Mean while back in court (10 Viewers)

Liquid Gold · Feb 6, 2016

dongonzalos said:
Sorry been a little busy so can't read everything yet but

This Saga = from the day SISU bought the club to today

Division three
Northampton
Wasps
No stadium
Numerous court actions

Who is more to blame the council or SISU in your opinion?

You could say since the council got involved with the club -

cheated out of freehold ownership
forced due to lack of revenue into selling our portion of ACL
refusing to help the club when in perilous financial position to protect an 'asset'
inviting in an out of town sports team.

you could say the last owners -

sold highfield road and then rented it back at an extortionate rate
vastly underestimated the cleanup of the old gas works
relegated from the prem
£60m debt
alleged dodgy deals

we we're destined to fail with or without sisu because we had hardly any revenue due to the shit situation put onto the club by the last owner and the council.

covmark · Feb 6, 2016

Sick Boy said:
Dongle is quite possibly the greatest troll ever

No, he's just a complete fucking tit.

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Grendel · Feb 6, 2016

dongonzalos said:
Sorry been a little busy so can't read everything yet but

This Saga = from the day SISU bought the club to today

Division three
Northampton
Wasps
No stadium
Numerous court actions

Who is more to blame the council or SISU in your opinion?

The council.

skybluetony176 · Feb 6, 2016

Grendel said:
The council.

How do you work that out?

dongonzalos · Feb 6, 2016

Grendel said:
The council.

Fair play Grendel at least you just come out with it. As oppose to leakage in nearly every post you make. Then make out you hold both sides accountable

dongonzalos · Feb 6, 2016

Nick said:
So if you are proud of their actions you don't think they have done anything wrong, quite simple really.

You can be proud overall but disagree with a few things. However if you disagree with more things they do than less then you are probably going to be against them overall.

The post was two years ago (I think)
So more has come out in the wash since then. However yes overall I agree with their stance from what I have heard so far.

At the moment regarding SISU I like the fact they said now it is important to put bums on seats and are backing TM left right and centre.
Credit where credit is due.
If we get to the championship and do that there. Then we are back to scratch.
However I still feel in this sorry saga their actions are the bigger cause of the overall situation.

dongonzalos · Feb 6, 2016

covmark said:
No, he's just a complete fucking tit.

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Love you too honey x

Grendel · Feb 6, 2016

dongonzalos said:
Fair play Grendel at least you just come out with it. As oppose to leakage in nearly every post you make. Then make out you hold both sides accountable

Oh I misread the question -I thought it was who do blame for sisu being here.

I mostly blame the council for setting an impossible contract which meant the club would always go bankrupt.

Liquid Gold · Feb 6, 2016

Grendel said:
Oh I misread the question -I thought it was who do blame for sisu being here.

I mostly blame the council for setting an impossible contract which meant the club would always go bankrupt.

this

torchomatic · Feb 6, 2016

Sick Boy said:
Dongle is quite possibly the greatest troll ever

Along with Captain Dart and Martcov who only ever post on this subject.

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Grendel · Feb 6, 2016

torchomatic said:
Along with Captain Dart and Martcov who only ever post on this subject.

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Even dancing with horses made a comeback

torchomatic · Feb 6, 2016

dongonzalos said:
Fair play Grendel at least you just come out with it. As oppose to leakage in nearly every post you make. Then make out you hold both sides accountable

You said MORE.

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dongonzalos · Feb 6, 2016

Sick Boy said:
Dongle is quite possibly the greatest troll ever

You mistake someone having the opposite opinion to you as trolling
It's not. It's just a completely different perspective to you.

Grendel · Feb 6, 2016

dongonzalos said:
You mistake someone having the opposite opinion to you as trolling
It's not. It's just a completely different perspective to you.

When people have different opinions to you you accuse them of being the same person.

James Smith · Feb 6, 2016

dongonzalos said:
For me personally whichever way this decision goes it's not that important. I still feel overall SISU take the loin's share of the blame for the overall situation.
.

Best typo of the thread so far.

James Smith · Feb 6, 2016

stupot07 said:
Astute said:

So it is tit for tat then?

Neither illegal but both would be wrong.

Click to expand...

I agree with you, and Wasn't having a go at you. Got shot down when I made a similar point to yours in the during original JR.

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Maybe unlawful is a better word?

dongonzalos · Feb 6, 2016

Grendel said:
When people have different opinions to you you accuse them of being the same person.

You have identical opinions and swear words and timing.
That's why I say you are the same person

dongonzalos · Feb 6, 2016

James Smith said:
Best typo of the thread so far.

Sorry

Nick · Feb 6, 2016

Looks like the pr is getting fired up:

Why should this bother City fans? Well, if you are local tax-payer in Coventry it might concern you that SISU’s wish for ‘substantial damages’ under JR1 and JR2 may, if successful, eventually have to be paid for by you in one form or another.

Grendel · Feb 6, 2016

Nick said:
Looks like the pr is getting fired up:

Why should this bother City fans? Well, if you are local tax-payer in Coventry it might concern you that SISU’s wish for ‘substantial damages’ under JR1 and JR2 may, if successful, eventually have to be paid for by you in one form or another.

Where does that rubbish come from?

Nick · Feb 6, 2016

Grendel said:
Where does that rubbish come from?

Trust email.

Could see miles off how it would be spun...

Astute · Feb 7, 2016

Nick said:
Looks like the pr is getting fired up:

Why should this bother City fans? Well, if you are local tax-payer in Coventry it might concern you that SISU’s wish for ‘substantial damages’ under JR1 and JR2 may, if successful, eventually have to be paid for by you in one form or another.

The thing is thought that it is true. And we are already in times of austerity where cuts are being made to needy services. It might make no difference to you if you don't depend on these services. But a lot of people do.

So what are your preferences? Keep the money where it is needed or give it to faceless investors who have played their part in the clusterfuck that has occurred at our club. I would prefer it if the people involved had to pay and not the needy lose out.

Sick Boy · Feb 7, 2016

Nick said:
Trust email.

Could see miles off how it would be spun...

Hahaha how much lower will they go?

Nick · Feb 7, 2016

Astute said:
The thing is thought that it is true. And we are already in times of austerity where cuts are being made to needy services. It might make no difference to you if you don't depend on these services. But a lot of people do.

So what are your preferences? Keep the money where it is needed or give it to faceless investors who have played their part in the clusterfuck that has occurred at our club. I would prefer it if the people involved had to pay and not the needy lose out.

Of course, I'd rather money be with old people's homes, local charities etc etc.

Is it actually the case though?

It's the way it's being spun, could see it miles off.

It just means if it was to happen at all, it's trying to direct the anger to sisu rather than the council.

We already know supporters direct were working with the pr company last time...

chiefdave · Feb 7, 2016

Nick said:
Trust email.

Could see miles off how it would be spun...

Has the AGM and / or elections taken place?

chiefdave · Feb 7, 2016

Astute said:
The thing is thought that it is true.

Is it? A lot of things need to fall in to place before anyones council tax is being handed over to SISU.

For a start they need to win their case, if that happens the implication is CCC have done something wrong so shouldn't any anger be directed at them?

If they do win the case they then need to make a successful case for compensation.

If they win that then who pays? The judge this week commented that it could be the state and not the council. And if it is the council they should have insurance to cover any compensation awarded.

Astute · Feb 7, 2016

Nick said:
Looks like the pr is getting fired up:

Why should this bother City fans? Well, if you are local tax-payer in Coventry it might concern you that SISU’s wish for ‘substantial damages’ under JR1 and JR2 may, if successful, eventually have to be paid for by you in one form or another.

chiefdave said:
Is it? A lot of things need to fall in to place before anyones council tax is being handed over to SISU.

For a start they need to win their case, if that happens the implication is CCC have done something wrong so shouldn't any anger be directed at them?

If they do win the case they then need to make a successful case for compensation.

If they win that then who pays? The judge this week commented that it could be the state and not the council. And if it is the council they should have insurance to cover any compensation awarded.

As said "may, if successful"

Anger should go to both sides. But the majority of what I see is towards either SISU or CCC. And I also see too much of defending one side or the other. What makes me laugh is when someone says they do it out of fairness.

Nick · Feb 7, 2016

Astute said:
As said "may, if successful"

Anger should go to both sides. But the majority of what I see is towards either SISU or CCC. And I also see too much of defending one side or the other. What makes me laugh is when someone says they do it out of fairness.

If it is state aid, surely that's the councils fault? If it costs the tax payer millions, why would people be angry with sisu? If it was the council who were guilty of it

Astute · Feb 7, 2016

Nick said:
If it is state aid, surely that's the councils fault? If it costs the tax payer millions, why would people be angry with sisu? If it was the council who were guilty of it

Because they have not done things the right way. It is like saying that I shouldn't be angry with CCC for anything if the judgement goes their way. I am angry with both of them for what they have done to our club. And no CCC or SISU PR from people on here will change my mind.

dongonzalos · Feb 7, 2016

Astute said:
The thing is thought that it is true. And we are already in times of austerity where cuts are being made to needy services. It might make no difference to you if you don't depend on these services. But a lot of people do.

So what are your preferences? Keep the money where it is needed or give it to faceless investors who have played their part in the clusterfuck that has occurred at our club. I would prefer it if the people involved had to pay and not the needy lose out.

Astute you are wasting your time. They will never think wider than what settles a petty arguement. They are beyond reason.
I know exactly what you are saying.

dongonzalos · Feb 7, 2016

Nick said:
If it is state aid, surely that's the councils fault? If it costs the tax payer millions, why would people be angry with sisu? If it was the council who were guilty of it

Seriously don't waste your time
It can't be any more obvious,
Look at what it took to maybe get three lords to make a decision. Purely on is state aid or not. Look at what the first judge (a very intelligent man) who got a lot more the stuff thrown at him from both sides concluded.
You are trying to convince someone who had well and truly made their minds up. However they pretend they are impartial.
You are flogging a dead horse my friend.

Nick · Feb 7, 2016

Astute said:
Because they have not done things the right way. It is like saying that I shouldn't be angry with CCC for anything if the judgement goes their way. I am angry with both of them for what they have done to our club. And no CCC or SISU PR from people on here will change my mind.

I'm not saying anything, I'm saying just the state aid. Just that one situation / decision.

It's like saying is the councils fault for maddison being sold...

I'm not saying why would anybody be angry with sisu at all, just why about the state aid / tax payer money if it happened.

Nick · Feb 7, 2016

dongonzalos said:
Seriously don't waste your time
It can't be any more obvious,
Look at what it took to maybe get three lords to make a decision. Purely on is state aid or not. Look at what the first judge (a very intelligent man) who got a lot more the stuff thrown at him from both sides concluded.
You are trying to convince someone who had well and truly made their minds up. However they pretend they are impartial.
You are flogging a dead horse my friend.

Their minds made up about what? I have no idea if it is state aid, if it is then it's purely down to the council.

Surely that's obvious?

Nick · Feb 7, 2016

dongonzalos said:
Astute you are wasting your time. They will never think wider than what settles a petty arguement. They are beyond reason.
I know exactly what you are saying.

Beyond reason about what? We are talking about the jr and state aid.

Nobody is saying why would somebody be angry at sisu for Northampton, they are saying why would they if the council are ruled to have been in the wrong about the state aid stuff?

Simple really. It's really not hard to grasp.

dongonzalos · Feb 7, 2016

Nick said:
I'm not saying anything, I'm saying just the state aid. Just that one situation / decision.

It's like saying is the councils fault for maddison being sold...

I'm not saying why would anybody be angry with sisu at all, just why about the state aid / tax payer money if it happened.

If you use your logic in a debate
It is the council's fault for everything

Maddison's sale
The move to northampton
It raining today
Traffic on the trip to Port Vale.

You spin whatever others say to suggest that their posts are soley about making the council look good.

So whatever you post is purely to make SISU look good. Let's have whatever post you make spun to suggest it is always sbout making SISU look good.

Astute is wasting his time.

If the Government end up paying out and enables SISU to move on without affecting affecting people in Coventry.

That can't be a good thing just because it actually is a good thing can it?

It's just spin to make CCC council look good!!!!

Have a word with yourself Nick.

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