouling him and giving him the free kick is more likely to cause you problems that letting him shoot or create a chance.

I'm not saying they're going to ignore, just change the tactic from getting players on him and committing the foul to just have one player on him and not fouling him.

Be honest, when you see it's O'Hare with the chance do you think we'll get a goal or do you expect it to come to nothing?

No team in the world let’s the opposition have time to have shots or pick a pass on the assumption they will waste the ball. Ludicrous statement

procdoc · Dec 12, 2021

Some utter garbage viewpoints on here, the lack of knowledge about the game is frightening!

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 12, 2021

procdoc said:
No team in the world let’s the opposition have time to have shots or pick a pass on the assumption they will waste the ball. Ludicrous statement

Spot the odd one out

Dabo is worth a try in attacking midfield
Dabo at CB on merit
Dabo would be a good fit at CDM
Sell Godden in January
Austrian Covid rules are 'like Hitler never left'
Opposition teams will let O'Hare shoot because it's less dangerous
O'Hare should be loaned out in January
Wilson isn't saving enough penalties
Shouldn't sign Sheaf because he smiled in an Arsenal training session
Biamou is the best athlete at the club

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 12, 2021

procdoc said:
No team in the world let’s the opposition have time to have shots or pick a pass on the assumption they will waste the ball. Ludicrous statement

Teams put together tactics involving fouling people, thus giving the opposition an opportunity from the set play. They decide the set play is less dangerous than letting the player play.

I'm not saying they'll just let him waltz through and have a shot, just they'll be less frightened to let him do that than fouling him, which is what they do now. So rather than just clattering him first opportunity they'll just stay close and try to prevent him shooting instead.

procdoc · Dec 12, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Teams put together tactics involving fouling people, thus giving the opposition an opportunity from the set play. They decide the set play is less dangerous than letting the player play.

I'm not saying they'll just let him waltz through and have a shot, just they'll be less frightened to let him do that than fouling him, which is what they do now. So rather than just clattering him first opportunity they'll just stay close and try to prevent him shooting instead.

They don’t always set out to deliberately foul someone. O’Hare happens to be good at winning free kicks because he is agile and has speed of thought to put his body in a position to drawer the foul. Do you know anything about how football actually works?

procdoc · Dec 12, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Spot the odd one out

Dabo is worth a try in attacking midfield
Dabo at CB on merit
Dabo would be a good fit at CDM
Sell Godden in January
Austrian Covid rules are 'like Hitler never left'
Opposition teams will let O'Hare shoot because it's less dangerous
O'Hare should be loaned out in January
Wilson isn't saving enough penalties
Shouldn't sign Sheaf because he smiled in an Arsenal training session
Biamou is the best athlete at the club

You need to add:
we should replace Robins with Kenny Jackett
Robins shits himself at this level
Godden wouldn’t get in any other championship team
Simon Moore is useless (before he’d ever played for us)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 12, 2021

procdoc said:
They don’t always set out to deliberately foul someone. O’Hare happens to be good at winning free kicks because he is agile and has speed of thought to put his body in a position to drawer the foul. Do you know anything about how football actually works?

So rather than being close enough to draw the foul they'll stay a step back so he can't. Are you saying this season there haven't been teams deliberately setting out to foul him, even to the point of taking it in turns to do it to not get yellow cards?

procdoc · Dec 12, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So rather than being close enough to draw the foul they'll stay a step back so he can't. Are you saying this season there haven't been teams deliberately setting out to foul him, even to the point of taking it in turns to do it to not get yellow cards?

I’m not saying teams don’t do it. When I was a manager we would pinpoint the biggest threat and try and double up on them. The tactic wasn’t to foul, it was to not give them time or space, The last resort would be to tactically foul him as that would be better than to let them advance with the ball and potentially create something. If you give away a foul you can at least get set for a set piece

SBT · Dec 12, 2021

Frostie said:
Depending whose model you use its between 2.30 & 2.45, nowhere near as bad as people make out.

How does his xG-G stack up to other attacking midfielders in this league?

Frostie · Dec 12, 2021

SBT said:
How does his xG-G stack up to other attacking midfielders in this league?

Depends who you want to compare him with, he's not the traditional attacking midfielder/No.10 is he?

Some have much higher goals & xG some have a better conversion rate but then O'Hare offers far more in other areas with his defensive work, high pressures etc. than others so a bit apples & oranges isn't it?

Meanwhile others have scored even less from better chances. For example, I think we'd all agree Ryan Christie at Bournemouth is a good player but he has scored 0 from 32 shots with a total of 2.8 xG.

Ccfcisparks · Dec 12, 2021

Deleted member 9744 said:
In terms of natural talent i don't think so, but it's just an opinion.

Still think we need to flog Godden in January?

Dod I say January? No I send end of the season and I stick by it. He wouldn’t get into another top half teams first 11 or bench

procdoc · Dec 12, 2021

Ccfcisparks said:
Dod I say January? No I send end of the season and I stick by it. He wouldn’t get into another top half teams first 11 or bench

Ridiculous statement

SBT · Dec 12, 2021

Frostie said:
Depends who you want to compare him with, he's not the traditional attacking midfielder/No.10 is he?

Some have much higher goals & xG some have a better conversion rate but then O'Hare offers far more in other areas with his defensive work, high pressures etc. than others so a bit apples & oranges isn't it?

Meanwhile others have scored even less from better chances. For example, I think we'd all agree Ryan Christie at Bournemouth is a good player but he has scored 0 from 32 shots with a total of 2.8 xG.

No ulterior motive in asking - I’m obviously aware that goalscoring isn’t a big part of his game. His miss yesterday was awful but I still think he’s great. I’d just be interested to see how his conversion rate stacks up next to other players who, say, occupy similar average positions on the pitch.

covboy9 · Dec 12, 2021

For me he’s a decent player but nothing special if he was doing what he does at 18/19 I’d be encouraged but he’s 23 and not improving he’s at his level he’s not integral to the way the team play game bypassed him yesterday, deserves his place in the team but isn’t a stand out player in it, his footballing iq is quite low

Deleted member 9744 · Dec 12, 2021

Ccfcisparks said:
Dod I say January? No I send end of the season and I stick by it. He wouldn’t get into another top half teams first 11 or bench

I thought it said January but can't say as you deleted it when he scored.

Think I saw only Mitrovic has scored more goals per minute. All of our competitors would love us to sell him.

Ccfcisparks · Dec 12, 2021

procdoc said:
Ridiculous statement

Which top 12 side does he get into?

PUSB-We_are_going_up · Dec 12, 2021

larry_david said:
I can't imagine anyone's terrified of him. Sorry but he's not quick, he's not strong, he looks to go down at any opportunity. He now doesn't even run at players, he was hiding on the wing yesterday getting in kanes way second half.

He needs to be 'rested'. Everyone saying he sets the tone, we'd be different without him etc, we're a progressive football squad, you find a way to adapt as you go

He does need a rest but he is quick and for someone of his stture throws his body around a lot

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 12, 2021

Ccfcisparks said:
Which top 12 side does he get into?

Huddersfield and dare I say Forest

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