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Night of Long Knives* (2 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Mucca Mad Boys
  • Start date Feb 11, 2013
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #36
Grendel said:
Fleck is a huge disappointment. Far too slow and rarely involved in the game.
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More assists and goals than McSheffrey, with less games...

If you have the opinion that Sheff has been disappointing and is slow and his productivity is too low, then I won't say anything in return, because it will show me that you may be cynical, perhaps overly so, but you're consistent.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #37
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
More assists and goals than McSheffrey, with less games...

If you have the opinion that Sheff has been disappointing and is slow and his productivity is too low, then I won't say anything in return, because it will show me that you may be cynical, perhaps overly so, but you're consistent.
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Most if not all of his assists are set pieces.

He is 23. This should be a prime opportunity for him to dominate in games. In the majority of games he does nothing. He is on the periphery all the time. The more fitting comparison would be to mcsheffrey at the same age. There is zero comparison.

Mcsheffrey is past his best. He still looks a threat though. He pulls defenders out of games. The one real disappointment is lack of goals. He should score more. I would take him ahead of fleck though every time.

Fleck looks like someone who is nearing the end of his career. He is certainly nothing like his uncle (I assume that is the relationship to John)
 
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SkyBlueBlood

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #38
Grendel said:
Spoken like a true fan, perceived hard work above ability any day.
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Are you seriously suggesting that Leon Clarke has ability?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #39
SkyBlueBlood said:
Are you seriously suggesting that Leon Clarke has ability?
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In goalscoring, I think he does.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #40
Grendel said:
Most if not all of his assists are set pieces.

He is 23. This should be a prime opportunity for him to dominate in games. In the majority of games he does nothing. He is on the periphery all the time. The more fitting comparison would be to mcsheffrey at the same age. There is zero comparison.

Mcsheffrey is past his best. He still looks a threat though. He pulls defenders out of games. The one real disappointment is lack of goals. He should score more. I would take him ahead of fleck though every time.

Fleck looks like someone who is nearing the end of his career. He is certainly nothing like his uncle (I assume that is the relationship to John)
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Against MK he and Moussa dominated the game in midfield, we out played the 'Barca of L1' away.

It frustrates me when MR puts him LM, he clearly isn't a winger, he hasn't got the attributes.

However, he can dictate play and can make a difference, Stevenage and MK Dons away prove this.

The way you and others criticise Fleck and praise Sheff, you'd think Sheff has produced more 'industrial' output than Fleck, but he doesn't.

How many set plays have we scored? I bet most have been from a Fleck delivery, and weren't we complaining about our impotence from set-pieces?

His assist v Carlisle for McG was 1st class.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #41
The Barca of League 1? Christ.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #42
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The Barca of League 1? Christ.
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That's what MK Dons were supposed to be...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #43
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
That's what MK Dons were supposed to be...
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According to?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #44
Brighton Sky Blue said:
According to?
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"In the two years that he has been in charge since replacing Paul Ince, under whom he worked as first-team coach at both MK Dons and Blackburn and then assistant manager, Robinson has twice guided the club into the play-offs and cultivated a slick style that has drawn comparison with, yes, Barcelona."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/sep/24/mk-dons-karl-robinson-sunderland

They are a good footballing, shame, for them, not for us, that they don't have a big squad and our vulnerable when they get injuries.
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #45
Weren't they missing their Xavi (Gleeson) and Iniesta (Chadwick)?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #46
stupot07 said:
Weren't they missing their Xavi (Gleeson) and Iniesta (Chadwick)?
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Weren't we missing Messi (McG) and Fabregas (Bailey)?
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #47
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Weren't we missing Messi (McG) and Fabregas (Bailey)?
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Yep, you have confirmed my suspicions, you really at off your rocker
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #48
stupot07 said:
Yep, you have confirmed my suspicions, you really at off your rocker
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I was continuing, what I thought, was your joke.

Appears I have misread the situation then.

Both teams missed 2 key players, no doubt.
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #49
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
He was signed as a striker and played RM in last 2 season (I think).

They paid 10m for a striker who never scored more than 13 in a season.., :facepalm:

I wonder how many assists he got, I'll have a look in a min.
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No he played all bar his first season on the right hand side of midfield, and he was there for 6 seasons - 1 in 4 for a midfield is an excellent return.

He played up font with crouch that first season, then Torres arrived.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #50
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
"In the two years that he has been in charge since replacing Paul Ince, under whom he worked as first-team coach at both MK Dons and Blackburn and then assistant manager, Robinson has twice guided the club into the play-offs and cultivated a slick style that has drawn comparison with, yes, Barcelona."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/sep/24/mk-dons-karl-robinson-sunderland

They are a good footballing, shame, for them, not for us, that they don't have a big squad and our vulnerable when they get injuries.
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It's interesting really, there are clubs who seem to be on an irresistible upwards trajectory, MK being one of them, but also the likes of Swansea, Cardiff, Huddersfield in L1, and so on. Clubs who seem inevitably bound to get promoted eventually, in stark contrast to clubs like ourselves who only seemed to be heading downwards-doesn't have much relevance here so I'll leave it be but an interesting side thought.
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #51
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
I was continuing, what I thought, was your joke.

Appears I have misread the situation then.

Both teams missed 2 key players, no doubt.
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I was only messing, but my point was that fleck dominated a weakend Mk Dons midfield, one that had 64% of possession against us at the Ricoh.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19709691

Although impressive we only had 50% at their place.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20823148

And before anyone says, yes I know we won the game therefore possession is merely academic.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #52
stupot07 said:
I was only messing, but my point was that fleck dominated a weakend Mk Dons midfield, one that had 64% of possession against us at the Ricoh.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19709691

Although impressive we only had 50% at their place.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20823148

And before anyone says, yes I know we won the game therefore possession is merely academic.
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Fleck only came on as a sub, on the wing, so one could say Fleck made the difference! :laugh: I'm joking, I think the MR way hadn't 'entrenched' itself before that game, but by the away game it had, that's the key difference for me.

The way we played in midfield that day, I'd say we probably would have beaten them even if they had Chadwick and Gleeson.

Possession is an important stat for me, but I do find it annoying when someone says 'we had 53% possession, we dominated' after losing or drawing, even if they had less shots and other important stats. In my view, possession is only an indicator of how the game is going, if you have more possession, in theory, you should have more chances and more chances, in theory, should lead to goals, but football isn't as black and white, as it's what you do with possession is what matters, we could play in our own half and accumulate 70 odd % possession, without making any chances etc. you can't really discount any stat in my book, apart from player win % as they CAN be tenuous and ambiguous but even then, they have validity over time.

At the end of the day, goals is what counts, but possession, corners, shots etc. stats indicate how good the performance was, and a good performance is more likely to produce a win.

Even at our place, the stats, bar possession, suggested there was nothing between us.
 
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Sky Blue Spud

Member
  • Feb 11, 2013
  • #53
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Drop McSheffrey......

....He needs a kick up the arse, a wake up call.....

He should be pissing this league, but his goal return & general contribution has been utter shite for far too long now....
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Isn't Sheff carrying an injury and needs a painkilling injection before each game?
 
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