You seem dertermined to turn the attention away from my post. Why is that?
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Well you started it, just how stupid do you think most of us on here are?
You seem dertermined to turn the attention away from my post. Why is that?
If you don't have a reply to the content could you please not reply at all?
You seem dertermined to turn the attention away from my post. Why is that?
If you don't have a reply to the content could you please not reply at all?
No facts there to back any of that up - just wishful thinking. Otium will have done a budget reforecast at the time it was apparent that 1500 people would be the average gate per game. on the basis of that, they would have engineered all costs down for the rest of the season to bring the loss down to to their original forecast. If it WAS really hurting them, they would definately say so..they always have in the past.
Nobody seem to remember that a coin has two sides.
NOPM is keeping people from going to home games and that understandable makes them pretty angry. That anger may be vented against sisu, but it actually also works in sisu's favor as all the publicity is indirectly hitting the ccc. The politicians cannot just do nothing - they have to act. They need to somehow try to bring the club back. Their first plan failed - Haskell didn't buy the club. Their second choice is to sell to sisu.
Just look and listen to them all. They are the ones who seem to be panicking - not sisu.
NOPM is working - but not the way the creators want.
The point being its not joys money, the same way Richardson thought he could do what he liked , until there became a point when robinson said enough is enough , and they then looked at the books and hey ho £60 mill in the red , sisu will have a tipping point , what happens then nobody knows but nopm will bring nearer
I think your wrong on NOPM,I'd say Its KCIC that Is exerting the political pressure.
I'm afraid that the only thing NOPM will achieve will be the reduction of staff budget to compensate. Staff being manager, coaches & players.
I may be wrong but we'll see come the summer.
Of course. However, I see NOPM worsening the effect.
But it isn't, haven't you noticed there are more anti SISU opinions being expressed here in the last week than ever.
And on a personal level all the conversations in the pub I've been party to or overheard have been putting the blame squarely on SISU.
I don't know if you live or socialise in Coventry, but if you don't maybe you are not getting accurate feedback, don't rely on stories in the local paper, they have an agenda that isn't in line with public opinion.
no you wouldn't , you risk high , but still have a tipping point ,the forecasts from tim and joy have been wrong thus far ,at the moment its a two horse race , but if a third party entered the race , how much then would they be prepared to throw at ccfcThe point being, you invest in such funds because you fancy high risk for high return, and take your chances.
If you invested in such funds, you'd be loving SISU's approach, as it shows flair, imagination... strength.
And risk.
no you wouldn't
It isn't working as the premise is flawed.
The whole reason of moving is to take a risk of putting a shot of cash in to gain further down the line, if you don;t gain, then you lose that shot of cash but that's the risk you taker. What you don't do, however, if that risk fails is move the club back and carry on as if nothing has happened as there's little point in that, all you do is continue the reasons you want to take drastic action in the first place, that you have an investment that isn't paying off.
So... not going to Sixfields because you think Cov should be in Cov, or because you can't get there, or you feel uncomfortable watching Cov surrounded by maroon seats, all perfectly reasonable reasons.
Not going because you're so sick of the owners you feel withdrawal of cash hastens a conclusion, and even oblivion followed by revival is better than having the current owners, a logical reason too.
Not going because withdrawal of cash = capitulation and reversion to the status quo, not going to happen.
Not going because withdrawal of cash= SISU selling up( as first plan has failed)
I think there is a growing minority who are starting to put more blame on ccc. Today it is totally 'legit' to say ccc have done wrong without immediately being called a sisu plant. It wasn't always the case.
Oppinions changes as more facts comes in to the public domaine.
Labovitch said:“There is no point at all in dredging up the discredited landlord-tenant debate. We cannot return to the clutches of a rapacious landlord which has done so much to damage the club through two generations of ownership.”
Nobody seem to remember that a coin has two sides.
NOPM is keeping people from going to home games and that understandable makes them pretty angry. That anger may be vented against sisu, but it actually also works in sisu's favor as all the publicity is indirectly hitting the ccc. The politicians cannot just do nothing - they have to act. They need to somehow try to bring the club back. Their first plan failed - Haskell didn't buy the club. Their second choice is to sell to sisu.
Just look and listen to them all. They are the ones who seem to be panicking - not sisu.
NOPM is working - but not the way the creators want.
it was essentially their debt in Ltd so they just bought it back. I think it was sneaky but not illegal, although it probably should be.Probably but the point is Otium will have offered ACL more than Haskell did. That makes a nonsense of any suggestion Haskell should have won the bid. On what grounds?
If sixfields was sold out every week you could have a point , but as Saturday proved ccfc at home are on the one hand just letting money down the drain against a gamble of getting the ricoh , such funds want all the money that's on offer plus the ricoh , not one or the other, there is no flair or imagination thereThe point being, you invest in such funds because you fancy high risk for high return, and take your chances.
If you invested in such funds, you'd be loving SISU's approach, as it shows flair, imagination... strength.
And risk.
I think there is a growing minority who are starting to put more blame on ccc. Today it is totally 'legit' to say ccc have done wrong without immediately being called a sisu plant. It wasn't always the case.
Oppinions changes as more facts comes in to the public domaine.
= the club being wiped from the map.
It wasn't that he didn't by the club, according to people on here Haskell could never have bought the club as Otium were always going to bid more because they could....
it was essentially their debt in Ltd so they just bought it back. I think it was sneaky but not illegal, although it probably should be.
If sixfields was sold out every week you could have a point , but as Saturday proved ccfc at home are on the one hand just letting money down the drain against a gamble of getting the ricoh , such funds want all the money that's on offer plus the ricoh , not one or the other, there is no flair or imagination there
You obviously have nothing to do with finance . 40 million and 1 division down shows stupidity , weakness and a monumental failure in understanding of people and what they will do when they are cornered . Wouldn't give the unscrupulous b@£/@rds one cent of my moneyThe point being, you invest in such funds because you fancy high risk for high return, and take your chances.
If you invested in such funds, you'd be loving SISU's approach, as it shows flair, imagination... strength.
And risk.
The point being, you invest in such funds because you fancy high risk for high return, and take your chances.
If you invested in such funds, you'd be loving SISU's approach, as it shows flair, imagination... strength.
And risk.
From day one sisu have tried to steam losses , cut staff , quality of players ect after 5 years you are saying now they have cut to the barest minimum ,the losses have gone up , not just the fans they have lost but sponsorship and tv money shows flair, imagination... strength. , I don't believe youIt's nothing to do with the short term value of moving to Northampton, is it.
You obviously have nothing to do with finance .
True - the 'wall of debt' put up by sisu made a hostile takeover impossible.
But it wasn't the outcome ccc wanted.
No it shows stubbornness and an unwavering commitment to NOPM, their version which is directed against ACL*. Sadly for them if PWKH is to be believed they're doing okay without us.You obviously have nothing to do with finance . 40 million and 1 division down shows stupidity , weakness and a monumental failure in understanding of people and what they will do when they are cornered . Wouldn't give the unscrupulous b@£/@rds one cent of my money
But if you were a high risk investor you wouldn't stay with the same company if they were failing you , you would move to another high risk investment not keep throwing money at the same project , as I said before if you buy an older to do up and it cost more than its worth , you move on to another car not keep spending money on the same car to prove appoint, there comes a tipping point especially when its someones elses money , sisu is not the only hedge fund in townWorked with plenty of people in the game SISU are in, in the past.
Know how they work.
Don't have the financial knowledge of the likes of OSB, do have a knowledge of the game such funds play. That's a different thing to bog standard finance...
Or let's look at it another way.
Your initial plan is put a slab of cash into the club, hope for a promotion, aim for a 300%, say, return on your investment over 3 years.
It doesn't pay off.
At that point you have a choice, fight or flight. You choose to fight then you know it might lose you some more cash, but it might also recover you some of your initial investment. In effect, you start with a clean slate, as you change your strategy and use what tools you have at your disposal; the rules of the game are set to zero and off we go.
So the inital investment failed, no return. C'est la vie, it happens. Such funds lose more cash than anything you or I will ever lose in my entire lifetime and beyond... but the aim is to win as well, by aiming for the high returns by going for the high risk plays.
Failure is a fact of life to such funds, it doesn't at the end of the day actually matter if it fails, as that's the name of the game, that's the price to pay for taking the risk, and it's a price they go into with their eyes wide open. Call them stupid? That's the first mistake. Call their tenure of Coventry City a failure? Of course... but that's not the same thing, is it.
If it's all stupidity to lose cash, than this pair must have been remarkably, remarkable stupid: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_priz...erton-bio.html
Sometimes it goes wrong, that's the risk.
Don't confuse figures with the game, and the approach
But if you were a high risk investor you wouldn't stay with the same company if they were failing you , you would move to another high risk investment not keep throwing money at the same project , as I said before if you buy an older to do up and it cost more than its worth , you move on to another car not keep spending money on the same car to prove appoint, there comes a tipping point especially when its someones elses money , sisu is not the only hedge fund in town
But if you were a high risk investor you wouldn't stay with the same company if they were failing you , you would move to another high risk investment not keep throwing money at the same project
not necessarily.
It's context.
We are not alone.
And it's also what you do to chase your tail.
Sometimes, such funds chase their tails so much they end up exploding in a hideous mess.
But you don't back down, that's the point.
If I were an investor and cared nothing for Coventry City I'd be a lot more delighted about this play now, than their initial one. This one shows exactly why I would have chosen to invest in SISU in the first place, this *is* SISU far more than the SISU-lite we had before.
This play fails? I'd still say the attempt to gain value from no value has been a pretty impressive attempt.
And if they carry on that approach elsewhere, some will win, some will lose, but I'd be reassured by their vision and attempts to win, and win big. Maybe I'd end up losing my investment by backing them...
If I hadn't invested before, I'd now be reminded of what SISU were about...
And there's always an ISA, some premium bonds, a savings account and a few shares in boots if I don't care about trying to beat the market, and want to play safe.But there is always a tipping point
But there is always a tipping point
Maybe in the business world , but not played out in public everyday , that's why we don't see joy and that's why most city fans first welcomed themAt which point you wind the club up, say OK then, we tried, it failed, but see we showed our strength...
And you walk away to the next project, with maybe the investment lost, but your reputation as hardball negotiators strengthened, your brand values reaffirmed.
At which point you wind the club up, say OK then, we tried, it failed, but see we showed our strength...
And you walk away to the next project, with maybe the investment lost, but your reputation as hardball negotiators strengthened, your brand values reaffirmed.
But more importantly, the people with money think you are a crowd of useless twats who can't be relied on to provide a return.
Nope, they see a play that failed, but one that showed strength, imagination, and a desire to generate something from nothing.
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