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Deity

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  • Jul 22, 2024
  • #71
Or maybe he interviewed better than the other candidates …..
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 22, 2024
  • #72
Balli001 said:
Im sure there is some form of employment law that all positions have to be advertised.
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No there isn't
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 22, 2024
  • #73
The watchmaker said:
Not my area of law but I don't think you do. It is certainly the case for public sector jobs though and policy in many other organisations. I agree with KG82 that it feels like a token effort (assuming the rumour is true) so perhaps it is just something CCFC do now.
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I don't think it is actually the case for public sector jobs, it's just organisational policy to advertise.
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Jul 22, 2024
  • #74
fernandopartridge said:
I don't think it is actually the case for public sector jobs, it's just organisational policy to advertise.
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Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to imply it was a legal requirement just that all public sector jobs are.
 

BUSA

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #75
Heard the same rumour that Delaney got the new role. He made a good impression on Claire Marie Roberts & was the stand out candidate I believe. He’s got 16 years nearly of coaching experience so he’s not a rookie. Interesting who takes over the under 18s now
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #76
Why is Claire Marie Robert’s the important person all of a sudden?
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #77
shmmeee said:
Why is Claire Marie Robert’s the important person all of a sudden?
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And why is her whole name mentioned?
 
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SkyBlueSam01

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #78
shmmeee said:
Why is Claire Marie Robert’s the important person all of a sudden?
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She wasn't brought in as performance director to manage the club's stationery supplies
 
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rexo87

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #79
shmmeee said:
Why is Claire Marie Robert’s the important person all of a sudden?
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Because she was brought in as performance director…
 
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procdoc

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #80
shmmeee said:
Why is Claire Marie Robert’s the important person all of a sudden?
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because that's her job?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #81
shmmeee said:
Why is Claire Marie Robert’s the important person all of a sudden?
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Because it's her job
 
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Diogenes

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #82
shmmeee said:
Why is Claire Marie Robert’s the important person all of a sudden?
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Because its her job
 
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SkyB

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #83
shmmeee said:
Why is Claire Marie Robert’s the important person all of a sudden?
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She's employed to do it.
 

Bugsy

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #84
Who's Claire and what's her role
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #85
SkyB said:
She's employed to do it.
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Yeah I didn’t think she’d just rocked up off the street. Never sure about non managers making these kind of decisions for me. The manager is the one whose head is on the line and if he’s not got full control he’s not got full responsibility. Just my opinion but he should have advisors not be an advisor.
 
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Balli001

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #86
shmmeee said:
Yeah I didn’t think she’d just rocked up off the street. Never sure about non managers making these kind of decisions for me. The manager is the one whose head is on the line and if he’s not got full control he’s not got full responsibility. Just my opinion but he should have advisors not be an advisor.
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Most big teams have this model now. While King is here this will be the new norm
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #87
Balli001 said:
Most big teams have this model now. While King is here this will be the new norm
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Yeah I’m sure. Still not a fan.
 
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Hobo

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #88
shmmeee said:
Why is Claire Marie Robert’s the important person all of a sudden?
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Look at her job title. She is possibly the best signing King and Robins have made.
 

TomS91

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #89
Delaney playing an active role on the touchline. Noticed him shouting instructions more than Carr or Boateng.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #90
TomS91 said:
Delaney playing an active role on the touchline. Noticed him shouting instructions more than Carr or Boateng.
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Looks like it’s sorted then probably be announced soon
 

SBAndy

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #91
shmmeee said:
Yeah I didn’t think she’d just rocked up off the street. Never sure about non managers making these kind of decisions for me. The manager is the one whose head is on the line and if he’s not got full control he’s not got full responsibility. Just my opinion but he should have advisors not be an advisor.
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She’s basically Robins’ equivalent, both are direct reports of King.

May end up seeing fallout but, as bad as it sounds, this is where the club is now bigger than Robins.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #92
SBAndy said:
She’s basically Robins’ equivalent, both are direct reports of King.

May end up seeing fallout but, as bad as it sounds, this is where the club is now bigger than Robins.
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I look forward to the Robberts Out posts when we go through a rough patch.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #93
SBAndy said:
She’s basically Robins’ equivalent, both are direct reports of King.

May end up seeing fallout but, as bad as it sounds, this is where the club is now bigger than Robins.
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Is there a translated version of this comment available?
 
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Hobo

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #94
shmmeee said:
I look forward to the Robberts Out posts when we go through a rough patch.
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There seems stereotypical resistance to her appointment along the lines of she's a woman what does she know? But she has arrived with a wealth of experience, as an athlete herself and then an academic background as well.

Some will probably pooh pooh the academic side also? But that is the way all the top clubs have already gone in football, rugby and athletics. Strength and conditioning, nutritionists, psychology, physiotherapy and coaching. Everything is more scientific. Look at the British Olympic teams, gone from very few medals to winning a hat full.

This is about her appointment and hints at her CV as reported in The Coventry Observer,

"Dr Roberts arrives from nearly a decade at the Premier League where she led strategic change in football development.
She is a former international swimmer who played women’s football for Swindon Town Ladies and latterly Aston Villa Ladies FC.

Dr Roberts is a Chartered Psychologist, Chartered Scientist, BASES Accredited Sport and Exercise Scientist, author, non-executive board director and trustee.

Prior to her role at the Premier League, she worked for the British Olympic Association across three Olympic and Paralympic cycles and held roles in a number of men’s and women’s football clubs and academic positions at UK Universities.

She brings a wealth of experience in high-performance sport to Coventry and will ensure the highest standards in all aspects of performance and preparation for elite football are delivered sustainably across the whole club."

She does indeed bring a wealth of experience to the club and is well qualified for her role.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #95
Hobo said:
There seems stereotypical resistance to her appointment along the lines of she's a woman what does she know? But she has arrived with a wealth of experience, as an athlete herself and then an academic background as well.

Some will probably pooh pooh the academic side also? But that is the way all the top clubs have already gone in football, rugby and athletics. Strength and conditioning, nutritionists, psychology, physiotherapy and coaching. Everything is more scientific. Look at the British Olympic teams, gone from very few medals to winning a hat full.

This is about her appointment and hints at her CV as reported in The Coventry Observer,

"Dr Roberts arrives from nearly a decade at the Premier League where she led strategic change in football development.
She is a former international swimmer who played women’s football for Swindon Town Ladies and latterly Aston Villa Ladies FC.

Dr Roberts is a Chartered Psychologist, Chartered Scientist, BASES Accredited Sport and Exercise Scientist, author, non-executive board director and trustee.

Prior to her role at the Premier League, she worked for the British Olympic Association across three Olympic and Paralympic cycles and held roles in a number of men’s and women’s football clubs and academic positions at UK Universities.

She brings a wealth of experience in high-performance sport to Coventry and will ensure the highest standards in all aspects of performance and preparation for elite football are delivered sustainably across the whole club."

She does indeed bring a wealth of experience to the club and is well qualified for her role.
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It’s nothing to do with her being a woman. The point is Robins will get the sack if we do badly, so he should be top dog as the buck stops with him.

If she’s making decisions above Robins then if they don’t work out I expect her and not Robins to be sacked.
 
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procdoc

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #96
shmmeee said:
It’s nothing to do with her being a woman. The point is Robins will get the sack if we do badly, so he should be top dog as the buck stops with him.

If she’s making decisions above Robins then if they don’t work out I expect her and not Robins to be sacked.
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That makes no sense. It’s Robins job to get the players performing
 

Balli001

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #97
shmmeee said:
It’s nothing to do with her being a woman. The point is Robins will get the sack if we do badly, so he should be top dog as the buck stops with him.

If she’s making decisions above Robins then if they don’t work out I expect her and not Robins to be sacked.
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As i said yesterday its the model of a lot of clubs now. Robins is essentially the head coach and is given the tools to perform. Her main remit is the systems in place to get that stage. If he didnt like the way it is he would walk lets be honest.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #98
In this day and age it’s stupid to give the manager responsibility for everything unless you want to end up having to tear everything up when the manager eventually leaves.
 
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Fergusons_Beard

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #99
shmmeee said:
It’s nothing to do with her being a woman. The point is Robins will get the sack if we do badly, so he should be top dog as the buck stops with him.

If she’s making decisions above Robins then if they don’t work out I expect her and not Robins to be sacked.
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You don’t think Robins had a say in the appointment of the head of first team coaching?

Obviously he did.

So there’s equal blame if it goes tits up.

Long gone is the over reliance on one person to run a football team.


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Hobo

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #100
shmmeee said:
It’s nothing to do with her being a woman. The point is Robins will get the sack if we do badly, so he should be top dog as the buck stops with him.

If she’s making decisions above Robins then if they don’t work out I expect her and not Robins to be sacked.
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There has definitely been comments around her being a woman though.

Mark Robins is making decisions about the team that goes on the pitch. He will be judged on those results.

Her role is to make sure all his support staff are performing pulling together and using up to date techniques and have the right facilities to delivery results. I am sure King will measure her performance and results just as he will Mark Robins.

But I think you are overlapping two very different roles and seeing them as the same?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #101
Hobo said:
There has definitely been comments around her being a woman though.

Mark Robins is making decisions about the team that goes on the pitch. He will be judged on those results.

Her role is to make sure all his support staff are performing pulling together and using up to date techniques and have the right facilities to delivery results. I am sure King will measure her performance and results just as he will Mark Robins.

But I think you are overlapping two very different roles and seeing them as the same?
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Ultimately there’s one person in charge. If she says yes and Robins says no, who wins out? Whoever that is is in charge and should shoulder the responsibility.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #102
Fergusons_Beard said:
You don’t think Robins had a say in the appointment of the head of first team coaching?

Obviously he did.

So there’s equal blame if it goes tits up.

Long gone is the over reliance on one person to run a football team.


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“a say”

Kids in a school have a say in which teachers are hired, but they don’t make any decisions. That’s on the head.

This isn’t some crazy idea that management requires a manager to have responsibility. Someone has to be in charge. If it’s her then fair enough but she should be doing the press interviews and it should be her head on the block if we don’t perform on the pitch.
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #103
shmmeee said:
It’s nothing to do with her being a woman. The point is Robins will get the sack if we do badly, so he should be top dog as the buck stops with him.

If she’s making decisions above Robins then if they don’t work out I expect her and not Robins to be sacked.
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You might not think it is anything to do with her being a woman but you are reacting to people that are starting from the place of 'everything that happens at the club is her fault' and that 'every decision that she makes is wrong.'

Delaney being promoted is a rumour at this stage (unless I have missed something), the fact that she was impressed by him also a rumour, the inference that this makes it the wrong decision faced with time constraints, applicants and other circumstances - conjecture. She is a director - she is part of a team. For all we actually know, Robins may have given Adi the boot and Delaney may be his man.

If it all goes horribly wrong from here the buck stops with the man at the top - Doug. But let's wait until our season falls apart before we start pointing figures. Who knows it might all work out fine.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #104
SeaSeeEffCee said:
In this day and age it’s stupid to give the manager responsibility for everything unless you want to end up having to tear everything up when the manager eventually leaves.
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I think you’re confusing responsibility and actually doing the work. Robins doesn’t wash the kit. That’s the kit man. But if the kit washing keeps getting fucked up and Robins doesn’t do anything about it that’ on Robins as manager.

Have any of you been in a management position before? Can’t believe this is even controversial.
 
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Balli001

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  • Jul 24, 2024
  • #105
shmmeee said:
Ultimately there’s one person in charge. If she says yes and Robins says no, who wins out? Whoever that is is in charge and should shoulder the responsibility.
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In charge of what though? If the team fail on the pitch do you want her to be fired?
 
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