Match Thread Norwich City - Coventry City Match Thread - Monday 26th Jan (32 Viewers)

shmmeee

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It seems like a completely arbitrary distinction to make - either it’s serious foul play worthy of being punished in retrospect or not.

it’s about not overriding the referee.
 

SBT

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it’s about not overriding the referee.
Is it not overriding the referee to say a foul took place where the referee saw nothing?

I also feel that ship has somewhat sailed in modern professional football - either punish things the referee didn’t spot after the fact or don’t imo, shouldn’t matter if a free kick or card was given.
 

skybluecam

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JDS trying to clear with his left foot is just pathetic in that situation. Also annoying but not really his fault that Bobby Thomas deflected their second in, I think Rushworth would have saved it otherwise.
This is just massive nitpicking, he doesn't break stride to get it on his left, it was just how it fell.
 

shmmeee

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Is it not overriding the referee to say a foul took place where the referee saw nothing?

I also feel that ship has somewhat sailed in modern professional football - either punish things the referee didn’t spot after the fact or don’t imo, shouldn’t matter if a free kick or card was given.

No? The ref missed it. If a free kick or card was given by definition the ref didn’t miss it. I’m not saying I agree just telling you the rationale.
 

Hobo

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I think most people who aren’t two footed go for most balls with their strongest foot by default.

It doesn’t make it the right thing to do though.

I’m surprised Academies aren’t working harder at making young players more two footed. In the late 60’s Liverpool had a simple solution it was called the box of death. It was like a squash court with a football.

i developed two feet by kicking a ball against the outside toilet wall, playing the ball first time with the foot nearest to where the ball landed.

It‘s not like you need loads of equipment to develop both feet, a ball and a wall. Or just another person continuously feeding your weaker foot.
 

Offhegoes

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Having calmed down, and watched the extended highlights.

1st Half

Haji very nearly made it 2-0, after a great flick from Esse.
Add to that the early chance for Torp, where the defender somehow managed to recover.
We were shit, but actually had the better chances in that 1st half. Norwich hit the post and had pressure, but that was it.

2nd Half
Howler from Bobby Thomas, letting his man go leads to Norwich eqaliser right after time. Also an argument that Dasilva should have done better on the line too.
Then Haji is through, and EMC nearly scores but defender clears.
EMC then hits the post with a header.
Kitching howler. Norwich get 2nd.
Wright is sent through on the left and the keeper saves.

Deserved to lose of course. Slloppy and careless from front to back, but still created 5 or 6 big chances. That gives me some hope, as bad as we were
 

JeffB

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The thing that gets to me the most was that this was an ideal opportunity to beat Norwich and draw a line under the misery they have caused us over the past few seasons. As it is we have this staggeringly bad record against the two East Anglian clubs since our return to the Championship which shows no signs of reversal.

Played 16
Won 0
Drawn 3
Lost 13
GF 11
GA 34
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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Could Esse play behind wright Rather then out wide , think he could be very effective there . To be fair he's done really well

Will the answer to that is yes, had some good link up Play when he played in the 10 role and scored a goal from that position.
 

shmmeee

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It doesn’t make it the right thing to do though.

I’m surprised Academies aren’t working harder at making young players more two footed. In the late 60’s Liverpool had a simple solution it was called the box of death. It was like a squash court with a football.

i developed two feet by kicking a ball against the outside toilet wall, playing the ball first time with the foot nearest to where the ball landed.

It‘s not like you need loads of equipment to develop both feet, a ball and a wall. Or just another person continuously feeding your weaker foot.

It’s the case across football though. I agree, same as long throws same as upper body strength same as set pieces, all a factor of practice and technique over “natural ability” where small inputs result in large improvements but very few footballers do it.

I remember asking Jack Burroughs’ Dad on here if Jack practices throwins being a fullback and was surprised the answer was no.
 

Nick

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This is just massive nitpicking, he doesn't break stride to get it on his left, it was just how it fell.

He does, he actually kicks it in the net because he tries on his left at the complete wrong angle rather than just hooking it away with his right.
 

Para1140

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On last nights performance other than perhaps Rushworth would be kept if we were to get promoted to the prem. perhaps thats part of the issue that the majority of them know that promotion would mean them being moved on
 

Cally Fedora

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He's been very good all season (until recently), but of course you never mention that.

He's been poor recently, but he's hardly alone there - Thomas and Kitching have been crap, even Grimes has been poor.

Nobody expects him to step up if we get promoted.
This is a complete myth unfortunately. He’s looked ok when we’ve been blowing teams away and the ball has only been in our half a few times and he can spend 80 minutes tapping the ball inside to Grimes.
 

CCFC96

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Standard embarrassing reaction from a lot of the people on here and Twitter whenever we lose a game.

Reality of yesterday is, it’s probably a draw overall and a silly mistake cost us. It’s going to happen to us, Boro and Ipswich over the next 3 months.

Immediately screaming about needing two new CBs and a LB whenever we lose a game does my head in. We’re top and clear of 3rd by 8 points with 17 games to go ffs.
Standard embarrassing reaction from a lot of the people on here and Twitter whenever we lose a game.

Reality of yesterday is, it’s probably a draw overall and a silly mistake cost us. It’s going to happen to us, Boro and Ipswich over the next 3 months.

Immediately screaming about needing two new CBs and a LB whenever we lose a game does my head in. We’re top and clear of 3rd by 8 points with 17 games to go ffs.
If you actually go back and look at our away games during this “terrible” run:

Ipswich (A) - play well, get countered, their gap in quality shows unfortunately.

PNE (A) - Very unlucky to draw, Iversen makes 2/3 incredible saves and their one chance flies into the top bins.

Saints (A) - Good performance undone by DaSilva being a cretin.

Charlton (A) - Solid performance undone by Brau being a cretin.

Birmingham (A) - they have three shots on target, all go in.

Norwich (A) - Overall not a great performance, but if Haji or EMC take their chances and Kitching isn’t an idiot it’s a different story.

Over that stretch I don’t think we’ve actually been that bad. On 3 occasions there’s been silly individual errors that have cost us points but I never come away from games thinking, Christ we look terrible and like we’ll never win again.

The reality is, the underlying numbers suggest our away form will bounce back at some point. You’ve got to just hold strong and not be incredibly reactionary to every game and demand we change half the team and announce Lampard as a fraud.
 

clint van damme

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Standard embarrassing reaction from a lot of the people on here and Twitter whenever we lose a game.

Reality of yesterday is, it’s probably a draw overall and a silly mistake cost us. It’s going to happen to us, Boro and Ipswich over the next 3 months.

Immediately screaming about needing two new CBs and a LB whenever we lose a game does my head in. We’re top and clear of 3rd by 8 points with 17 games to go ffs.

If you actually go back and look at our away games during this “terrible” run:

Ipswich (A) - play well, get countered, their gap in quality shows unfortunately.

PNE (A) - Very unlucky to draw, Iversen makes 2/3 incredible saves and their one chance flies into the top bins.

Saints (A) - Good performance undone by DaSilva being a cretin.

Charlton (A) - Solid performance undone by Brau being a cretin.

Birmingham (A) - they have three shots on target, all go in.

Norwich (A) - Overall not a great performance, but if Haji or EMC take their chances and Kitching isn’t an idiot it’s a different story.

Over that stretch I don’t think we’ve actually been that bad. On 3 occasions there’s been silly individual errors that have cost us points but I never come away from games thinking, Christ we look terrible and like we’ll never win again.

The reality is, the underlying numbers suggest our away form will bounce back at some point. You’ve got to just hold strong and not be incredibly reactionary to every game and demand we change half the team and announce Lampard as a fraud.

It's not a silly reaction.
We haven't won away for 2 months and the games we've lost we've shown the same frailties over and over again.

If our away form doesnt improve there's a good chance we miss out of the autos.

As for individual errors, they've played a part, but that's down to the manager to sort out
 

CCFC96

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It's not a silly reaction.
We haven't won away for 2 months and the games we've lost we've shown the same frailties over and over again.

If our away form doesnt improve there's a good chance we miss out of the autos.

As for individual errors, they've played a part, but that's down to the manager to sort out
But my point is if we continue to play and approach the games in a similar way, the underlying numbers suggest it should turn around.
 

Hobo

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It's not a silly reaction.
We haven't won away for 2 months and the games we've lost we've shown the same frailties over and over again.

If our away form doesnt improve there's a good chance we miss out of the autos.

As for individual errors, they've played a part, but that's down to the manager to sort out

Also individual errors come from being constantly under pressure. You eventually lose against the law of averages.
 

clint van damme

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But my point is if we continue to play and approach the games in a similar way, the underlying numbers suggest it should turn around.

I'm sorry, but I see nothing to suggest we're going to turn this around if we keep doing the same things over and over again.

Everyone on here can see what's happening, it was being pointed out last night before the inevitable happened.
 

Shannerz

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Ipswich (A) - play well, get countered, their gap in quality shows unfortunately.

PNE (A) - Very unlucky to draw, Iversen makes 2/3 incredible saves and their one chance flies into the top bins.

Saints (A) - Good performance undone by DaSilva being a cretin.

Charlton (A) - Solid performance undone by Brau being a cretin.

Birmingham (A) - they have three shots on target, all go in.

Norwich (A) - Overall not a great performance, but if Haji or EMC take their chances and Kitching isn’t an idiot it’s a different story.
I'd argue we got no more points than we deserved in those games.

Southampton you can take out, as it was a good 45 minutes followed by backs to the wall. Fair enough.

The rest, we were shit. Preston, the worst of the lot. Much better than them 11 v 11, then them down to ten and no space. Ok, difficult, and I'd accept a 0-0 there; but we got in front, then completely relaxed and let them back in. You don't deserve anything from that, not bad luck. Ipswich, ok, big refereeing call against us, but once they were ahead, there was only one winner. Charlton, very uninspiring, second best for entire of second half; they deserved a point. Birmingham and Norwich you don't deserve anything with defending like that.

So three points from six away games. About right, based on performances.

I don't want to panic, but that form is a concern. We need a win against QPR as much to stop it becoming a millstone as anything.
 

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