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Netflix - Making a murderer (4 Viewers)

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  • Start date Dec 23, 2015
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Nick

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  • Jan 24, 2016
  • #106
Looks like he has a new lawyer - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/making-murderer-steven-averys-lawyer-7236406
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 25, 2016
  • #107
Nick said:
Looks like he has a new lawyer - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/making-murderer-steven-averys-lawyer-7236406
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Going to be interesting to see what happens from here on in. There will be huge pressure for the case to be looked at again.

Already there's been claims that one of the jurors has said they didn't think he was guilty but feared for their safety if they didn't give a guilty verdict.

There's also been claims that one juror was the father of the Manitowoc Sheriff's deputy and another juror's wife worked for the Manitowoc County Clerks Office!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 25, 2016
  • #108
chiefdave said:
Going to be interesting to see what happens from here on in. There will be huge pressure for the case to be looked at again.

Already there's been claims that one of the jurors has said they didn't think he was guilty but feared for their safety if they didn't give a guilty verdict.

There's also been claims that one juror was the father of the Manitowoc Sheriff's deputy and another juror's wife worked for the Manitowoc County Clerks Office!
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How far are you through the series? I think it is the last one when they speak to a juror.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 25, 2016
  • #109
Nick said:
How far are you through the series? I think it is the last one when they speak to a juror.
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Got to the end now. The victims brother seemed shifty to more, think he knows more than he's letting on.

Was taking every opportunity to be on TV and always smirking. If you were a relative wouldn't you want to know the truth? If it was me I wouldn't be happy after that trial.
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Jan 25, 2016
  • #110
Started watching this evening on Netflix. Managed 10 minutes before we switched off. Sorry guys. I thought this was as dull as dishwater.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 25, 2016
  • #111
Houchens Head said:
Started watching this evening on Netflix. Managed 10 minutes before we switched off. Sorry guys. I thought this was as dull as dishwater.
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The first one is just about stuff in the past.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 26, 2016
  • #112
Houchens Head said:
Started watching this evening on Netflix. Managed 10 minutes before we switched off. Sorry guys. I thought this was as dull as dishwater.
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Considering it is a 10 hr long show I would have to say giving it 10 mins is not really giving it a go at all.

The whole case really here is the murder case, not the rape case. Think there is one episode of the rape case and nine episodes of the murder case.

Stick with it for two episodes Houch I would say. You will be completely hooked with it I'm sure. It is just so unbelievable.
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Jan 26, 2016
  • #113
I think what put me and the missus of was that it looked like it was done in a "documentary" type way. I remember looking forward to "The Blair Witch Project" years ago (not the same type of film obviously!), and thought it was shite because of the way in which it had been "filmed". I'll take your word for it Nick and Otis. Maybe give it a go again. I remember your comments on Fargo after I said it looked shite, and yes, after an episode or two, I was hooked!
 

Nick

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  • Jan 26, 2016
  • #114
Houchens Head said:
I think what put me and the missus of was that it looked like it was done in a "documentary" type way. I remember looking forward to "The Blair Witch Project" years ago (not the same type of film obviously!), and thought it was shite because of the way in which it had been "filmed". I'll take your word for it Nick and Otis. Maybe give it a go again. I remember your comments on Fargo after I said it looked shite, and yes, after an episode or two, I was hooked!
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It is a documentary that's why It isn't a film.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 26, 2016
  • #115
Yep, is a documentary Houch! If you don't care for documentaries you may not take to it then.
 

lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 26, 2016
  • #116
started last night. 3 shows later I am properly hooked. Will probably watch another 3 tonight.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2016
  • #117
chiefdave said:
Got to the end now. The victims brother seemed shifty to more, think he knows more than he's letting on.

Was taking every opportunity to be on TV and always smirking. If you were a relative wouldn't you want to know the truth? If it was me I wouldn't be happy after that trial.
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I know what you mean, he seemed convinced that Avery and Dassey were guilty despite nearly all the evidence being tainted in one way or another and didn't once question the crappy police work or any of the flimsy arguments or flawed evidence.

If you were a relative you'd think you would say hang on a minute, your trying to convict who you believe to be my sisters killer, I want a water tight case here with no holes in it. Not DNA tests that weren't done properly or dodgy blood evidence and two investigating officers who couldn't have acted more shifty if they tried.

Who can say for sure though, its possible that grief had taken over and he just wanted it done with.
 

lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2016
  • #118
Interesting theory here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...ery-brendan-dassey-_n_9048104.html?1453460947

Watched episode 9 last night. Can't believe the young lad was convicted. Based on the evidence that was put forward in both cases neither would be in jail in this country. Far too much doubt.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 29, 2016
  • #119
lewys33 said:
Interesting theory here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...ery-brendan-dassey-_n_9048104.html?1453460947

Watched episode 9 last night. Can't believe the young lad was convicted. Based on the evidence that was put forward in both cases neither would be in jail in this country. Far too much doubt.
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Exactly! And the Dassey confessions should have been thrown straight out of court and never been presented to a jury.

I think that part of it is the most scandalous aspect of all.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 29, 2016
  • #120
Otis said:
Exactly! And the Dassey confessions should have been thrown straight out of court and never been presented to a jury.

I think that part of it is the most scandalous aspect of all.
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Even if you were 100% convinced Avery did it there's no way Dassey should be locked up or even allowed to give evidence. How anyone could watch the tape of his interview and think he was involved or in any way a reliable witness is beyond me.
 

lewys33

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  • Jan 29, 2016
  • #121
chiefdave said:
Even if you were 100% convinced Avery did it there's no way Dassey should be locked up or even allowed to give evidence. How anyone could watch the tape of his interview and think he was involved or in any way a reliable witness is beyond me.
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I can't remember who was involved in the conversation about Oscar Pistorious but it is the same thing. Even if you (as people are/were) 100% convinced he was guilty if you cannot prove it without reasonable doubt then he is innocent.

Am I right in saying that for cases such as murder in this country you have to be proven guilty beyond any doubt, let alone reasonable doubt? Obviously for lesser crimes it is the reasonable doubt statement.
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 31, 2016
  • #122
Brand new programme on the ID channel, Steven Avery, Innocent or Guilty.

Not a patch on the wonderful documentary, but the prosecutor gets to have his say about evidence not mentioned in the documentary and it is also said that some woman has agreed to take on Avery's appeal for innocence.
 

lewys33

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  • Feb 2, 2016
  • #123
Otis said:
Brand new programme on the ID channel, Steven Avery, Innocent or Guilty.

Not a patch on the wonderful documentary, but the prosecutor gets to have his say about evidence not mentioned in the documentary and it is also said that some woman has agreed to take on Avery's appeal for innocence.
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Is it just me that doesn't get the "missing evidence" from the trial .......... it was either actually in there, or doesn't prove it was him at all.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 2, 2016
  • #124
lewys33 said:
Is it just me that doesn't get the "missing evidence" from the trial .......... it was either actually in there, or doesn't prove it was him at all.
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Haven't watched it yet, is it the prosecution putting their side out?
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2016
  • #125
Yes. Having a right old moan about the documentary and stuff left out.

One bit was interesting, that a nurse said she used the needle on the test tube. Word is they do it to every tube to get the blood in the tube.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 2, 2016
  • #126
Otis said:
Yes. Having a right old moan about the documentary and stuff left out.

One bit was interesting, that a nurse said she used the needle on the test tube. Word is they do it to every tube to get the blood in the tube.
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Surely if they do that, it isn't air / water tight? Wouldn't they just take the lid off?
 

Otis

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  • Feb 2, 2016
  • #127
Nick said:
Surely if they do that, it isn't air / water tight? Wouldn't they just take the lid off?
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Yep, you would have said so. Prosecution guy (Kranz?) Says a nurse admitted to putting the syringe in the tube and he says 'and you know what? They do that for EVERY sample!'

Two things sprang to mind. If that was the case, surely the defence would know that, it being a standard practice and secondly, the defence didn't seem to refute that claim.

They still say though that the tube had been tampered with, because there was blood between the cap and the tube.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2016
  • #128
Otis said:
Brand new programme on the ID channel, Steven Avery, Innocent or Guilty.

Not a patch on the wonderful documentary, but the prosecutor gets to have his say about evidence not mentioned in the documentary and it is also said that some woman has agreed to take on Avery's appeal for innocence.
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For anyone that doesn't have ID channel and is interested its on youtube

[video=youtube_share;Hw6MsAl0BJU]https://youtu.be/Hw6MsAl0BJU[/video]
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 11, 2016
  • #129
Otis said:
Yep, you would have said so. Prosecution guy (Kranz?) Says a nurse admitted to putting the syringe in the tube and he says 'and you know what? They do that for EVERY sample!'

Two things sprang to mind. If that was the case, surely the defence would know that, it being a standard practice and secondly, the defence didn't seem to refute that claim.

They still say though that the tube had been tampered with, because there was blood between the cap and the tube.
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I am no nurse, but common sense says if they have holes in the top they can get contaminated.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2016
  • #130
Nick said:
I am no nurse, but common sense says if they have holes in the top they can get contaminated.
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Oh Nick!!! Dear me!!

Trust you to bring logic into the conversation!
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2016
  • #131
Nick said:
I am no nurse, but common sense says if they have holes in the top they can get contaminated.
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Plus it wasn't just that there was a hole in the top, the security seal on the box containing the sample had been messed with as well.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 11, 2016
  • #132
chiefdave said:
Plus it wasn't just that there was a hole in the top, the security seal on the box containing the sample had been messed with as well.
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Maybe the nurse had mittens on when she was filling it up?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 11, 2016
  • #133
Beyond reasonable doubt
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2016
  • #134
There's now a team of forensic experts going back over everything on Avery's behalf. They're planning to use something called luminol to show that there was no blood in the garage or trailer. Seems that even after so long this new process will still detect the iron in the blood which doesn't degrade.

Guess their theory is that if they show there wasn't any blood the case falls apart.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2016
  • #135
Well it needs putting to bed once and for all.

Absolutely no use them finding out the truth in 30-40 years time when Avery is dead and any corrupt official or law enforcement officer too.

They need bringing to book now if there has been any wrongdoing.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2016
  • #136
I get the feeling unless they can prove someone else did it he will stay in jail
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 12, 2016
  • #137
CCFC said:
I get the feeling unless they can prove someone else did it he will stay in jail
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I think if it is proven he didn't do it or they can pick apart the prosecution he should at least have a fair re-trial.
 
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Pipehitterz

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2016
  • #138
ive been thinking more along the lines that brendan did it
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2016
  • #139
The appeal / retrial needs to happen in a different State.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #140
Looks like we're going to get a second season:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...assey-s-cases-are-still-pending-a6903146.html
 
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