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shepardo01

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  • Dec 10, 2019
  • #1,296
marcusp said:
Two people at work this week both trying to offload tickets they had been given free through their kids
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Take it you said you'd have them.... then put them in the bin!????
 
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Deleted member 2477

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  • Dec 10, 2019
  • #1,297
shepardo01 said:
Take it you said you'd have them.... then put them in the bin!????
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Needed a shit so used them as bog paper
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 10, 2019
  • #1,298
marcusp said:
Two people at work this week both trying to offload tickets they had been given free through their kids
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Take them off them and deposit in the nearest bin
 

ccfc1234

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  • Dec 10, 2019
  • #1,299
chiefdave said:
Think that's a liberal use of the word sold. They were stood in Broadgate the other day giving out tickets to anyone who wanted them!
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Constantly giving away copious amounts of free tickets long term devalues the product not to mention is offensive to those who have parted with actual money to buy them. Not sure about the standard of harliquins but let's hope they play their best game of the season vs the pests.
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 10, 2019
  • #1,300
shepardo01 said:
Did there look like there was much uptake CD??
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nope, very little interest.
ccfc1234 said:
Constantly giving away copious amounts of free tickets long term devalues the product not to mention is offensive to those who have parted with actual money to buy them.
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100% this, people were pointing this out when they first got here. You can't give away tickets like confetti and then suddenly expect people to pay for them. You've made your own product worthless.
 

cc84cov

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  • Dec 11, 2019
  • #1,301
Not sure if this has been mentioned this side of things are not my strong point
 

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RegTheDonk

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  • Dec 11, 2019
  • #1,302
Well we don't really need any more do we? The council after all turned down Marriott. Surely they would deny Wasps too.
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 11, 2019
  • #1,303
Don't see anyway even our council can approve Wasps application having turned down one literally metres away on the basis it would take business away from the city centre.

Surely whoever put that application in would be straight on to their lawyers if that happened.

Also have Wasps actually paid to have this lease option and now a seemingly never ending extension. The councils excuse when it was initially issued was a need for hotels for City of Culture but today's article says any hotel won't be ready in time for that.
 

slyblue57

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  • Dec 11, 2019
  • #1,304
chiefdave said:
Don't see anyway even our council can approve Wasps application having turned down one literally metres away on the basis it would take business away from the city centre.

Surely whoever put that application in would be straight on to their lawyers if that happened.

Also have Wasps actually paid to have this lease option and now a seemingly never ending extension. The councils excuse when it was initially issued was a need for hotels for City of Culture but today's article says any hotel won't be ready in time for that.
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Bet the Council will lol
pusb
 

CanadianCCFC

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  • Dec 11, 2019
  • #1,305
slyblue57 said:
Bet the Council will lol
pusb
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More state aid. Would something like that strengthen SISUs case?
 

ccfcway

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  • Dec 11, 2019
  • #1,306
CanadianCCFC said:
More state aid. Would something like that strengthen SISUs case?
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Genuine question, why do we care ?. The club won’t benefit
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 11, 2019
  • #1,307
cc84cov said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned this side of things are not my strong point
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Yeah they've been getting ready to submit a planning application for the new training centres for a few years
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 11, 2019
  • #1,308
ccfcway said:
Genuine question, why do we care ?. The club won’t benefit
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Do you not see a pattern of behaviour from the council to benefit Wasps over anybody else? That should be a concern both in relation to CCFC and as local residents in general.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,309
According to the geniuses on the Wasps forum they are going to get the hotel operator to pay to build it and then once they've done that they will also pay rent to Wasps. Not sure there will be many hotel chains wanting to take them up on that fantastic deal.
 
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I was eleven in 87

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,310
Wasps tickets now being sold on the discount site Groupon!!
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,311
ccfcway said:
Genuine question, why do we care ?. The club won’t benefit
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Because any SISU is likely to bankrupt Wasps - excellent short term news that would open up a better chance for us to return to the Ricoh in some capacity.

we can then look at the long term aim of removing SISU when they pocket any compensation from wasps deal for the Ricoh being wrong
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,312
I was eleven in 87 said:
Wasps tickets now being sold on the discount site Groupon!!
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Most businesses resorting to that end up going bump, it's a sign of desperation
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,313

I have noticed as well that so many people who are now trying to get tickets for it are either those "Business Networking" sorts who will go to take a selfie or people who just enter competitions for free shit.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,314
Nick said:

I have noticed as well that so many people who are now trying to get tickets for it are either those "Business Networking" sorts who will go to take a selfie or people who just enter competitions for free shit.
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has the link been taken down?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,315
chiefdave said:
According to the geniuses on the Wasps forum they are going to get the hotel operator to pay to build it and then once they've done that they will also pay rent to Wasps. Not sure there will be many hotel chains wanting to take them up on that fantastic deal.
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Not a totally daft suggestion
Hotel operators can get long term funding to put up a building, it is then franchised out
If they cannot buy the site - the landowner can grant a long lease with an upfront premium and ongoing rentals. A budget hotel could raise £5k a year per room.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,316
oldfiver said:
Not a totally daft suggestion
Hotel operators can get long term funding to put up a building, it is then franchised out
If they cannot buy the site - the landowner can grant a long lease with an upfront premium and ongoing rentals. A budget hotel could raise £5k a year per room.
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So why would the council block others apart from one that Wasps can basically make money from because they have planning permission and the lease for the land?

Besides, it was taking the next step a year and a half ago - 150-bed Ricoh Arena hotel plans to take major step forward
 
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oldfiver

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,317
Nick said:
So why would the council block others apart from one that Wasps can basically make money from because they have planning permission and the lease for the land?

Besides, it was taking the next step a year and a half ago - 150-bed Ricoh Arena hotel plans to take major step forward
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Totally cynical reply -- I expect CCC will benefit from the development uplift?
 

Nick

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,318
oldfiver said:
Totally cynical reply -- I expect CCC will benefit from the development uplift?
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Surely they would have in rates from the one they rejected permission for because it wasn't needed?
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,319
Building a Nandos at the Ricoh As well, we have just quoted for some parts of the job.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,320
letsallsingtogether said:
Building a Nandos at the Ricoh As well, we have just quoted for some parts of the job.
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Is that going by the Frankie and Bennies?
 

covcity4life

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,321
oooh cheeky nandos
 

cc84cov

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,322
Desperate as fuck the ship is slowly sinking
 

covcity4life

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,323
if a hotel is commisioned maybe we can email marriot and tell them people of coventry are winning to back their appeal or protest!
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,324
oldfiver said:
Not a totally daft suggestion
Hotel operators can get long term funding to put up a building, it is then franchised out
If they cannot buy the site - the landowner can grant a long lease with an upfront premium and ongoing rentals. A budget hotel could raise £5k a year per room.
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Just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you're saying a hotel chain, lets use Travelodge as an example, build a hotel paying all the costs. Once that hotel is built Travelodge then pay Wasps to rent the hotel despite Wasps having not put a penny in.

How does that work? They aren't paying rent for the site as the land belongs to the council.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,325
chiefdave said:
Just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you're saying a hotel chain, lets use Travelodge as an example, build a hotel paying all the costs. Once that hotel is built Travelodge then pay Wasps to rent the hotel despite Wasps having not put a penny in.

How does that work? They aren't paying rent for the site as the land belongs to the council.
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Yeah but Wasps have the friends to get the planning permission while others closeby are rejected because they aren't needed
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,326
oldfiver said:
Totally cynical reply -- I expect CCC will benefit from the development uplift?
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What would the different be in this development compared to the hotel they have just refused planning for next to the Ricoh on the basis it would detract from the city centre. Not the first hotel application the council have rejected on that basis.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,327
chiefdave said:
What would the different be in this development compared to the hotel they have just refused planning for next to the Ricoh on the basis it would detract from the city centre. Not the first hotel application the council have rejected on that basis.
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It wouldn't be Wasps asking for it?

Maybe Wasps could get planning permission and then sell the Lease on the land with permission for a quick buck
 
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oldfiver

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,328
chiefdave said:
Just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you're saying a hotel chain, lets use Travelodge as an example, build a hotel paying all the costs. Once that hotel is built Travelodge then pay Wasps to rent the hotel despite Wasps having not put a penny in.

How does that work? They aren't paying rent for the site as the land belongs to the council.
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The Hotel Chain will pay "WASPS" effectively a rent for the site - in the absence of buying the land.
No idea what the deal is between CCC and WASPS - but the former wont let this happen for nothing ...............................or will they ?
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,329
oldfiver said:
The Hotel Chain will pay "WASPS" effectively a rent for the site - in the absence of buying the land.
No idea what the deal is between CCC and WASPS - but the former wont let this happen for nothing ...............................or will they ?
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But Wasps don't own the land. The land belongs to the council. What value do Wasps add to earn a cut of money that would otherwise be going to the taxpayer?

It would be debatable if it was a good deal for the taxpayer if they were leasing the land off the council and paying to build the hotel themselves before renting that out. This appears as if they're doing literally nothing other than put their name on a planning application so it gets approved where others have been turned down which of course raises other concerns.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Dec 12, 2019
  • #1,330
chiefdave said:
But Wasps don't own the land. The land belongs to the council. What value do Wasps add to earn a cut of money that would otherwise be going to the taxpayer?

It would be debatable if it was a good deal for the taxpayer if they were leasing the land off the council and paying to build the hotel themselves before renting that out. This appears as if they're doing literally nothing other than put their name on a planning application so it gets approved where others have been turned down which of course raises other concerns.
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I think WASPS have/ had an option on the land that has been extended in to next year to achieve planning
I doubt the Council will sell the land but could grant a long lease for a premium / annual rental or both
 
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