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clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #176
SBT said:
Some of the criticism of her is clearly gendered though. The appointment of a former Premier League executive to oversee sports science at the club should hardly be considered a controversial appointment, but people are still questioning her credentials. There’s an inherent mistrust and doubt about her role not only because it’s coincided with a dip in form, but also because she’s a woman working in a business that almost always hires men. I’m not saying that’s the world’s greatest injustice, nor am I saying she should be immune from criticism over the things she controls, but I don’t thing you can totally ignore that aspect either.
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What improvements has she brought about?
And if its too soon to see results how long do we give her?
Why wasn't Robins afforded the same patience?
 
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GIMOC

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #177
djr8369 said:
Yes it’s gone downwards but it’s not the fault of iPads is it? Come on it’s ludicrous
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the structure behind the scenes has coincided with the downward spiral

process have been implemented. the process currently not working

will it work in the future, who knows but we have gone from a playoff final team to a bottom half championship team since the changes have been made

robins is not immune from criticism but he’s been made the scapegoat

Easier to sack a manager than 6 back room staff

King has a vision and robins wasn’t part of the plans. clear to see
 
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samccov1987

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #178
Nick said:
Wouldn't they report to the coo?
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Not sure John Taylor seems to be occupied more on the commercial side. Match day operations, retail and ticketing.

I might be wrong which is why I asked. We’ve expanded so it’s not just looking at Robins and Boddy when things go wrong.
 
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djr8369

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #179
GIMOC said:
the structure behind the scenes has coincided with the downward spiral

process have been implemented. the process currently not working

will it work in the future, who knows but we have gone from a playoff final team to a bottom half championship team since the changes have been made

robins is not immune from criticism but he’s been made the scapegoat

Easier to sack a manager than 6 back room staff

King has a vision and robins wasn’t part of the plans. clear to see
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Yeah this is a much more sensible view.

Just find it daft people blaming iPads and individuals.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #180
GIMOC said:
the structure behind the scenes has coincided with the downward spiral

process have been implemented. the process currently not working

will it work in the future, who knows but we have gone from a playoff final team to a bottom half championship team since the changes have been made

robins is not immune from criticism but he’s been made the scapegoat

Easier to sack a manager than 6 back room staff

King has a vision and robins wasn’t part of the plans. clear to see
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No mate, Robins implemented it.
But we're getting rid of him and keeping the failing structure!
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #181
clint van damme said:
What improvements has she brought about?
And if its too soon to see results how long do we give her?
Why wasn't Robins afforded the same patience?
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I’m not really sure to be perfectly honest with you, but that’s not what my post was about

Personally my expectations of how much one single member of the backroom staff can transform the fortunes of the team one way or another appear to be wildly lower than most other people on this forum. The important exception to that is the manager…
 

Nick

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #182
GIMOC said:
the structure behind the scenes has coincided with the downward spiral

process have been implemented. the process currently not working

will it work in the future, who knows but we have gone from a playoff final team to a bottom half championship team since the changes have been made

robins is not immune from criticism but he’s been made the scapegoat

Easier to sack a manager than 6 back room staff

King has a vision and robins wasn’t part of the plans. clear to see
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What processes behind the scenes has she put in place?
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #183
Nick said:
What processes behind the scenes has she put in place?
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She? s that a typo?
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #184
I would have kept Robins for longer but its also fair to say in his entire career he has only got one team promoted directly 9 ie not via the play offs ) once and that was the aborted Covid season.

We all love Mark but its hard to argue that he comes with a strong track record of taking teams to the Premier League because he doesn’t.

We will get more of a clue to the real reason DK pulled the plug when we see Robins replacement.

We should stop with the crazy narrative that Doug has done it for his own ego etc etc. That is bollocks.

IF Doug has a huge ego then the thing he will want most is to take us to the Premier League, and he will only have fired Robins if he felt sure Mark could not deliver that.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #185
Interesting that Bidwell, who hasn’t played for a month and isn’t captain, has been trotted out to do the pre-match press conference today.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #186
djr8369 said:
Yes it’s gone downwards but it’s not the fault of iPads is it? Come on it’s ludicrous
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As I said, the iPads are emblematic.

However, having given this a lot of thought and accepting the superb defence of the Performance Director, I have come to the conclusion that I am completely wrong. Doug King has no case to answer because Robuns sacking was entirely the right thing to do because Robins

a) Approved the appointment of all the new coaches.
b) Approved the recruitment of all the new players.
c) Approved the sacking of his long term assistant
d) Has been unable to decide on the best formation for the team given the overall assets at his disposal
e) Has been unable to decide on the best deployment of those individual assets within that formation.
f) Has been unable to engender a discernible playing style or ethos this season.
g) Has been unable to adapt tactics during a game when 25,000 lay people can see there is a problem
h) Has been unwilling to make substitutions before the 60th minute of games.
i) Has seemingly been unable to motivate players to play as directed.

Im sure there is more. It’s really a wonder he lasted so long!
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #187
Perennial Lurker said:
He was still under contract though
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Would you leave it to the last minute? Palmer was still under contract, it was made clear it wasn’t going to be renewed, he took a longer term offer.
 

skybluecam

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #188
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Interesting that Bidwell, who hasn’t played for a month and isn’t captain, has been trotted out to do the pre-match press conference today.
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Probably just because he's the most experienced player in the squad. Although it should've been Sheaf really.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #189
SBT said:
Some of the criticism of her is clearly gendered though. The appointment of a former Premier League executive to oversee sports science at the club should hardly be considered a controversial appointment, but people are still questioning her credentials. There’s an inherent mistrust and doubt about her role not only because it’s coincided with a dip in form, but also because she’s a woman working in a business that almost always hires men. I’m not saying that’s the world’s greatest injustice, nor am I saying she should be immune from criticism over the things she controls, but I don’t thing you can totally ignore that aspect either.
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It’s fuck all to do with her being female. She has a string of qualifications - BSc (Hons), BEng (Hons), MPhil, PhD, CPsychol, AFBPsS, CSci, PGCertHE, FHEA so her paper credentials are superb.
However the performance on the pitch has still been awful.
 
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skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #190
SBT said:
Some of the criticism of her is clearly gendered though. The appointment of a former Premier League executive to oversee sports science at the club should hardly be considered a controversial appointment, but people are still questioning her credentials. There’s an inherent mistrust and doubt about her role not only because it’s coincided with a dip in form, but also because she’s a woman working in a business that almost always hires men. I’m not saying that’s the world’s greatest injustice, nor am I saying she should be immune from criticism over the things she controls, but I don’t thing you can totally ignore that aspect either.
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Literally no one on here knows exactly what her role entails. Any criticism is based on pure speculation. She definitely gets targeted because of her gender and it's quite disgusting.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #191
clint van damme said:
So one minute you're saying don't believe the ITKs on the forum.
Then I respond to one with a quote from a journalist and you're siding with the ITK, (or seemed to be)
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No I was just talking about Henry Winter as is quite clear.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #192
skybluecam said:
Literally no one on here knows exactly what her role entails. Any criticism is based on pure speculation. She definitely gets targeted because of her gender and it's quite disgusting.
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Nothing I have said about the performance director has anything to do with their gender. That’s an easy smear to apply to diminish someone else's opinion.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #193
Nick said:
Wouldn't they report to the coo?
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No, John Taylors remit is non football operations i.e. the running of the club as a business.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #194
skybluecam said:
Literally no one on here knows exactly what her role entails. Any criticism is based on pure speculation. She definitely gets targeted because of her gender and it's quite disgusting.
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Surely the name Performance Director gives it away what her roll is. She over sees the playing side including coaches.

Her CV is pretty impressive
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #195
MalcSB said:
It’s fuck all to do with her being female. She has a string of qualifications - BSc (Hons), BEng (Hons), MPhil, PhD, CPsychol, AFBPsS, CSci, PGCertHE, FHEA so her paper credentials are superb.
However the performance on the pitch has still been awful.
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If you were expecting her (or any one backroom staff member) to transform the team one way or the other within the space of a few months then that’s probably more on you imo
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #196
MalcSB said:
It’s fuck all to do with her being female. She has a string of qualifications - BSc (Hons), BEng (Hons), MPhil, PhD, CPsychol, AFBPsS, CSci, PGCertHE, FHEA so her paper credentials are superb.
However the performance on the pitch has still been awful.
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On pitch performance is not her fucking job as many people have told you
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #197
jordan210 said:
Surely the name Performance Director gives it away what her roll is. She over sees the playing side including coaches
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no she doesn't, that would be the role of a SD or DOF if we had one.

Her remit is integrating the various sports science and medical roles.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #198
jordan210 said:
Surely the name Performance Director gives it away what her roll is. She over sees the playing side including coaches
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Surely that would be a director of football?
Pretty sure her role is to oversee all the backroom staff and make sure targets and biometrics are being met
 

jordan210

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #199
David O'Day said:
no she doesn't, that would be the role of a SD or DOF if we had one.

Her remit is integrating the various sports science and medical roles.
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She worked for the premier league as Coach development and Elite development.

She's over seeing on field activity inc coaching what would include sport science and phycology

Hence why we have been seeing more player development of off field activities like cooking and coaching
 

skybluecam

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #200
MalcSB said:
Nothing I have said about the performance director has anything to do with their gender. That’s an easy smear to apply to diminish someone else's opinion.
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Explain to me what she does on a day to day basis then.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #201
skybluecam said:
Explain to me what she does on a day to day basis then.
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This should be interesting
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #202
jordan210 said:
She worked for the premier league as Coach development and Elite development.
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Struggling to see the words Performance and Director in either of them jobs?
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #203
skybluecam said:
Explain to me what she does on a day to day basis then.
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Her role is to create the right environment in the broad sense for athletes to perform to their physical and mental potential.

She isn’t taking training, picking teams, picking tactics, deciding formations, making or not making substitutions, identifying players in foreign markets etc etc.

Some fans overstate her impact negatively because not to do so would force them to challenge their loyalty to Robins.

A more rational approach would be to be grateful for Mark’s huge contribution whilst accepting that he has his limitations too.
 
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jordan210

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #204
Im not sticking up for Dr Claire but clearly a very clever person with an impressive CV, but is allowed to be criticised in her role.

Her appointment allways makes me think of Money ball and trying to win games with stats and player insights.
 
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Bad Boy

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #205
SBT said:
If you were expecting her (or any one backroom staff member) to transform the team one way or the other within the space of a few months then that’s probably more on you imo
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It's not a case of expecting a transformation but it's not unreasonable to see signs of improvement of which there is little or no evidence.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #206
jordan210 said:
She worked for the premier league as Coach development and Elite development.

She's over seeing on field activity inc coaching what would include sport science and phycology

Hence why we have been seeing more player development of off field activities like cooking and coaching
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That’s really fantastic, we have 15 points from 14 games,
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #207
Why are people so desperate for no criticism to be levelled at her? Not by any means saying if she wasn't here we'd be flying and in the play off places but I don't see why its viewed as unacceptable to ask questions of her role because she's a woman.

We've been told part of her role is implementing a new coaching structure. That structure has been heavily criticised both in terms of the structure and the personal recruited. What makes her above reproach when she was involved in changes many see as an abject failure.

Similarly we've been told she's involved in player recruitment to ensure we bring in the 'right' type of player. There's been a lot of criticism of the recruitment, and all sorts of anger directed at the recruitment team for wasting millions but again we can't question her role in it? One thing that has been specifically criticised with some of our signings is their attitude, that's specifically a thing this role is supposed to have improved.

Not saying she's to blame or bad at her job but it baffles me that for some reason people are getting upset that questions are being asked.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #208
SBT said:
If you were expecting her (or any one backroom staff member) to transform the team one way or the other within the space of a few months then that’s probably more on you imo
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Best part of a year.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #209
chiefdave said:
Why are people so desperate for no criticism to be levelled at her? Not by any means saying if she wasn't here we'd be flying and in the play off places but I don't see why its viewed as unacceptable to ask questions of her role because she's a woman.

We've been told part of her role is implementing a new coaching structure. That structure has been heavily criticised both in terms of the structure and the personal recruited. What makes her above reproach when she was involved in changes many see as an abject failure.

Similarly we've been told she's involved in player recruitment to ensure we bring in the 'right' type of player. There's been a lot of criticism of the recruitment, and all sorts of anger directed at the recruitment team for wasting millions but again we can't question her role in it? One thing that has been specifically criticised with some of our signings is their attitude, that's specifically a thing this role is supposed to have improved.

Not saying she's to blame or bad at her job but it baffles me that for some reason people are getting upset that questions are being asked.
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I'm not sticking up for her at all , just some on here think she oversees the manager
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #210
Deity said:
Her role is to create the right environment in the broad sense for athletes to perform to their physical and mental potential.

She isn’t taking training, picking teams, picking tactics, deciding formations, making or not making substitutions, identifying players in foreign markets etc etc.

Some fans overstate her impact negatively because not to do so would force them to challenge their loyalty to Robins.

A more rational approach would be to be grateful for Mark’s huge contribution whilst accepting that he has his limitations too.
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That’s going well, isn’t it?
 
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