Brighton Sky Blue
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I watched us play Italy in the 6 Nations in the pub and there was a guy pounding the bar with delight every time Italy scored because he liked macaroni pie
Really? I remember in I think 1998 I was in Glasgow with work when we played Argentina and the hatred was shocking
I watched us play Italy in the 6 Nations in the pub and there was a guy pounding the bar with delight every time Italy scored because he liked macaroni pie
but that's going to happen around a football game, I've seen that happen here when Scotland are playing.
And I would add, that when I say I've never had an issue, my visits are almost exclusively Strathclyde, (yes I know that includes Glasgow), I've haven't spent much time further north or on the east coast.
I need to offer the other side to my story of course. I’ve had many great visits, and it truly is a wonderful Country, and, like you, met some wonderful people. They are there too.I visit some dodgy areas and never had a problem. In fact always treated really well so I've been lucky.
The only time I ever had an issue in a Celtic country was once in Dublin.
Clint I like you... But I hate to break the news to you that quite a few Scots just fucking hate us
Clint I like you... But I hate to break the news to you that quite a few Scots just fucking hate us.... Many will vote for independence on that hatred alone
but that's just someone supporting another team, it's not hatred.
Imagine Celtic and Rangers putting their rivalry aside during a derby game to unite in a hatred of the English, it would never happen.
But that's what Arkan lead Partizan and Red Star supporters in doing. uniting them in their hatred of Croats during a Belgrade derby. That's real hatred and rampant nationalism.
I need to offer the other side to my story of course. I’ve had many great visits, and it truly is a wonderful Country, and, like you, met some wonderful people. They are there too.
i watched a lot of the debates on the Scottish referendum and was disappointed by the vitriol coming from a lot of the audiences. maybe they were infiltrated perhaps by the rabid anti English, which may explain why it appeared so weighted with anti English feelings.
We should offer a hard exit. All support withdrawn currency vanished on day one and WTo terms and just let them get on
Sturgeon of course is hiding from it and when salmond starts his action will be finished anyway
We should offer a hard exit. All support withdrawn currency vanished on day one and WTo terms and just let them get on
Sturgeon of course is hiding from it and when salmond starts his action will be finished anyway
Clint I like you... But I hate to break the news to you that quite a few Scots just fucking hate us.... Many will vote for independence on that hatred alone
I need to offer the other side to my story of course. I’ve had many great visits, and it truly is a wonderful Country, and, like you, met some wonderful people. They are there too.
i watched a lot of the debates on the Scottish referendum and was disappointed by the vitriol coming from a lot of the audiences. maybe they were infiltrated perhaps by the rabid anti English, which may explain why it appeared so weighted with anti English feelings.
I don’t think they hate “English people” in general, they hate the English establishment, there’s a big difference. They need to be independent anyway (if they want it), imagine being strapped to us at this point.
To be fair, Britain is responsible for around 80% of Scottish revenue... Based on that alone... They need to be strapped to us surely?
I don’t know about that, but I do know you’re talking about sentiment that goes back centuries & will never go away, and the people that feel that way would put independence over everything, no price would be too great. Not saying it’s right, but it’s how it is. It’s hard for us to identify as we have never been in that situation. So I don’t think it’s about just despising all English people, it’s more the historical events that took place & the actions of the ‘establishment’, which can spill over
I don’t know about that, but I do know you’re talking about sentiment that goes back centuries & will never go away, and the people that feel that way would put independence over everything, no price would be too great. Not saying it’s right, but it’s how it is. It’s hard for us to identify as we have never been in that situation. So I don’t think it’s about just despising all English people, it’s more the historical events that took place & the actions of the ‘establishment’, which can spill over
That must be why blokes in pubs wanted to fight me then, because of the establishment...... the words “Ah fuckin hate the English” misled me...I don’t think they hate “English people” in general, they hate the English establishment, there’s a big difference. They need to be independent anyway (if they want it), imagine being strapped to us at this point.
Well... they had a failed investment, and were therefore pushed into it by their stronger neighbour... voluntarily.The union was a voluntary agreement of nations
The union was a voluntary agreement of nations... Scottish and English wars and skirmishes are no different to our problems with vikings etc... I don't buy that several hundreds of years later they hate us because we had a few ding dongs, it's nothing like the situation in Ireland for example.. Scotland are no victims of English oppression
That must be why blokes in pubs wanted to fight me then, because of the establishment...... the words “Ah fuckin hate the English” misled me...
It's just annoying that they focus on bits that have nothing to do with the Union that exists now and which was formed for very different reasons hundreds of years later.
Well... they had a failed investment, and were therefore pushed into it by their stronger neighbour... voluntarily.
In the late 1600s Scotlands elite were in favour of a union as the economy was shot... In 1699 talks were held between both countries.. Eventually The bill was passed and in 1707 the UK was formed with England paying off all of Scotland debts...‘voluntary’ you say???
tbf, and it's often the same in Wales, there is a lot of resentment of the English. I never knew there were so many Slovenia fans in Wales...
However, a lot of that is similar to here, really. I've got used to saying in both Scotland and Wales that I hate London, too. The deprived areas see their politics ignored, a lack of investment, and they see stories centred around London, with not even as much of a lack of understanding of their issues, but a lack of care - the establishment just isn't bothered what they think.
So they equate that with Englishness.
The best way to change that, is to start noticing them. For that matter, not dismissing the SNP as an irrelevant joke, too, but including them in decision making. The best way to reduce nationalist influence is to being them into the fold.
tbf, and it's often the same in Wales, there is a lot of resentment of the English. I never knew there were so many Slovenia fans in Wales...
However, a lot of that is similar to here, really. I've got used to saying in both Scotland and Wales that I hate London, too. The deprived areas see their politics ignored, a lack of investment, and they see stories centred around London, with not even as much of a lack of understanding of their issues, but a lack of care - the establishment just isn't bothered what they think.
So they equate that with Englishness.
The best way to change that, is to start noticing them. For that matter, not dismissing the SNP as an irrelevant joke, too, but including them in decision making. The best way to reduce nationalist influence is to being them into the fold.
With England being the largest, by quite some way in terms of population... I guess most things fall on us and its just easier to blame bad bad England
It's only relatively recently that most people thought of a nation, anyway.I’d be quite happy if both borders were dissolved and we stopped obsessing over lines on a map that were drawn long ago. Accept it’s never happening but we need to be making fewer countries not more
It's only relatively recently that most people thought of a nation, anyway.
You'd think of your village or town, not the country.
The idea of a 'nation' as we see it, is, as they say, an invented tradition.
I’d be quite happy if both borders were dissolved and we stopped obsessing over lines on a map that were drawn long ago. Accept it’s never happening but we need to be making fewer countries not more
yes yes yes
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