Cally Fedora
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If you’re opening it up to cover all time it brings loads in. Regis & Peake for definite. Hutchison. All time midfield 3 for me, that I’ve seen, would be McAllister, McGrath and Powell.
I hear you Cally and it's completely subjective, Powell was just before my time as well!If you’re opening it up to cover all time it brings loads in. Regis & Peake for definite. Hutchison. All time midfield 3 for me, that I’ve seen, would be McAllister, McGrath and Powell.
because he was fucking brilliant Sloth and drove us nearly single handedly with Vik to being 1 kick away from the Prem.Godden - Legend
Fadz - Legend
O’hare - Legend
Kelly - Legend
Unsure why I’m seeing Hamer shouts
RobinsIn the past 15/20 years aside from McFadzean who would you say is a modern day legend, maybe Kelly, Doyle and Julian Gray
In terms of a 3 man midfield I'd go with Hamer, Boateng, Hunt. That's assuming a 4-3-3. I just think Hamer has that special factor as a true 8. Completely realise that very good arguments could me made for other players with very different qualities - just my opinion.
Forwards love Dublin and Wallace. But Gyo in his final season was the most unplayable forward I have seen in the shirt - for me there was another dimension to his game.
I guess you are referring to the play off final?He (Hamer) also cried off with cramp in the moment we needed him most because he was scared to take a penalty. Embarrassing
Agree re McGrath - he wouldn’t have had a career nowadays. McAllister was a lot better than you describe - especially when he linked with Keane.I hear you Cally and it's completely subjective, Powell was just before my time as well!
McGrath was a destroyer but very limited on the ball - not saying he wasn't brilliant at what he did but he didn't have the all round game.
McAllister - came with a huge price tag for the day (the biggest club signing in the UK that year?), underperformed very badly for 2 years and the team actually improved when he was out with Boateng stepping up. He was very improved in the third season but only with Palmer to do the heavy lifting. To be fair he was playing under an awful manager and management team.
In short nearly impossible to compare - and your counter view to mine would be that Mcallister etc. were playing at the top level which I agree is hard for me to defend. I just see Hamer and Vik as two of the most brilliant performers in their positions - might be recent bias as well on my side.
Regis - amazing qualities but I go for Vik for his all round game and domination of defences on his own. Defenders worst nightmare last year.
The more I think about this - the harder to compare eras the game has changed so much.
Wallace was my childhood hero who I had the pleasure to meet last year but I still would place Vik above him in my all time. Very different players in every sense.Wallace must have left before you supported the club
Hamer never played at the top level
Hunt is just random
Steve Hunt would be in my all time 11.Wallace was my childhood hero who I had the pleasure to meet last year but I still would place Vik above him in my all time. Very different players in every sense.
Hamer. I have seen few players in our team who could single handedly drive forward and change the direction of games.
Steve Hunt was in England squads from 1982 and capped in 1984 - not so random and simply one of the best I have seen in midfield.
Only former player to have had a day dedicated to them so gets my vote.Carl Baker
I guess you are referring to the play off final?
If so that's complete nonsense and you could not be more wrong - no further debate required. Haters going to hate I guess for some unknown reason. We have some weird fans.
Fair enough.I’ve probably got my rose tinted spectacles on,as he was one of my favourite players.Like I said he was never really outstanding,but I still feel we need a player with his “qualities”Doyle had one good season with us in reality and was paid a lot of money in his first spell while achieving very little. Robbie Savage had all the “qualities” you describe
I assume your comparing for the levels they played at for us? It's difficult to compare players playing at different levels tbh, even someone like Hadji was obviously a significantly better player than Hamer.Hamer ahead of both McAllister (who wasn’t great for us IMO) and Boateng (who didn’t have the passing or shooting of Hamer) for me. Not enjoyed watching a player so much since Keane.
I assume your comparing for the levels they played at for us? It's difficult to compare players playing at different levels tbh, even someone like Hadji was obviously a significantly better player than Hamer.
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Well Hadji was doing it against Arsenal with players like Henry while Hamer was doing it against a bunch of teams playing in a league where an absolutely shite Sheffield Utd team finished 2nd and bloody Luton Town got promoted. So yes I'd say there's quite a big difference.You say that but is modern day Championship that different from the PL twenty years ago? I’m not so sure. Obviously the quality bar was higher but overall I think the average quality wasn’t a million miles away. There’s only about 10 places between where we finished last season and our average position in the Prem.
I was never massively impressed with Hadji either TBH and a different type of player IIRC. Like McAllister on their career miles ahead but for City alone I’m not so sure.
Hunt is not random, he was absolutel class, you obviously didn't attend games during his spell with us.Wallace must have left before you supported the club
Hamer never played at the top level
Hunt is just random
Well Hadji was doing it against Arsenal with players like Henry while Hamer was doing it against a bunch of teams playing in a league where an absolutely shite Sheffield Utd team finished 2nd and bloody Luton Town got promoted. So yes I'd say there's quite a big difference.
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When Hadji came the influx of foreign internationals into the Premier League was full steam ahead. Hence us getting Hadji I suppose.I dunno, outside the top six I’m not sure the gulf was what it is today. You say Henry I say David Rennie.
When Hadji came the influx of foreign internationals into the Premier League was full steam ahead. Hence us getting Hadji I suppose.
The Championship is much better now sure but don't make me tap the Sheffield Utd and Luton sign again. They are poor sides.
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We weren’t one kick away from the Prem.because he was fucking brilliant Sloth and drove us nearly single handedly with Vik to being 1 kick away from the Prem.
It's not even a debate in my book.
No no I wasn't saying you can't be a club legend, I was just saying it's hard to compare like you were doing against Boateng and McAllister. You absolutely can be one, Robins is certainly one at this point... the players I'm not sure, we've had some important players on our journey back, dunno who I'd call a legend, would have to sit on it for a bit.Thats fair. And as I say they’re definitely better players. I’m just not sure about the argument you can’t be a club legend until you’ve done it in today’s PL because in 19tickety2 Clarence Longbottom scored in the old division one. Quality changes, especially as the game moves on overall. The same argument is levelled at Robins but I don’t accept it. Each manager and player has their own unique set of circumstances that can’t be replicated IMO. And for me I enjoyed watching Hamer more than McAllister, closer with Hadji but I’d say he was less Hollywood than Gus too. Though maybe that’s because the whole team was pretty Hollywood.
Yes, the team had been completely rebuilt due to budget cuts and his quality shone through. I always remember that season as the start of the decline as it quickly became obvious we weren’t going back up anytime soon.His second spell was at this level wasn’t it?
It was my uni years so didn’t get to watch the team much which may explain it.
It really wasn't single handed, that's a complete disservice to other players that contributed heavily and continue to do sobecause he was fucking brilliant Sloth and drove us nearly single handedly with Vik to being 1 kick away from the Prem.
It's not even a debate in my book.
Read the post. I stated with Vik and Hamer we had 2 first class players with the ability to change games. Complete game changers and they don''t come along very often. Without those 2 guys we would not have been near the play offs. It's not a disservice to any other player - one of the key things about last season was team unity and quality in other positions (for example, Doyle). But it's a fact, we had 2 game changers on the pitch.It really wasn't single handed, that's a complete disservice to other players that contributed heavily and continue to do so
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They were both really good players. But we have had players who played at least as well for us in the Premier League in the period you were talking about.Read the post. I stated with Vik and Hamer we had 2 first class players with the ability to change games. Complete game changers and they don''t come along very often. Without those 2 guys we would not have been near the play offs. It's not a disservice to any other player - one of the key things about last season was team unity and quality in other positions (for example, Doyle). But it's a fact, we had 2 game changers on the pitch.
In terms of a 3 man midfield I'd go with Hamer, Boateng, Hunt. That's assuming a 4-3-3. I just think Hamer has that special factor as a true 8. Completely realise that very good arguments could me made for other players with very different qualities - just my opinion.
Forwards love Dublin and Wallace. But Gyo in his final season was the most unplayable forward I have seen in the shirt - for me there was another dimension to his game.
Read the post. I stated with Vik and Hamer we had 2 first class players with the ability to change games. Complete game changers and they don''t come along very often. Without those 2 guys we would not have been near the play offs. It's not a disservice to any other player - one of the key things about last season was team unity and quality in other positions (for example, Doyle). But it's a fact, we had 2 game changers on the pitch.
So you're selecting Gibson as your best ever forward - ahead of Gyo? That's ok as it's impossible to prove across different eras and purely an opinion.Terry Gibson was a game changer in the 80’s and kept us in the top flight
Exactly what I am suggesting and in the modern game, left midfield would be an ideal position for Hunt.Hunt was in reality a left winger - you are suggesting I assume Hamer playing on the right of a 3 with Boatang in the middle. That doesn’t work really.
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