torchomatic
Well-Known Member
If you go back over the years on here you will see it has come up quite often. You said yourself about our two keepers. He coaches them yet they are perceived as poor. Why is that? Is that nothing to do with Oggy then?
If we didn't have two very poor goalkeepers, then Oggy wouldn't even be mentioned, he's done fantastic with other goalkeepers we've had here, he can't polish turds.
You're right, I said it was my view. You still avoid the question though, people aren't saying it is all his fault. Part of the problem, maybe? If I was new manager I would want my own team. We are in a shit position and can't afford sentiment. The new manager may well decide to keep him, which is fair enough.
If you go back over the years on here you will see it has come up quite often. You said yourself about our two keepers. He coaches them yet they are perceived as poor. Why is that? Is that nothing to do with Oggy then?
Not really, RCC has always been poor and was shipped out by Bury in League Two.If you go back over the years on here you will see it has come up quite often. You said yourself about our two keepers. He coaches them yet they are perceived as poor. Why is that? Is that nothing to do with Oggy then?
Not really, RCC has always been poor and was shipped out by Bury in League Two.
Burge has had 1 decent season....for Nuneaton.
Like I said, you cannot polish turds.
Maybe those goalkeepers are non-league standard and he's made them passable in league one? Dunno
Seeing how many points these goalkeepers have cost us during games and not training sessions, yeah both need to go, most of us have been saying we needed a keeper since August last season.So if he can't improve them maybe we need a change when the new manager comes in? Or, we get rid of both keepers and get a couple Oggy can improve.
Ffs with our defensive performance over the last two seasons even De Gae would be made to look poorSeeing how many points these goalkeepers have cost us during games and not training sessions, yeah both need to go, most of us have been saying we needed a keeper since August last season.
I would sooner the fans were running this club, even with a break even policy, than Sisu. Once Sisu go I think lots of interested parties will come on board, sponsors, advertisers etc who won't touch the club with Sisu there. What would you want, Sisu in charge, or a group of CCFC fans running the club?It isn't dead.
You were saying we shouldn't allow the club to run at break even, the fans would need to run it that way.
Break even will happen either way, it's how it's put across that's key.
Yes, and I'll mention it again, no one said "it's all his fault", have they? Yes or no? My view is when a new manager comes in we should have a clean sweep and get rid of the past. If he was anyone else no one would say anything. Apologies if that doesn't match your view.
I would sooner the fans were running this club, even with a break even policy, than Sisu. Once Sisu go I think lots of interested parties will come on board, sponsors, advertisers etc who won't touch the club with Sisu there. What would you want, Sisu in charge, or a group of CCFC fans running the club?
If I was going to say that someone should leave their job I would want to have pretty good evidence that they have not been doing it properly. You cannot judge this on the performances of the goalkeepers because a coach can only improve someone so much. (Although I think they are both still improving). What you would have to do is watch the way he works with them everyday, judge his methods. Have you been at Ryton watching? If not, a bit harsh to suggest someone should go when in fact he could be brilliant at his job.
Yep. Agree. Oggy should go. New manager, clean sweep.You're right, I said it was my view. You still avoid the question though, people aren't saying it is all his fault. Part of the problem, maybe? If I was new manager I would want my own team. We are in a shit position and can't afford sentiment. The new manager may well decide to keep him, which is fair enough.
Dont think i agree with you, Oggy does not recruit the goalkeppers he trains them. I think in any club you need a sense of who the club is and what it stands for and who better to get that from a man who has been with us for 25yrsYep. Agree. Oggy should go. New manager, clean sweep.
Having watched all of Oggy's career at CCFC the guy will always be a legend to me.
Don't be so presumptive. Anyone who thinks he is just a goalkeeping coach is not paying attention. 25 years a legend. Yep he has had a long career with us but has been an ever present fixture around the place. Sometimes it's time to move on, let change happen. By golly this club needs it.i can only assume the fans who want oggy out are youngsters who never saw us in the prem.
i can only assume the fans who want oggy out are youngsters who never saw us in the prem.
So any coach that cannot improve a shit player must be shit?So if he can't improve them maybe we need a change when the new manager comes in? Or, we get rid of both keepers and get a couple Oggy can improve.
I would say that a new manager coming in would have some insight into the staff he is inheriting or intends to jettison. Oggy has worked under several managers who have often brought in their own team but saw fit to keep him. I am pretty sure they wouldn't jepedise their own chances of success by keeping a lame duck would they? So who has the better insight into Oggy as a coach? Supporters who have never seen what he does or several experienced managers and coaches who have worked with him day in day out?Seriously? Managers come in all the time and just get rid of the existing staff as he has his own team. The people he's getting rid of may be brilliant, but that doesn't stop him.
how do we know he is cheaper than a different keeper coach?oggy has one big advantage ...he is cheap
Think of it more as underwriting tham, they'd have covered the losses if they had to but, as it turned out, they didn't have to.There bigger lie for me was linked to covering losses when we played at Sixfields.
She made such a play in the media that she and her rich investors were going to cover it but Wilson and the two Clarkes ended up covering it.
Don't know what guarantees had to be given to the league,but I don't think you'd get away with it as the head of a PLC.
i can only assume the fans who want oggy out are youngsters who never saw us in the prem.
Coaches must come cheaper than goalkeepers , so if what you say is true, then surely all teams wouldIf you go back over the years on here you will see it has come up quite often. You said yourself about our two keepers. He coaches them yet they are perceived as poor. Why is that? Is that nothing to do with Oggy then?
Coaches must come cheaper than goalkeepers , so if what you say is true, then surely all teams would
Just employ shit goalkeepers and the brilliant coach would improve them.
Never got the hate for Oggy, brilliant keeper for us in his day and a fantastic servant to this club,
The main problem with these two goalkeepers is not their distribution, it's their inexperience andNope I had to watch him in the premiership and stopped going for a while as it became a joke that he was being picked as soon as they dropped him I returned
He is a good coach (I know an ex goalkeeper he trained here) but my view he is kept on because the managers that come in are afraid to upset some of the fans by removing him, the two things he was very weak on these two keepers are distribution and crosses.
I don't think there is any hate for Oggy. Certainly not from me.
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