Now its potentially a reality , Will mark Robins be Coventrys greatest manager if we get promoted (1 Viewer)

[Mucca Mad Boys]

In fairness to @Grendel, I can see the argument about previous managers we’ve had being ‘better’ than MR. A lot of our managers had the thankless task of keeping us up in difficult circumstances probably don’t get the credit the deserve.

That said, without a doubt MR would be our greatest manager in terms of achievements. Winning the Checkatrade, and three promotions would be unmatched if you compare our previous managers.

 

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[Tommo1993]

Was 1993 the year you were born? If so then of course Robins is top for you

Or we can just take a look at how the quality of the game in its entirety has changed across the decades.

 

[Otis]

Milne was very good.

But if we won promotion now, then Robins would be the best ever as far as I am concerned.

The constraints he has had to manage under with all the uncertainty behind the scenes and the ground changing and protests against the owners, yet still he pulled us up by our bootstraps and made us contenders.

Unparalleled as far as I am concerned.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Robins saved the club.
For that alone I rank him as the greatest

 

[Grendel]

The problem with these threads is it’s just subjective and pointless and only based on memories and time

was Clarrie bourton better than Dion Dunlin? Anyone?

Without Jimmy Hill we wouldn’t be having this conversation so he’s top and put a very minor not talked about club to one that was conducted pioneering

Cantwell like hill before my time but a top 6 position

Comparing Milne to Dowie is laughable. He managed to keep the club in the top flight for a decade against hide odds. Crippling debts, players sold behind his back and he creating a revolutionary scouting system that unearthed great talent like Gillespie Wallace and also a youth system which kept the club afloat in the 80’s

I’ve always stated why I believe Sillett was a great manager and shamefully removed by that cretin Pointon

 

[Evo1883]

Me? I can value it, but not want to diminish What Sillet did by deciding on arbitrary factors and differences. Is that so terrible?

Plus we can win the FA Cup while outside the top flight...

7 teams from outside the rop flight have won it in its history, last one being WHU in 1980 , that's 43 years ago ...not happening ever again

 

[SBT]

My Grandad would always say about what a transformation he made to the team. I dunno, does history have to only be the history you've seen? That would have a small group of people rating Russell Slade as our second best manager of all time!

I wasn’t being facetious, I’d genuinely like to know if anyone had seen him at work!

 

[clint van damme]

Milne was very good.

But if we won promotion now, then Robins would be the best ever as far as I am concerned.

The constraints he has had to manage under with all the uncertainty behind the scenes and the ground changing and protests against the owners, yet still he pulled us up by our bootstraps and made us contenders.

Unparalleled as far as I am concerned.

Milne gave us a great season, the first season I attended HR, and was incredibly unlucky not to qualify for Europe.

 

[Grendel]

Strachan also put together one of the best city teams for many years too didn't he .. Still don't rate him

Not really

 

[slowpoke]

no Rupert but statistically he got the club to the highest position in the clubs history - he didn’t and couldn’t achieve promotions but he did achieve the highest position the club will ever achieve probably

Well I did and at 15/16 your view can be different but here are some facts, he spent hundreds of thousands when he had a squad of good young players here, Clements, Rees, Tudor, Gould, Paddon, all went on to have good top career in the first division, he signed Wilf Smith for a record £100k and a succession of centre-forwards, Neil Martin, who was okay, but was he better than Tudor or Gould ? Tony Hateley, John O’Rourke, Chris Chilton, Bobby Graham all for high fees. We couldn’t s ore for toffee.
Sold Rees for Ernie Hannighan, flopped.

 

[Tommo1993]

Nobody was actually comparing Milne to Dowie but okay.

 

[Grendel]

In fairness to @Grendel, I can see the argument about previous managers we’ve had being ‘better’ than MR. A lot of our managers had the thankless task of keeping us up in difficult circumstances probably don’t get the credit the deserve.

That said, without a doubt MR would be our greatest manager in terms of achievements. Winning the Checkatrade, and three promotions would be unmatched if you compare our previous managers.

you can’t compare win ratios to managers who haven’t been in the top league anyway

 

[slowpoke]

It’s a subject that doesn’t have an even playing field. Some managers got us promotions, some inherited a 1st division/Prem team with varying success.

Only Hill won us promotion in 1964 & 67. And never managed us in the top division.

 

[Grendel]

Well I did and at 15/16 your view can be different but here are some facts, he spent hundreds of thousands when he had a squad of good young players here, Clements, Rees, Tudor, Gould, Paddon, all went on to have good top career in the first division, he signed Wilf Smith for a record £100k and a succession of centre-forwards, Neil Martin, who was okay, but was he better than Tudor or Gould ? Tony Hateley, John O’Rourke, Chris Chilton, Bobby Graham all for high fees. We couldn’t s ore for toffee.
Sold Rees for Ernie Hannighan, flopped.

we qualified for Europe Rupert

 

[Evo1883]

The problem with these threads is it’s just subjective and pointless and only based on memories and time

was Clarrie bourton better than Dion Dunlin? Anyone?

Without Jimmy Hill we wouldn’t be having this conversation so he’s top and put a very minor not talked about club to one that was conducted pioneering

Cantwell like hill before my time but a top 6 position

Comparing Milne to Dowie is laughable. He managed to keep the club in the top flight for a decade against hide odds. Crippling debts, players sold behind his back and he creating a revolutionary scouting system that unearthed great talent like Gillespie Wallace and also a youth system which kept the club afloat in the 80’s

I’ve always stated why I believe Sillett was a great manager and shamefully removed by that cretin Pointon

3 promotions in 6 years , with 2 seasons ground sharing , taking a club that looked finished from the bottom tier to the top .. regaining top flight status for just the 2nd time in our history .

It's huge and undervalued clearly by yourself imo

 

[Grendel]

Only Hill won us promotion in 1964 & 67.

and under the rules of Billy Firth robins would have failed in his first season.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

its the same argument people use when comparing Messi & Ronaldo to Pele and Maradonna.

Yes recency bias is gonna play a huge effect, but we must not understate how much the game has changed in the last 25/30 years.

 

[Evo1883]

Not really

Ah city were fantastic that season ... at home , so good to watch , if Strachan was a decent manager we would have made Europe, we couldn't get results away

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Milne gave us a great season, the first season I attended HR, and was incredibly unlucky not to qualify for Europe.

Consider yourself blessed, I got the pleasure of starting with Don Mackay!

Followed up with the first regular stint being Don Howe.

I mean, with that calibre Robins is obviously Third on the list, but...

 

[Grendel]

3 promotions in 6 years , with 2 seasons ground sharing , taking a club that looked finished from the bottom tier to the top .. regaining top flight status for just the 2nd time in our history .

It's huge and undervalued clearly by yourself imo

But you can’t compare. Robins can finish 5th and be in line for promotion - no manager I’ve mentioned could

 

[Grendel]

Consider yourself blessed, I got the pleasure of starting with Don Mackay!

Followed up with the first regular stint being Don Howe.

I mean, with that calibre Robins is obviously Third on the list, but...

Don Mackey achieved survival - will Robins?

 

[Evo1883]

But you can’t compare. Robins can finish 5th and be in line for promotion - no manager I’ve mentioned could

This is the pyramid today .. no manager that youre mentioning was up against billionaire Saudi owners that could buy every top talent from around the globe..

 

[Boosh]

Or we can just take a look at how the quality of the game in its entirety has changed across the decades.

So it’s still incomparable then?

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Don Mackey achieved survival - will Robins?

Tbf Don Mackay was not a bad manager overall, but underachieved with the squad he had. Has Robins?

 

[Evo1883]

But you can’t compare. Robins can finish 5th and be in line for promotion - no manager I’ve mentioned could

This argument would also undermime Liverpools champions league victory in Istanbul and under klopp , they never won the league

Some would argue its harder to win the champions league than the European Cup

 

[Tommo1993]

So it’s still incomparable then?

So in what way is anybody comparing anything?

 

[Boosh]

So in what way is anybody comparing anything?

You’ve lost me. I’m younger than you so Robins is 100% my number one but I can’t feel strongly when comparing him to the others as I didn’t see it. That’s all I was getting at.

 

[skybluetony176]

I really struggle to see how any of the other managers mentioned could have achieved what Robins has under the same circumstances. He’s achieved everything he has in spite of the owners. Hill for instance done it largely because of the owners who had a vision of their own that Hill bought into. Without that vision would Hill ever have come to Coventry in the first place? I doubt it.

 

[Boosh]

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hahahaha so funny

 

[Grendel]

Is Clarrie Bourton a better striker than Ian Wallace?

 

[Evo1883]

I really struggle to see how any of the other managers mentioned could have achieved what Robins has under the same circumstances. He’s achieved everything he has in spite of the owners. Hill for instance done it largely because of the owners who had a vision of their own that Hill bought into. Without that vision would Hill ever have come to Coventry in the first place? I doubt it.

That's the question , I doubt ANY of the others mentioned would have done what's happened here over 6 years

 

[slowpoke]

Yes we did so what, where did we finish the season after ? European qualification was different but finishing 6th was an achievement no doubt but it didn’t last in Cantwell time here about 4 years we lost in the FA to fourth division Tranmere,after drawing at home, third division Hull, Swindon in the league cup after drawing at home.

 

[Tommo1993]

This argument would also undermime Liverpools champions league victory in Istanbul and under klopp , they never won the league

Some would argue its harder to win the champions league than the European Cup

In a way, Sillett’s achievements too.

 

[Perryccfc]

Robins comfortably best manager in our history.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

you can’t compare win ratios to managers who haven’t been in the top league anyway

I’ve never measured win ratios because you’re quite right. If we’ve been competing for playoffs/promotion in the EFL pyramid to fighting for survival in the PL. MR’s win % will take a knock and that’s not because he’s a bad manager.

Greatest manager doesn’t necessarily mean ‘best’ in this context because each manager in different eras had different sets of challenges. Robins, won us our first piece of silverware since ‘87 and whilst he didn’t get us there, he did get the club from its lowest point to the top division against all odds. The Championship has become a big money league and we’re on the cusp of getting promoted with a budget fit for a League 1 team.

I used to joke with my friends that Mark Robins is a God and now I’m believing my own shit chat.