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I was with you until the ludicrous example!
I was with you until the ludicrous example!No it can’t. It can be your opinion that it does, but the future is not certain. It can be likely, but not a fact.
Say I killed you today, you could argue that’s a fact that you won’t be alive next week. But we could invent reversing death this weekend and bring you back, we don’t know for sure. Very unlikely, but not a fact.
Yes I’m being a pedant, but so is the law.
No it can’t. It can be your opinion that it does, but the future is not certain. It can be likely, but not a fact.
Say I killed you today, you could argue that’s a fact that you won’t be alive next week. But we could invent reversing death this weekend and bring you back, we don’t know for sure. Very unlikely, but not a fact.
Yes I’m being a pedant, but so is the law.
So how do people get sent down for murder if death might be reversible this weekend?
Not if they are alive.Because the murder still happened
Not if they are alive.
I get your point but when something is bang on guaranteed it's a bit more than opinion isn't it.
The supporters do not in any way help perpetuate anything relating to the ongoing issues of stadium ownership / lease. The problem for our supporters is that due to the complexity of the issue with SISUWasps/Council there are so many groups who have contributed to our demise that almost inevitably we can't unite over one single course of action.The source of the problem isn’t fans but we help perpetuate the problems.
If we haven’t played any part in this then we have fuck all influence and no matter what we do it will never matter.The supporters do not in any way help perpetuate anything relating to the ongoing issues of stadium ownership / lease. The problem for our supporters is that due to the complexity of the issue with SISUWasps/Council there are so many groups who have contributed to our demise that almost inevitably we can't unite over one single course of action.
Don't blame our supporters for this .
If we haven’t played any part in this then we have fuck all influence and no matter what we do it will never matter.
That’s a pretty negative way to look at things.
The supporters do not in any way help perpetuate anything relating to the ongoing issues of stadium ownership / lease. The problem for our supporters is that due to the complexity of the issue with SISUWasps/Council there are so many groups who have contributed to our demise that almost inevitably we can't unite over one single course of action.
Don't blame our supporters for this .
I don't recall saying anything of the sort.If we haven’t played any part in this then we have fuck all influence and no matter what we do it will never matter.
That’s a pretty negative way to look at things.
What did you expect the council to do exactly with the empty stadium?
Tim had said the club were leaving to build their own stadium and promptly flounced off to Northampton!
The council were left with 2 clear options.
1, find another tenant.
2, find a buyer.
If you don't understand that, then I really can't help you.
So if we do have influence why have we had no influence on this?I don't recall saying anything of the sort.
Wasps fans can piss off back to KenilworthMost supporters fantasise of worlds without SISU and Wasps. On the Wasps forum we are made out to be deranged SISU fans. Not true. We want both gone
It's calling out blatant attempts by the council to mislead in the absence of local media, fans groups or anybody else to do the samewow, this statement is nuts, it looks like its been penned by the guy who writes the trust ones.
its real kids in a play ground stuff now isn't it,
proper grim
It's calling out blatant attempts by the council to mislead in the absence of local media, fans groups or anybody else to do the same
Let’s be blunt here. It’s picking up on a couple of woolly statements from Councillors. It’s not a smoking gun. It’s not any different to any other politician blather.
What matters isn’t comments from individuals if they are to prove a conspiracy, it’s the meetings of and reports to the council as a whole. And that left a loophole big enough to drive a bus through. Because no sane person would sign a lease that forces them to have a tenant at any cost.
I know you desperately want it to be a smoking gun, I get it, a quick Sisu win and this whole thing is behind us. But this ain’t it. Just like it wasn’t it the last ten times either.
This is just an attempt to get pressure on the council, without any actual action they want the council to take. It’s just screaming into the void, the Sisu version of the tiny sky blue coffin.
It’s not enough of a vote winner to impact the council and it’s not solid enough to be legally useful.
What it is is a sign that we likely won’t be playing in Cov next year.
Twice! I think it’s four now.That's twice you've used this phrase, what does it mean?
It's calling out blatant attempts by the council to mislead in the absence of local media, fans groups or anybody else to do the same
To think i was naive enough to be excited about burton game in friday
Don’t matter if we move elsewhere or go tits up! One thing I can guarantee is that SISU will still carry on regardless with their legalsWell if you wanted to harden attitudes even further that should do it. Given Boddy said last night the owners would make a statement i assume it is really from them not CCFC. I agree it is not a very professional statement, it is more of a personal attack, i am not sure it helps. Dont get me wrong they have to fight their corner with everything they have so i understand why and that it will play well to the fans & EFL.
I would be surprised if there was a binding clause in the CCC/Wasps sale agreement to basically allow CCFC to stay at their choice as long as they like but i suppose there is a chance. Given what everyone was aware of at the time it would have been careless in the extreme for a lawyer to allow that through.
Added to which there is reference i understand to it being on the basis of being able to strike a commercial deal to be able to stay longer. That i would think is getting more difficult as we go on through this saga. In which case in court i dont think there is much to rely on but i am not a barrister.
In essence Wasps will say there was no contractual basis to go on further, CCFC had wanted a short term deal (lots of press statements about that) and that deal has ended at the term date.
OEG/ARVO/SBS&L as instructed to so by SISU started JR2 after the assurances were given. I am sure some clever lawyer will work that in somewhere as a part of a defense
CCC have made so many mistakes over the years that it encourages legal actions. Do things in secret and this is what results.
Wasps I fear will see that and conclude we can not deal with these people.
The statement does not say to me they have a strong case.
The club statement basically sets the scene for continuing legal actions. As has been said this not about a day in court and "battering" the opposition. This is about battering people with court over and over again to get what they want. What they want (SISU) is not the stadium but the financial settlements that would come because of it. It is not nor ever has been about what is best for CCFC
I think moving away is now more certain and a solution less likely given the egos and entrenched positions
Not when we win 10 nilcc4life was wrong again
I was talking to a guy who had dealings with SISU ( queue Jim the gateman jokes). He said SISU would never stop the legals because they truly believe they are in the right,and eventually everything will come out and they will win.Don’t matter if we move elsewhere or go tits up! One thing I can guarantee is that SISU will still carry on regardless with their legals
'Option 3 was never going to happen because the relationship and trust between the two parties had broken down. By the time ccfc returned all sides were playing games with each other, and neither could be trusted.Three options.
Option 3: Build trust after the club returned and then look to do a deal at a later date. That was actually what the Council said at the point CCFC moved back, at the very point that they were negotiating secretly with Wasps. Another flat out lie.
Just to be clear, the Ricoh wasn't empty when the Council sold to Wasps, that's simply not true.
I am still don't worry!To think i was naive enough to be excited about burton game in friday
Nick, you have no argument other than calling every side out!Ah playing the naive act?
I've never said anything about the current case apart from I can't see anything but sisu losing. The court case is judged on one thing isn't it? They aren't judging morals, lies or bullshit.Nick, you have no argument other than calling every side out!
I’ve yet to hear you come out with any rational argument that could be put against the council in court. ( and I’m not defending them I’m pointing out the obvious that you seem unable to grasp)
Sisu are doomed to fail yet again, and the council will walk away vindicated,
Even though they lied to and manipulated the public and sisu over the sale to wasps.
If you have any sane argument to the contrary I’m more than happy to hear it.
I said before that SISU missed an opportunity to buy Cov Rugby.
They could have got around lots of council issues, developed the Butts, shared resources (physios, Training facilities, admin. Staff) and at the same time damaged Wasps if CRC became successful. Huge potential.
No just the FactsI've never said anything about the current case apart from I can't see anything but sisu losing. The court case is judged on one thing isn't it? They aren't judging morals, lies or bullshit.
Let’s be blunt here. It’s picking up on a couple of woolly statements from Councillors. It’s not a smoking gun. It’s not any different to any other politician blather.
What matters isn’t comments from individuals if they are to prove a conspiracy, it’s the meetings of and reports to the council as a whole. And that left a loophole big enough to drive a bus through. Because no sane person would sign a lease that forces them to have a tenant at any cost.
I know you desperately want it to be a smoking gun, I get it, a quick Sisu win and this whole thing is behind us. But this ain’t it. Just like it wasn’t it the last ten times either.
This is just an attempt to get pressure on the council, without any actual action they want the council to take. It’s just screaming into the void, the Sisu version of the tiny sky blue coffin.
It’s not enough of a vote winner to impact the council and it’s not solid enough to be legally useful.
What it is is a sign that we likely won’t be playing in Cov next year.
No just the Facts
I don't know. I didn't say anything of the sort. I was responding to your remarks about our supporters. I'd read it all again.So if we do have influence why have we had no influence on this?
'Option 3 was never going to happen because the relationship and trust between the two parties had broken down. By the time ccfc returned all sides were playing games with each other, and neither could be trusted.
Empty or not, the Ricoh arena is untenable without the football club.
It may even fail with wasps as tenants.
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