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And Robins wouldn't have done what Hill did so there we are, apples and oranges, circles without an ending.
And Robins wouldn't have done what Hill did so there we are, apples and oranges, circles without an ending.That's the question , I doubt ANY of the others mentioned would have done what's happened here over 6 years
In a word... Yes.( DISCLAIMER - I DONT THINK WE ARE A BANKER FOR PROMOTION )
I think NOW is the perfect time to ask this question, as it's no longer something that won't happen .. it's a potential reality
3 promotions it would be , the most of any manager in our history
League 2 to the Premier league In 6 season
Is Clarrie Bourton a better striker than Ian Wallace?
I really struggle to see how any of the other managers mentioned could have achieved what Robins has under the same circumstances. He’s achieved everything he has in spite of the owners. Hill for instance done it largely because of the owners who had a vision of their own that Hill bought into. Without that vision would Hill ever have come to Coventry in the first place? I doubt it.
52 goals in one season is pretty good at any level. And 173 goals in 228 games brill. really.Is Clarrie Bourton a better striker than Ian Wallace?
I’ve never measured win ratios because you’re quite right. If we’ve been competing for playoffs/promotion in the EFL pyramid to fighting for survival in the PL. MR’s win % will take a knock and that’s not because he’s a bad manager.
Greatest manager doesn’t necessarily mean ‘best’ in this context because each manager in different eras had different sets of challenges. Robins, won us our first piece of silverware since ‘87 and whilst he didn’t get us there, he did get the club from its lowest point to the top division against all odds. The Championship has become a big money league and we’re on the cusp of getting promoted with a budget fit for a League 1 team.
I used to joke with my friends that Mark Robins is a God and now I’m believing my own shit chat.
Well said. I think Robins has to at least manage top flight to be able to even challenge him and Sillett.I think Gordon Milne ranks above robins.
Why do you think robins is better?
Well any of our top flight managers in theory thenWell said. I think Robins has to at least manage top flight to be able to even challenge him and Sillett.
Using this argument will only ever end up looking bad for Jimmy Hill who as a manager , achieved as many promotions as Robins.. and will be 1 behind him should we win promotion .. he never managed us in the top flight as a manager
Fair enoughmy argument is it’s pointless. I had the privilege of from 1972 to 2000 seeing the club in the top flight and through the 80’s going to every game almost home and away. Since that it’s been support through blind loyalty so obviously I’m going to look at managers who achieved against often impossible odds top flight survival which meant every season I went to Highbury old Trafford and Anfield
Well I'd ask my Granddad but he's dead, so won't get the bang up to date view.I wasn’t being facetious, I’d genuinely like to know if anyone had seen him at work!
That's the question , I doubt ANY of the others mentioned would have done what's happened here over 6 years
Why not? Bobby was a decent manager but not greatIts irrelevant - would robins have kept the club up when Bobby Gould did?
Why not? Bobby was a decent manager but not great
What would it take for robins to be number 1 in your mindIm talking his first stint in charge
we qualified for Europe Rupert
Death, taxes, football managers being sacked.Yes indeed, but if he was that good why did the club sack him ?
77/78 was beyond entertaining. It was amazing.He became manager at 34 - kept the club in the top division against impossible odds for 10 years and ask your dad if the 1977 78 season wasn’t the best the club had since the Hill era
The problem with these threads is it’s just subjective and pointless and only based on memories and time
was Clarrie bourton better than Dion Dunlin? Anyone?
Without Jimmy Hill we wouldn’t be having this conversation so he’s top and put a very minor not talked about club to one that was conducted pioneering
Cantwell like hill before my time but a top 6 position
Comparing Milne to Dowie is laughable. He managed to keep the club in the top flight for a decade against hide odds. Crippling debts, players sold behind his back and he creating a revolutionary scouting system that unearthed great talent like Gillespie Wallace and also a youth system which kept the club afloat in the 80’s
I’ve always stated why I believe Sillett was a great manager and shamefully removed by that cretin Pointon
Thank you- long time lurker overseas, and for what it’s worth you are an excellent poster, especially in the match threads which can be a total cesspitWelcome to the forum croat
77/78 was beyond entertaining. It was amazing.
But that was one season. And saying “impossible odds for 10 years” is pretty much nonsense.
people tend to go for the names from when they started out, as they were the magic times, so I get why a few say Milne but to put Milne over Robins is pretty funny.
Hill was much more of an icon for the city, Sillett was also more of a personality. Hill left us in the shit right before the start of the season, and almost destroyed the club when he came back in the 80s. Sillett worked miracles but was mostly bad in the transfer market and was as too reliant on old faces. Robins doesn’t have anything like the charisma of those two.
Cold, hard facts would put Robins as our most successful manager of all time if we got promoted, it’s not really an arguable point.
Three promotions up to the Premier League in 5 years, 2 of which with no stadium, it took Hill 6 years to get 2 promotions with heavy financial backing.
Thank you- long time lurker overseas, and for what it’s worth you are an excellent poster, especially in the match threads which can be a total cesspit
Well no, because a lot of them failed. Think of it like players: some strikers score plenty in the lower leagues but don't do it at the highest level-you wouldn't say they are the club's Best Ever and I can't see the difference with managers, either.Well any of our top flight managers in theory then
And followed it up with our best league season. People don't appreciate we really were championship challengers for 2/3 of the season we finished 7th, and would undoubtedly have finished higher if we'd had Europe to go for - we downed tools once the title was gone.I can understand people trying to argue Robins is the greatest, but the amount of times people try and put down Sillett to bolster their argument is incredible.
He won us a competition, that at the time was fucking massive, massive in this country, massive abroad, and taken serious by everyone involved. And he did it playing attractive football, immense achievement.
Gallacher? Speedie? Emerson? Phillips, Pickering? Didn't he spot Nuddy, too?77/78 was beyond entertaining. It was amazing.
But that was one season. And saying “impossible odds for 10 years” is pretty much nonsense.
people tend to go for the names from when they started out, as they were their ‘magic times’, so I get why a few say Milne but to put Milne over Robins is pretty funny.
Hill was much more of an icon for the city, Sillett was also more of a personality. Hill left us in the shit right before the start of the season, and almost destroyed the club when he came back in the 80s. Sillett worked miracles but was mostly bad in the transfer market and was as too reliant on old faces. Robins doesn’t have anything like the charisma of those two.
Cold, hard facts would put Robins as our most successful manager of all time if we got promoted, it’s not really an arguable point.
Three promotions up to the Premier League in 5 years, 2 of which with no stadium, it took Hill 6 years to get 2 promotions with heavy financial backing.
Every season on here people have said “oh we’re doomed, we have no budget, we have a small squad, we need a load of new signings”, and every season he has blown away every expectation. When you look at what he has done and what he’s had to work with, I’d argue it’s as close to a football miracle as we’ve ever had.
Had LOADS of money for that era, mostly wasted it.Strachan also put together one of the best city teams for many years too didn't he .. Still don't rate him
Pickering was already here. Signed with the Gibson cash.Gallacher? Speedie? Emerson? Phillips, Pickering? Didn't he spot Nuddy, too?
Oh I’m not putting him down one bit.I can understand people trying to argue Robins is the greatest, but the amount of times people try and put down Sillett to bolster their argument is incredible.
He won us a competition, that at the time was fucking massive, massive in this country, massive abroad, and taken serious by everyone involved. And he did it playing attractive football, immense achievement.
Well that isn’t true. Milne had to work with severe financial restraints for much of his time at City. He took us to the second highest finish in our history and was a whisker away from having us qualify for Europe. He also produced arguably the best ever City team, certainly my favourite ever team, who were a joy to watch. (the Fergie-Wallace team of the late 70s). His teams generally played good attacking football. He also signed the greatest ever Sky Blue, Tommy Hutchison.In a word no
Oh I’m not putting him down one bit.
I’d put Sillett ahead of Hill, and if he’d have had a better eye for a transfer and a bit more of a taskmaster he could have taken us even higher- I remember 89/90 when we were 4th right up until March or so (I think), but we just wilted.
Sillett was a magician in terms of taking a team and transforming them, but I put robins higher if we go up.
Not running him down for a millisecond.
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