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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Apr 22, 2019
  • #141
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Sadly, you are right.

I think it's more the case that when the man bites the dog, it gets coverage. When the dog bites the man, it's yesterday's news.
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What a surprise. Again...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2019
  • #142
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What a surprise. Again...
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I suspect it's more because it happened in Sri Lanka and not a major Western nation. Mass killings happen across the world every month but it needs to take hundreds to make the news unless it's close to home or in a more 'civilised' country. Maybe the coverage of the terrorist acts in France over the years, or the days of coverage on Notre Dame burning, should tell you it isn't some anti-Christian bias. Just pro-Western bias
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 22, 2019
  • #143
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I suspect it's more because it happened in Sri Lanka and not a major Western nation. Mass killings happen across the world every month but it needs to take hundreds to make the news unless it's close to home or in a more 'civilised' country. Maybe the coverage of the terrorist acts in France over the years, or the days of coverage on Notre Dame burning, should tell you it isn't some anti-Christian bias. Just pro-Western bias
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I think that's one excuse too many to be honest.

5 times the amount of people have been killed. 5 times less the coverage.

'Easter Worshippers' being the pick of the bunch here. Pretty pathetic.
 
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Westendlad

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 22, 2019
  • #144
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think that's one excuse too many to be honest.

5 times the amount of people have been killed. 5 times less the coverage.

'Easter Worshippers' being the pick of the bunch here. Pretty pathetic.
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I would comment but norman, crappa etc...are sitting there waiting to jump on and call everyone a racist for even reading this thread....
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 23, 2019
  • #145
Plenty of coverage now of British casualties and response...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 23, 2019
  • #146
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think that's one excuse too many to be honest.

5 times the amount of people have been killed. 5 times less the coverage.

'Easter Worshippers' being the pick of the bunch here. Pretty pathetic.
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Look at the articles now coming through on the British casualties. All on the Westerners who have died and none on the hundreds of Sri Lankans. Western countries focus on Western tragedies. It isn’t some pro Islam conspiracy-just look at the coverage for attacks on the West or its people. Tunisian hotel shootings for example
 
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Macca

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  • Apr 23, 2019
  • #147
Sky Blue Pete said:
Terrible massacre and there does seem to be a different take when it’s christians who are murdered
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I'd describe myself as agnostic Pete but as an observation I would agree. In fact there is a real anti Christian sentiment that runs through not just its obvious enemies but the general public as well. I've heard it openly mocked in the workplace with terms like "bible basher" freely used in a way that people would be petrified to do in respect of another religion.
It's seen as old fashioned and outdated ( maybe to some it is) whereas as Islam is like the new kid on the block. People seem genuinely intoxicated by it and ironically women in particular. The NZ primeminister practically converted after the awful events there and couldn't wait to don the scarf much to the annoyance of many moderate Muslims. She offered a fairly bland statement after Sri Lanka. Both my kids education has filled them in far in excess around Islam than any other major religion and the constant "education" from BBC programmes in one form or another is embarrassing.

It's bizarre once you start noticing it.

My view as a current non believer? All brands of religion have the same general concept, belief in a higher power. We treat them all the same, either respect and protect them all or we don't. Pushing or promoting one whilst mocking another isn't really playing the game
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 23, 2019
  • #148
Macca said:
My view as a current non believer? All brands of religion have the same general concept, belief in a higher power. We treat them all the same, either respect and protect them all or we don't. Pushing or promoting one whilst mocking another isn't really playing the game
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Seems fair enough.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 23, 2019
  • #149
Macca said:
I'd describe myself as agnostic Pete but as an observation I would agree. In fact there is a real anti Christian sentiment that runs through not just its obvious enemies but the general public as well. I've heard it openly mocked in the workplace with terms like "bible basher" freely used in a way that people would be petrified to do in respect of another religion.
It's seen as old fashioned and outdated ( maybe to some it is) whereas as Islam is like the new kid on the block. People seem genuinely intoxicated by it and ironically women in particular. The NZ primeminister practically converted after the awful events there and couldn't wait to don the scarf much to the annoyance of many moderate Muslims. She offered a fairly bland statement after Sri Lanka. Both my kids education has filled them in far in excess around Islam than any other major religion and the constant "education" from BBC programmes in one form or another is embarrassing.

It's bizarre once you start noticing it.

My view as a current non believer? All brands of religion have the same general concept, belief in a higher power. We treat them all the same, either respect and protect them all or we don't. Pushing or promoting one whilst mocking another isn't really playing the game
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I don’t feel the persecution as I don’t struggle to laugh at myself but I think that’s right. You respect and protect the right of everyone to hold opinions and beliefs or you protect none. That’s hardcore grown up society. Real danger when those beliefs practically endanger society but fundamentally civilisation is about respect and a common human bond that values life
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 23, 2019
  • #150
Starting to fizzle out already.

Saw a post earlier on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Posted 14 tweets about New Zealand. Not a single one about Sri Lanka.

Double standards massively all over the place, shame some can't admit it, or dare I say even strongly try to deny it.
 
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Grappa

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 23, 2019
  • #151
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Starting to fizzle out already.

Saw a post earlier on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Posted 14 tweets about New Zealand. Not a single one about Sri Lanka.

Double standards massively all over the place, shame some can't admit it, or dare I say even strongly try to deny it.
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On what metric is it 'fizzling out'? Top online story at bbc and the guardian still.
 

Westendlad

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 23, 2019
  • #152
Grappa said:
On what metric is it 'fizzling out'? Top online story at bbc and the guardian still.
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Only coz the scum lazy anything to fight against as long i don't have to work' news has 'fizzled' out...
 
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Grappa

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #153
Westendlad said:
Only coz the scum lazy anything to fight against as long i don't have to work' news has 'fizzled' out...
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Can you do that in english?
 

ccfctommy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #154
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I suspect it's more because it happened in Sri Lanka and not a major Western nation. Mass killings happen across the world every month but it needs to take hundreds to make the news unless it's close to home or in a more 'civilised' country. Maybe the coverage of the terrorist acts in France over the years, or the days of coverage on Notre Dame burning, should tell you it isn't some anti-Christian bias. Just pro-Western bias
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This.

Remember everyone on Facebook turning their pictures into the French flag that time?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #155
Macca said:
I'd describe myself as agnostic Pete but as an observation I would agree. In fact there is a real anti Christian sentiment that runs through not just its obvious enemies but the general public as well. I've heard it openly mocked in the workplace with terms like "bible basher" freely used in a way that people would be petrified to do in respect of another religion.
It's seen as old fashioned and outdated ( maybe to some it is) whereas as Islam is like the new kid on the block. People seem genuinely intoxicated by it and ironically women in particular. The NZ primeminister practically converted after the awful events there and couldn't wait to don the scarf much to the annoyance of many moderate Muslims. She offered a fairly bland statement after Sri Lanka. Both my kids education has filled them in far in excess around Islam than any other major religion and the constant "education" from BBC programmes in one form or another is embarrassing.

It's bizarre once you start noticing it.

My view as a current non believer? All brands of religion have the same general concept, belief in a higher power. We treat them all the same, either respect and protect them all or we don't. Pushing or promoting one whilst mocking another isn't really playing the game
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She is the leader of NZ, why would she put out a bigger show of grief for an event elsewhere? There is no conspiracy
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #156
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Starting to fizzle out already.

Saw a post earlier on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Posted 14 tweets about New Zealand. Not a single one about Sri Lanka.

Double standards massively all over the place, shame some can't admit it, or dare I say even strongly try to deny it.
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Now we’re resorting to AOC tweets as a barometer of pro Islam bias?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #157
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Now we’re resorting to AOC tweets as a barometer of pro Islam bias?
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Why are you so keen to argue against?

The reaction has clearly been different right down to the terminology used.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #158
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Starting to fizzle out already.

Saw a post earlier on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Posted 14 tweets about New Zealand. Not a single one about Sri Lanka.

Double standards massively all over the place, shame some can't admit it, or dare I say even strongly try to deny it.
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it was the lead on the ten o'clock news.
First TV I'd watched about it as I've been busy though I'd read about it. Spoke to a couple of locals but mainly focused on the western victims. Two fellas had lost their missus and kids, absolutely horrific.
Some truly chilling footage of one of the suicide bombers walking in to the church, little girl passes by him on the way in and he pats her on the head, don't know why I found that gesture so disturbing.

This won't be the end of it and for Islamists to claim it's revenge for New Zealand is absolute bollocks. They reckon it could be returnees from Syria so with the caliphate gone I'm expecting more of these incidents. What a fucking world.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #159
clint van damme said:
it was the lead on the ten o'clock news.
First TV I'd watched about it as I've been busy though I'd read about it. Spoke to a couple of locals but mainly focused on the western victims. Two fellas had lost their missus and kids, absolutely horrific.
Some truly chilling footage of one of the suicide bombers walking in to the church, little girl passes by him on the way in and he pats her on the head, don't know why I found that gesture so disturbing.

This won't be the end of it and for Islamists to claim it's revenge for New Zealand is absolute bollocks. They reckon it could be returnees from Syria so with the caliphate gone I'm expecting more of these incidents. What a fucking world.
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Yeah, I saw that too and it was horrible how calm they were.

Could never imagine what would be running through their heads knowing they are about to kill hundreds of people and die themselves and to be that cool to just pat her on the head as if it was a normal day was spinechilling.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #160
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Why are you so keen to argue against?

The reaction has clearly been different right down to the terminology used.
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Because the arguments that there is some anti-Christian bias are absurd. We had 3 days of endless coverage on the Notre Dame fire just last week. The bias is Western, not Islamic. Check coverage on:

Charlie Hebdo
Tunisian hotel shootings
Bataclan massacre
Lorry driving attacks in France and Germany
Orlando shootings

I could go on. You’re drawing completely the wrong conclusion.
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #161
The little stories of these kinds of thing stay with me most. The fella calmly queueing at a breakfast buffet before setting off his vest is the kind of chilling detail I can't comprehend, the sheer coldness of people to do this.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #162
ajsccfc said:
The little stories of these kinds of thing stay with me most. The fella calmly queueing at a breakfast buffet before setting off his vest is the kind of chilling detail I can't comprehend, the sheer coldness of people to do this.
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Yeah, I always assumed they would have to be off their heads on drugs to kill themselves like that. It's the same as at the Ariana Grande concert as well.

Heard that one went in and set the bomb off in the hotel and another waited for people to come running out to do another one (the same as the concert).

It's how calm they are at knowing they will die in a couple of minutes as well.
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #163
To be able to bring yourself not only to do it but to believe murdering innocent people is some kind of noble act too, I'll never be able to fathom it.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #164
ajsccfc said:
To be able to bring yourself not only to do it but to believe murdering innocent people is some kind of noble act too, I'll never be able to fathom it.
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They think they are going to be banging virgins for the rest of their days for doing it.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #165
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Because the arguments that there is some anti-Christian bias are absurd. We had 3 days of endless coverage on the Notre Dame fire just last week. The bias is Western, not Islamic. Check coverage on:

Charlie Hebdo
Tunisian hotel shootings
Bataclan massacre
Lorry driving attacks in France and Germany
Orlando shootings

I could go on. You’re drawing completely the wrong conclusion.
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You could go on, but you're missing my point. I'm not saying it's just the coverage, it's the actual reaction too.

I've seen so much 'we can't let 'islamaphoboa' take over'. Which is the same whether Islam is the perpetrator of the victim. Half of the people actually tweeting about it can't even bring themself to say the word Christian either.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #166
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You could go on, but you're missing my point. I'm not saying it's just the coverage, it's the actual reaction too.

I've seen so much 'we can't let 'islamaphoboa' take over'. Which is the same whether Islam is the perpetrator of the victim. Half of the people actually tweeting about it can't even bring themself to say the word Christian either.
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On the other end of the spectrum Sky kept denying that the Orlando shootings were a hate crime against the LGBT community. You seem to really want there to be a pro-Islam bias when none exists. After the Manchester bomb there was weeks of condemnation of the attacker. The same as there is for any major incident in a Western country but not when a bomb goes off in Somalia or Syria or Yemen. Mass killings in these countries go unreported unless hundreds are killed at once and even then tends to only be if Westerners have died too.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #167
Well, this thread has taken off eh...
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #168
Well I guess because it started for NZ then went quiet then started again with Sri Lanka
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 24, 2019
  • #169
ajsccfc said:
The little stories of these kinds of thing stay with me most. The fella calmly queueing at a breakfast buffet before setting off his vest is the kind of chilling detail I can't comprehend, the sheer coldness of people to do this.
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Yep that’s right. Completely agree
 
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