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No shots on target and he said it was Terrific (3 Viewers)

  • Thread starter city old boy
  • Start date Nov 16, 2014
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city old boy

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #1
What Planet is the bloke on everbody could see it was a complete shambles and he comes out with a load of bollocks like that. what a joker
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #2
Proud of the group!
 
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city old boy

New Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #3
He's a twat
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #4
If you look at the last 10 games we've played, in stats, it's awful. In fact it's embarrassing. By January 31st we will be bottom 7 points a drift if we continue the same form.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #5
Is it Pressley or is it the players he has been given?
I struggle with this question.
 
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Noggin

New Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #6
It's possible he believes this in which case you have to question his sanity.

However I don't think he believes it, it's scientifically proven that positive feedback is in most cases more successful than negative feedback, there is even studies that show that players who receive positive feedback after a game have more testosterone in their system in their next game even when its a week later compared to those criticised and berated after a game.

There have been studies that showed negative feedback was more benefitial but these studies were flawed in that they didn't take regression to the mean into account, ie if someone does much worse than you expect them to do at something, it's very likely that next time they try will do much better whatever and when someone performs much better than you expect at something next time they will likely perform worse.

my information is second hand though and not from reading the studies myself so it's possible I'm not fully informed.

We see this from alot of top managers though don't we, it's never their teams fault, the referee is always bad, their was bad luck, the managers never seen their own teams dives etc etc, I don't believe these managers are stupid and watched a different game to us, I just think they believe this is the best way to get the best out of their players.
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #7
Noggin said:
It's possible he believes this in which case you have to question his sanity.

However I don't think he believes it, it's scientifically proven that positive feedback is in most cases more successful than negative feedback, there is even studies that show that players who receive positive feedback after a game have more testosterone in their system in their next game even when its a week later compared to those criticised and berated after a game.

There have been studies that showed negative feedback was more benefitial but these studies were flawed in that they didn't take regression to the mean into account, ie if someone does much worse than you expect them to do at something, it's very likely that next time they try will do much better whatever and when someone performs much better than you expect at something next time they will likely perform worse.

my information is second hand though and not from reading the studies myself so it's possible I'm not fully informed.

We see this from alot of top managers though don't we, it's never their teams fault, the referee is always bad, their was bad luck, the managers never seen their own teams dives etc etc, I don't believe these managers are stupid and watched a different game to us, I just think they believe this is the best way to get the best out of their players.
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Now read this for a different view
http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2013/05/08/appreciation-how-sir-alex-ferguson-ruled-the-game/

Se Feguson talking about his team after winning Scottish cup at 2:20 into the vid..
[video=youtube;GoSiBq2Q0MU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoSiBq2Q0MU[/video][
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #8
Noggin said:
It's possible he believes this in which case you have to question his sanity.

However I don't think he believes it, it's scientifically proven that positive feedback is in most cases more successful than negative feedback, there is even studies that show that players who receive positive feedback after a game have more testosterone in their system in their next game even when its a week later compared to those criticised and berated after a game.

There have been studies that showed negative feedback was more benefitial but these studies were flawed in that they didn't take regression to the mean into account, ie if someone does much worse than you expect them to do at something, it's very likely that next time they try will do much better whatever and when someone performs much better than you expect at something next time they will likely perform worse.

my information is second hand though and not from reading the studies myself so it's possible I'm not fully informed.

We see this from alot of top managers though don't we, it's never their teams fault, the referee is always bad, their was bad luck, the managers never seen their own teams dives etc etc, I don't believe these managers are stupid and watched a different game to us, I just think they believe this is the best way to get the best out of their players.
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Maybe but Barton came out yesterday and pretty much echoed Pressleys thoughts, saying we done lots of things and didn't deserve to lose. Even if he doesn't really believe it he's making the players believe that was a good performance which is just insane.
 
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city old boy

New Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #9
he's brainwashed them:jerkit:
 

covhead1

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #10
CCFC said:
Maybe but Barton came out yesterday and pretty much echoed Pressleys thoughts, saying we done lots of things and didn't deserve to lose. Even if he doesn't really believe it he's making the players believe that was a good performance which is just insane.
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Surely even our players can't be stupid enough to believe that load of bollocks
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #11
Jack Griffin said:
Now read this for a different view
http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2013/05/08/appreciation-how-sir-alex-ferguson-ruled-the-game/

Se Feguson talking about his team after winning Scottish cup at 2:20 into the vid..
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ERIC BLACK.

Anyway, a decent manager knows which players to encourage, and which to kick - that's what separates the good from the great. tbh what they say in public I tend not to listen to... of more concern is the nagging suspicion Pressley's managed to alienate half his squad... repeatedly.

And even if that's not his fault, and what Pressley is doing is right... it shows poor managerial skill if it causes division.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #12
Deleted member 5849 said:
ERIC BLACK.

Anyway, a decent manager knows which players to encourage, and which to kick - that's what separates the good from the great. tbh what they say in public I tend not to listen to... of more concern is the nagging suspicion Pressley's managed to alienate half his squad... repeatedly.

And even if that's not his fault, and what Pressley is doing is right... it shows poor managerial skill if it causes division.
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Absolutely agree ,like thrashing around In the dark currently .
 
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city old boy

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #13
italiahorse said:
Is it Pressley or is it the players he has been given?
I struggle with this question.
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What do you mean Given
He chose to bring them in
 

ccfcway

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #14
skybluebeduff said:
If you look at the last 10 games we've played, in stats, it's awful. In fact it's embarrassing.
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GameShots on Target
Scunthorpe2
Rochdale3
Preston0
Crawley3
Crewe4
Bristol City3
Oldham2
Peterborough6
Leyton Orient3
Notts County0
 
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Tonylinc

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #15
I attended yesterday's game (my first for a while) and was absolutely shocked at how poor we were. You can see better teams/players up the Memorial every weekend. There seemed to be a total lack of plan A never mind plan B. We are heading for relegation!
 
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CCFC_Charlie

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #16
ccfcway said:
GameShots on Target
Scunthorpe2
Rochdale3
Preston0
Crawley3
Crewe4
Bristol City3
Oldham2
Peterborough6
Leyton Orient3
Notts County0
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26 shots on target in 10 games. An average of 2.6 a game. Now that is embarrassing.
 

stupot07

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #17
CCFC_Charlie said:
26 shots on target in 10 games. An average of 2.6 a game. Now that is embarrassing.
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And we have the 3 best strikers in the league.....


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Tonylinc

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #18
stupot07 said:
And we have the 3 best strikers in the league.....


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I'm sure that that was said ironically but it may well be true. You need to get the ball to them however in good areas. Nothing of the sort was happening yesterday.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #19
Tonylinc said:
I'm sure that that was said ironically but it may well be true. You need to get the ball to them however in good areas. Nothing of the sort was happening yesterday.
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Look at the midfield and this will answer your post.
 

stupot07

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #20
Tonylinc said:
I'm sure that that was said ironically but it may well be true. You need to get the ball to them however in good areas. Nothing of the sort was happening yesterday.
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Whilst true. They also didn't make any chance of their own. A lot has been made of moussa and baker, but Clarke and Wilson made a lot of goals for themselves and each other. Nouble has a lot of talent, but he doesn't like going into the box much. The midfield were awful yesterday but it doesn't help when your front two are so static.

And simeon Jackson is just poor.


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Noggin

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #21
Jack Griffin said:
Now read this for a different view
http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2013/05/08/appreciation-how-sir-alex-ferguson-ruled-the-game/

Se Feguson talking about his team after winning Scottish cup at 2:20 into the vid..
[video=youtube;GoSiBq2Q0MU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoSiBq2Q0MU[/video][
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Sure, there is obviously not one right answer to motivating and getting the best out of people, every person needs a different thing too and even one person would benefit from different things at different times. While I know very little about football if I were manager I'd be supportive and give positive feedback most of the time and while I thought people were giving me their all, if I thought people wern't trying I'd spit feathers. Maybe I'm wrong but I think thats what Pressley goes for too.

My point really though is some people are thinking less of Presley because of his post match comments, they are thinking he's lost the plot, he's watching a completely different game to the rest of us, but while this is possible, it's alot more likely imo that he just saying what he thinks is the best for future performance rather than saying what he thinks is true.
 
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city old boy

New Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #22
Teams are even thinking of playing without a keeper and putting an extra striker on
 
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Tonylinc

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #23
stupot07 said:
Whilst true. They also didn't make any chance of their own. A lot has been made of moussa and baker, but Clarke and Wilson made a lot of goals for themselves and each other. Nouble has a lot of talent, but he doesn't like going into the box much. The midfield were awful yesterday but it doesn't help when your front two are so static.

And simeon Jackson is just poor. Wilson and Clarke were an exceptional partnership (don't think they knew themselves how good they were together) that is not going to happen very often. Wallace and Ferguson springs to mind. We now have a different partnership up front who require balls played to feet.


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Sky Blues

Active Member
  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #24
CCFCWay, where are you getting your shots on target game by game data?
 
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city old boy

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #25
Sky Blues said:
CCFCWay, where are you getting your shots on target game by game data?
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BBC

Conceded 21 Goals in the 10 as well
 

ccfcway

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #26
Sky Blues said:
CCFCWay, where are you getting your shots on target game by game data?
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yep, went to BBC report for each game
 

Sky Blues

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #27
ccfcway said:
yep, went to BBC report for each game
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Thanks, I was just wondering because I could only tables of shots on target that I could find showed aggregate data for the season. Those tables suggested City were averaging 4 shots on target per game, so your stats demonstrate the downturn in performance I guess.

The season long stats suggested the team has actually been converting shots into shots on target at a rate slight above the league average. The problem over that period is that the team is averaging fewer shots per match than every other club in the division.

The other problem suggested by the season long stats is that the team has been conceding more goals per opposition shot on target than it should have been - which suggests goalkeeping is a problem. I guess the stats just confirm what we know there.
 
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city old boy

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  • Nov 16, 2014
  • #28
Even tells you what that dickhead says after each game mind you it's very much the same every time. He must have Thorn's phrasebook he used say urm triffic
 

Gazolba

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  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #29
Noggin said:
Sure, there is obviously not one right answer to motivating and getting the best out of people, every person needs a different thing too and even one person would benefit from different things at different times
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It also makes a difference who is doing the criticising. If you are criticised by someone like Alex Ferguson who has won leagues, FA Cups, European cups, it carries a little more weight and is taken more seriously than being criticised by someone like SP who has done nothing and won nothing.
 
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