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Nuneaton MP to raise CCFC home next season in Parliament (10 Viewers)

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  • Start date Feb 6, 2018
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Nick

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  • Feb 21, 2018
  • #316
skybluetony176 said:
NICK IS NEVER WRONG!

I think I’ll just leave it there.
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You could just say what the previous discussions achieved or the actual aims?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2018
  • #317
oldskyblue58 said:
I don't think that the people clamouring for SISU to put money in to the club in January understand it fully Nick. It is a frustration that will repeat itself every transfer window whilst SISU are the owners

The greatest passion for the club exists in the core of fans that go to the matches. Certainly not with the owners

The EFL are hamstrung in this as they are with the woes of any club. They have competition rules that they can enforce but when it comes to anything fundamental they are pretty impotent. Which is something else some fans do not understand, particularly those saying the EFL would or could take the golden share away. They simply could not afford the legal cases that would be sure to follow
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For some reason some people seem to believe that somehow the 'golden share' is reserved for a club from Coventry
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2018
  • #318
Nick said:
You could just say what the previous discussions achieved?
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OK I’ll bite once more.

More discussions. As I said one of many steps. You can take the lazy route of missing the point if you want but changing the game to protect clubs and supporters is going to be a long journey.

I know that you’re reply is only going to leave me with one response so I’ll get it out of the way now and save myself the bother later.

NICK IS NEVER WRONG!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 21, 2018
  • #319
skybluetony176 said:
OK I’ll bite once more.

More discussions. As I said one of many steps. You can take the lazy route of missing the point if you want but changing the game to protect clubs and supporters is going to be a long journey.

I know that you’re reply is only going to leave me with one response so I’ll get it out of the way now and save myself the bother later.

NICK IS NEVER WRONG!
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It isn't being lazy or missing the point.

I fully grasp the point, are the discussions all related then and leading on from one to the other and being taken to the next levels? What is expected to be the next step after today and how will it progress?
 
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Limey

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2018
  • #320
italiahorse said:
.... and then give the new owners the "already agreed" deal.
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The deal being.....
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2018
  • #321
Supporters direct have written an account of the debate up
Grounds for change - future of Coventry City debated in Westminster
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2018
  • #322
Nick said:
I don't think anybody doesn't grasp they don't give a shite about CCFC.
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and yet we seem to be becoming more and more content with that by the day.
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #323
Ricoh Arena saga branded "stain on football" during Westmisnter debate

Marcus Jones, Nuneaton
“All parties must realise that 135 years of history and the future of this famous club is at stake. As is what it means to the community in the city of Coventry, the economy of the city and the surrounding area.”

Sisu need to “acquire a social conscience”
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Coleen Fletcher, Coventry NE
“Who should be allowed to own a football club? How can responsible and transparent club ownership be ensured?

“And when should the footballing authorities intervene in poorly-run or failing clubs?”
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Geoffrey Robinson was not noted as being present.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #324
Out of interest does any one know when/how all German clubs became fan owned? Or has it always been like that
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #325
Caught a bit of it on ITV News last night, who was it that said they couldn't really help as it was a private matter between CCFC and Wasps?

Ironically, the bloke presenting the news also said "what will this actually achieve" and the other woman said "it gets people talking about it" and didn't really say what it would achieve.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #326
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Out of interest does any one know when/how all German clubs became fan owned? Or has it always been like that
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Looking at this they aren't fan owned but it limits how of a club can be owned by a single person or entity



50+1 rule - Wikipedia


Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #327
Out of interest did any of those who spoke yesterday about things like importance to the community and social conscience make any comment objecting to Wasps moving here or the Ricoh being sold to them? Can't remember any local MPs speaking out about it.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #328
chiefdave said:
Out of interest did any of those who spoke yesterday about things like importance to the community and social conscience make any comment objecting to Wasps moving here or the Ricoh being sold to them? Can't remember any local MPs speaking out about it.
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A transcript of the discussion should be available in a while, it was for the discussions Bob Ainsworth initiated. Please post a link if you locate it.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #329
chiefdave said:
Out of interest did any of those who spoke yesterday about things like importance to the community and social conscience make any comment objecting to Wasps moving here or the Ricoh being sold to them? Can't remember any local MPs speaking out about it.
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The majority of people see it as a positive move. Particularly the Coventry rate payer.
 
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dadgad

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #330
Nick said:
Ironically, the bloke presenting the news also said "what will this actually achieve" and the other woman said "it gets people talking about it" and didn't really say what it would achieve.
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Nick turns his back on communication, now that IS ironic.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #331
dadgad said:
Nick turns his back on communication, now that IS ironic.
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I've asked what it would achieve, the same as the presenter on ITV news did.
 
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dadgad

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #332
Man stands on his soap box and declares ‘debate achieves nothing’ to gales of laughter
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #333
dadgad said:
Man stands on his soap box and declares ‘debate achieves nothing’ to gales of laughter
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Man asks what's been achieved to radio silence you mean?

Read the thread, multiple people have also said it won't achieve anything.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #334
The only thing it can achieve is to keep people talking about it and to make sure the CCFC case is not forgotten. Which was really the purpose. It succeeded in that. Will it achieve a solution no, but keeping quiet wont either

From what I was told it was suggested that if the mediation was not successful then all parties could well be hauled before the Digital, Culture, Media, & Sport Committee to explain themselves.

Thing is does Seppala, or Wasps for that matter, have to pay much attention to it..... probably not

In all honesty despite the public utterances I don't think anyone believes it achieves anything other than not letting CCFC be forgotten

Geoffrey Robinson was not there. The only Coventry MP not to be. Several from surrounding areas were there also
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #335
oldskyblue58 said:
The only thing it can achieve is to keep people talking about it and to make sure the CCFC case is not forgotten. Which was really the purpose.

From what I was told it was suggested that if the mediation was not successful then all parties could well be hauled before the Digital, Culture, Media, & Sport Committee to explain themselves.

Thing is does Seppala, or Wasps for that matter, have to pay much attention to it..... probably not

In all honesty despite the public utterances I don't think anyone believes it achieves anything other than not letting CCFC be forgotten

Geoffrey Robinson was not there. The only Coventry MP not to be. Several from surrounding areas were there also
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Them being hauled in front of the committee, is that the same sort of thing as Mike Ashley had to do?

It would have been interesting if Robinson was, "what do you think about this Geoff"......
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #336
oldskyblue58 said:
The only thing it can achieve is to keep people talking about it and to make sure the CCFC case is not forgotten. Which was really the purpose. It succeeded in that. Will it achieve a solution no, but keeping quiet wont either

From what I was told it was suggested that if the mediation was not successful then all parties could well be hauled before the Digital, Culture, Media, & Sport Committee to explain themselves.

Thing is does Seppala, or Wasps for that matter, have to pay much attention to it..... probably not

In all honesty despite the public utterances I don't think anyone believes it achieves anything other than not letting CCFC be forgotten

Geoffrey Robinson was not there. The only Coventry MP not to be. Several from surrounding areas were there also
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Excellent, but if it happens I bet Joy will send Fisher when she should be the one being grilled.
 

skyblueinBaku

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #337
Captain Dart said:
Excellent, but if it happens I bet Joy will send Fisher when she should be the one being grilled.
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I believe that the committee can require the attendance of named persons.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #338
skyblueindorset said:
I believe that the committee can require the attendance of named persons.
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They cannot compel anybody to attend. Ashley went because failure to do so would have damaged Sports Direct. He resisted for quite some time.
Summoning powers

There seems to be an inquiry ongoing about whether it is necessary to beef up the powers of these committees.
The powers of select committees and contempt examined - News from Parliament
 
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SkyBlueZack

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #339
What exactly would having them in front of a committee achieve? None of this will make any difference. The council not selling to wasps might have. Sisu selling might. Talking about it for 'attention' and to not be forgotten is futile.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #340
Nick said:
Caught a bit of it on ITV News last night, who was it that said they couldn't really help as it was a private matter between CCFC and Wasps?

Ironically, the bloke presenting the news also said "what will this actually achieve" and the other woman said "it gets people talking about it" and didn't really say what it would achieve.
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Nick finds someone who agrees with him. Aptly it’s two people who probably know nothing about the history of our situation but he’s found them.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #341
skybluetony176 said:
Nick finds someone who agrees with him. Aptly it’s two people who probably know nothing about the history of our situation but he’s found them.
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One was the minister I think (I only caught a bit of it to see who she was) who said it was pretty much a private matter, the other was the news bloke asking the person reporting on it what it would achieve.

What does knowing the history mean? Does it mean if somebody asks knowing the history it would achieve something different to if they didn't know?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #342
oldskyblue58 said:
The only thing it can achieve is to keep people talking about it and to make sure the CCFC case is not forgotten. Which was really the purpose. It succeeded in that. Will it achieve a solution no, but keeping quiet wont either

From what I was told it was suggested that if the mediation was not successful then all parties could well be hauled before the Digital, Culture, Media, & Sport Committee to explain themselves.

Thing is does Seppala, or Wasps for that matter, have to pay much attention to it..... probably not

In all honesty despite the public utterances I don't think anyone believes it achieves anything other than not letting CCFC be forgotten

Geoffrey Robinson was not there. The only Coventry MP not to be. Several from surrounding areas were there also
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Mark Pawsey MP for Rugby got involved. Not saying it was down to me however I did write to him as soon as PM’s started talking about our predicament asking him to get involved with the early day motions and he promptly wrote back confirming he would and he seems to have kept his interest past that so fair play to him.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #343
Nick said:
One was the minister I think (I only caught a bit of it to see who she was) who said it was pretty much a private matter, the other was the news bloke asking the person reporting on it what it would achieve.

What does knowing the history mean? Does it mean if somebody asks knowing the history it would achieve something different to if they didn't know?
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NICK IS NEVER WRONG!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #344
skybluetony176 said:
NICK IS NEVER WRONG!
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Maybe you could just reply to the post rather than doing your best SBK impression?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #345
italiahorse said:
The majority of people see it as a positive move. Particularly the Coventry rate payer.
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Well that’s just made up bollocks isn’t it.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #346
Nick said:
Maybe you could just reply to the post rather than doing your best SBK impression?
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I replied. You chose to ignore it. I explained how this is one step of many. You can if you choose to pay attention to how it’s evolved in Westminster and see a progression. It’s gone from one or two MP’s raising it in parliament to early day motions to being discussed in Parliament to who knows where. Maybe just maybe all parties will be asked to Parliament to explain themselves as has happened to Sports Direct, BHS and more recently Carillon personnel, surely (although probably not) even you would welcome that? Joy having a grilling and being asked some meaningful questions, Anne Lucas having a grilling and being asked some meaningful questions.

Thank god you wasn’t a woman in the time of the suffragette movement or a black person living in America during the civil rights movement. What’s the point would have been your response failing to realise that it wasn’t a single act that changed things it was a collective.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #347
Grendel said:
Well that’s just made up bollocks isn’t it.
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To be fair no one put the windows in at the council house as you claimed would have happened if it had happened in Leeds. So using your own yard stick you would think that you should be agreeing with Italia not disagreeing. Mind you, you are the king of duplicity so it’s hardly surprising that you’re being dismissive even though in a roundabout sort of a way you’ve already made the same point yourself.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #348
Grendel said:
Well that’s just made up bollocks isn’t it.
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no, Italia is the unofficial spokesman for the whole populus of Coventry. If I'm right in m assumption he doesn't even live in the city then it's quite an achievement.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #349
Unfortunately, all this action from MPs is too little too late. Where were they when:

1. The heavily indebted club sold its home without a spade having gone in the ground at the new site nor any funding for its construction being secure
2. The heavily indebted club sold its stake in ACL for a paltry £2m (repaying debt to Derek Higgs et al should not be considered as part of the price)
3. The council forced ACL into a 50 year lease loaded with £21m debt
4. The club was forced into a takeover by SISU, with the express approval of the council due to the imposition of an arbitrary deadline by one Geoffrey Robinson
5. On the return of the club to the Ricoh, the council decided to sell the Ricoh to London Wasps rugby club despite the eminent threat to livelihood of both of the city's existing football and rugby clubs
6. Wasps rugby club leveraged the Arena with an even bigger debt to 3rd parties, ultimately putting to bed any lingering chance of CCFC (under new owners) realistically being able to buy into the stadium and assuring minimal investment in the site for the foreseeable future
 
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2018
  • #350
Grendel said:
Well that’s just made up bollocks isn’t it.
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If you got out more you would know.
 
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