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McGoldrick was NOT offside... (6 Viewers)

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  • Start date Nov 25, 2012
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cyril

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #36
Tomh111 said:
Hate to say it but that is the risk you take by gambling, I didnt loose that much but i lost on both. Its one of those things.
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Disagree. If a horse goes over the line first with no SE you win. If you play roulette and the ball falls out the wheel you don't lose.
Why should shit descisions cost me dough
 

stupot07

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #37
cyril said:
Disagree. If a horse goes over the line first with no SE you win. If you play roulette and the ball falls out the wheel you don't lose.
Why should shit descisions cost me dough
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Because that's football
 

skybluegod

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #38
skybluelee said:
No he wasn't.
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yes he was not largely but he was
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #39
Surely if players make mistakes i.e getting booked/ sent off/ fined etc...

Refs should be punished for making mistakes?

If an official simply does not see it and holds his hands up saying I didn't see it, you can't argue.

But its all this conferring and going back on decisions when they are wrong. We had a ref check with the lino for our goal on tuesday, and thats how it should be.
 
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Tomh111

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #40
cyril said:
Disagree. If a horse goes over the line first with no SE you win. If you play roulette and the ball falls out the wheel you don't lose.
Why should shit descisions cost me dough
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Because that is football, human error is a part of that.
 
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cyril

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #41
Well it should be removed. I've just been to Atlantis to a basket ball tournament. They have three refs plus use technology.
Football betting is massive. The reds need more assistance
 

skybluelee

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #42
skybluegod said:
yes he was not largely but he was
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Just watched again and he is in line. Benefit supposed to go to striker as well.

Agree to disagree. : )
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #43
Tomh111 said:
Because that is football, human error is a part of that.
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That would've been the argument for cricket, tennis, both codes of rugby, American Football before technology was intro'd in them sports. Football needs to move with the times, them 5th and 6th officials was a good idea, but they failed as they do nothing in terms of decision making, even when there has been a clear chance to. Goal line technology and a TMO is the way forward.
 

stupot07

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #44
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
That would've been the argument for cricket, tennis, both codes of rugby, American Football before technology was intro'd in them sports. Football needs to move with the times, them 5th and 6th officials was a good idea, but they failed as they do nothing in terms of decision making, even when there has been a clear chance to. Goal line technology and a TMO is the way forward.
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International cricket teams can make a decision on whether they have the review system, India don't like it so they are not using it n the current test series against England.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #45
stupot07 said:
International cricket teams can make a decision on whether they have the review system, India don't like it so they are not using it n the current test series against England.
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Regardless, the system works and has made cricket better. Football should follow suit.
 
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Tomh111

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #46
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
That would've been the argument for cricket, tennis, both codes of rugby, American Football before technology was intro'd in them sports. Football needs to move with the times, them 5th and 6th officials was a good idea, but they failed as they do nothing in terms of decision making, even when there has been a clear chance to. Goal line technology and a TMO is the way forward.
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I agree that football needs to move with the times but at the minute human error is a part of the game, had a decision gone in our favor to win his bet he would not be mentioning it and that was what my point was.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #47
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
That would've been the argument for cricket, tennis, both codes of rugby, American Football before technology was intro'd in them sports. Football needs to move with the times, them 5th and 6th officials was a good idea, but they failed as they do nothing in terms of decision making, even when there has been a clear chance to. Goal line technology and a TMO is the way forward.
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You have a point about goal line technology, but how far should they take it?

You mentioned cricket, tennis and amercan football. They are not fast flowing like foitball. Cricket stops after each ball is bowled. Tennis stops after each serve when the ball goes out or don't go over the net. American football also stops all the time. Football can carry on for ages without stopping. Should we have several officials looking at screens looking for anything missed by the officials? To what level of football should this be done?

Over the season things should level out. Fans will always complain. Sometimes you can look at things that happen even in slow motion and not be sure what happened. Would you be happy for the game to stop all the time so decisions can be made?
 

stupot07

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #48
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Regardless, the system works and has made cricket better. Football should follow suit.
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It is interesting, baring in mind only PL fixtures tend to have multiple camera angles. Us an and our league one counterparts tend to have 1 grainy picture at our games. Yes that camera angle would have spotted the onside goal but the replay from edges goal vs Colchester was inconclusive, it didn't spot the Leon Clarkes handball for the pen vs Scunthorpe either, etc.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 26, 2012
  • #49
Astute said:
You have a point about goal line technology, but how far should they take it?

You mentioned cricket, tennis and amercan football. They are not fast flowing like foitball. Cricket stops after each ball is bowled. Tennis stops after each serve when the ball goes out or don't go over the net. American football also stops all the time. Football can carry on for ages without stopping. Should we have several officials looking at screens looking for anything missed by the officials? To what level of football should this be done?

Over the season things should level out. Fans will always complain. Sometimes you can look at things that happen even in slow motion and not be sure what happened. Would you be happy for the game to stop all the time so decisions can be made?
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For offsides etc. it'll be hard to implement, maybe a challenge system? (if you score, ruled offside, you challenge, or vice versa) I'm not a techy so it'll be up to them.

For a goal that has supposed to have gone in, if the sensor is in the ball, it'll go off/make a sound in the ref's ear once it has goal gets given, doesn't stop flow of play in the instance. (That was one proposal)

Also, a TMO could watch the game for off the ball incidences that neither Lino or ref has seen.

I'm only guessing, but I think my idea is good. What'd do you think?

stupot07 said:
It is interesting, baring in mind only PL fixtures tend to have multiple camera angles. Us an and our league one counterparts tend to have 1 grainy picture at our games. Yes that camera angle would have spotted the onside goal but the replay from edges goal vs Colchester was inconclusive, it didn't spot the Leon Clarkes handball for the pen vs Sc-unithorpe either, etc.
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If them changes were brought in, I'd imagine there'd be more camera angles etc. I wouldn't know though. Interesting point I have to admit.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #50
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Regardless, the system works and has made cricket better. Football should follow suit.
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Cricket is a very different game. Also I would dispute in some respects it has made it better. Spin bowlers now get some very marginal LBW decisions which would not be made by umpires who have to rely on the naked eye. The other point on review systems is what are they used for and how many reviews can you have? Cricket has a very restricted review useage (2 for Tests) as does Tennis. So even if you could do it it would still have limitations.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #51
Lots of people missing the point! He was not close to being offside! Lost us the 3 points and that's not ok
 
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skyblusam

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #52
ffs yet another thread going off topic. Start a new thread to talk about technology in sports this one is on about McGoldrick. And by the way he was onside
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #53
Grendel said:
Cricket is a very different game. Also I would dispute in some respects it has made it better. Spin bowlers now get some very marginal LBW decisions which would not be made by umpires who have to rely on the naked eye. The other point on review systems is what are they used for and how many reviews can you have? Cricket has a very restricted review useage (2 for Tests) as does Tennis. So even if you could do it it would still have limitations.
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Well, it isn't going to be perfect is it? On the point about spin bowlers, if is a LBW, regardless of how marginal it is, is out.

On challenges in tennis, they would take the mick if they had unlimited challenges, 3 is about right, and remember, if their challenge is correct, it doesn't deduct a challenge so if you use them in the right way, you should have 3/2 after the set. The review system I am not 100% on.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #54
So what should happen if someone wants a review in football?

Should the game stop? Fans would love this if they were on the break and the other side wanted a review. They would lose an excellent chance of scoring. I would bet this would be when most reviews are used.

Oh I hear you say the game should be allowed to stop before doing a review.

A team wants to have a review. The ball doesn't go out of play. Their opponents get the ball and score on the break. Then the review is allowed. Review shows call was good. Goal disallowed

So what would make you the happiest as a fan?

Fast flowing game stopped whilst your team is on the break because reviews allowed?

Watch your team score, celebrate your goal, wait for the review so your opponents can restart the game......review is a close one.....after a min or so find out you didn't score and there is a free kick for something you can't even remember happening

........or leave it as it is.........
 

skybluelee

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #55
Reviews have helped cricket and imo would help football. Rather a small delay in the game and the right decision than no delays and shit decisions.
 

skybluelee

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #56
stupot07 said:
International cricket teams can make a decision on whether they have the review system, India don't like it so they are not using it n the current test series against England.
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Yeah and i bet india are regretting already as there have been some awful umpiring decisions in the series so far. The bcci shouldnt even be given the option not to use drs in anu case.
 

skybluelee

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #57
Grendel said:
Cricket is a very different game. Also I would dispute in some respects it has made it better. Spin bowlers now get some very marginal LBW decisions which would not be made by umpires who have to rely on the naked eye. The other point on review systems is what are they used for and how many reviews can you have? Cricket has a very restricted review useage (2 for Tests) as does Tennis. So even if you could do it it would still have limitations.
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You and the bcci must be about the only people in the world that still have this view. Drs has improved decision making from something like 93% to 98% since its inception and that is fact.

I have yet to speak to a cricket fan who says it hasnt improved the game.

I thought you were supposed to be the oracle on everything?
 

Astute

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #58
skybluelee said:
Reviews have helped cricket and imo would help football. Rather a small delay in the game and the right decision than no delays and shit decisions.
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So answer the one question. When should the game be stopped so a review could be done? Cricket stops after each ball.
 

skybluelee

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #59
Astute said:
So answer the one question. When should the game be stopped so a review could be done? Cricket stops after each ball.
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Similar to cricket. Each team can challenge, say, two refereeing decisions per match. Simple.
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #60
challenges in cricket and nfl usually take no longer than 30 seconds,its really not that much more of a delay of game than players complaining to refs.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #61
skybluelee said:
Similar to cricket. Each team can challenge, say, two refereeing decisions per match. Simple.
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I said when should the review be done, not how many. Should we stop the game to do one? Should we let the game carry on until it stops and then do a review?

There would be problems whichever way it is done. You keep saying cricket. The game of cricket stops after each ball. Football only stops with the ball out of play or when the ref stops it.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #62
Astute said:
So what should happen if someone wants a review in football?

Should the game stop? Fans would love this if they were on the break and the other side wanted a review. They would lose an excellent chance of scoring. I would bet this would be when most reviews are used.

Oh I hear you say the game should be allowed to stop before doing a review.

A team wants to have a review. The ball doesn't go out of play. Their opponents get the ball and score on the break. Then the review is allowed. Review shows call was good. Goal disallowed

So what would make you the happiest as a fan?

Fast flowing game stopped whilst your team is on the break because reviews allowed?

Watch your team score, celebrate your goal, wait for the review so your opponents can restart the game......review is a close one.....after a min or so find out you didn't score and there is a free kick for something you can't even remember happening

........or leave it as it is.........
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If you look at what I said, a review or challenge system would be best implemented for goals (after they have been scored/not scored). For example, Cov score a goal, but it is ruled offside, we challenge, the incidence gets looked at, decision is made. Or Cov concede, we suspect offside, we challenge, decision made. Doesn't interrupt flow of play because a goal stops the game for a good minute of 2 anyway. You with me?

Also, it could mean advantages are made on offsides so a team can challenge the resulting outcome.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #63
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
If you look at what I said, a review or challenge system would be best implemented for goals (after they have been scored/not scored). For example, Cov score a goal, but it is ruled offside, we challenge, the incidence gets looked at, decision is made. Or Cov concede, we suspect offside, we challenge, decision made. Doesn't interrupt flow of play because a goal stops the game for a good minute of 2 anyway. You with me?

Also, it could mean advantages are made on offsides so a team can challenge the resulting outcome.
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Ball might have crossed line, goal not given. Review asked for. Should game be stopped or not?


Game stopped before ball goes out of play......no goal......restart game somehow
Team going forward. other team claim a review....game has to stop for review. Good chance lost.
Game not stopped.......defending side go forward and score..fans celebrate....review done.......1st goal given :slap: What a way of bringing the fans together
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #64
Astute said:
Ball might have crossed line, goal not given. Review asked for. Should game be stopped or not?


Game stopped before ball goes out of play......no goal......restart game somehow
Team going forward. other team claim a review....game has to stop for review. Good chance lost.
Game not stopped.......defending side go forward and score..fans celebrate....review done.......1st goal given :slap: What a way of bringing the fans together
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The proposal for goal line tech (i read) is a sensor in the ball, which will make a sound in the refs earpiece if it goes over, doesn't interrupt play at all as he'll hear the noise, give the goal.

Offsides I don't think are on the table, that'll be left to human error
 
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cyril

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #65
Astute. Change your name
 

Astute

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #66
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
The proposal for goal line tech (i read) is a sensor in the ball, which will make a sound in the refs earpiece if it goes over, doesn't interrupt play at all as he'll hear the noise, give the goal.

Offsides I don't think are on the table, that'll be left to human error
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But it is offside/not offside that is wrong the most.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #67
cyril said:
Astute. Change your name
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What to?

Cyril2 sounds good
 

Astute

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #68
Or how about handball/not handball

Foul/not a foul

Ball in play/not in play

How far do we take it?

If we were to go with referals I would agree with when the game had stopped with the decision, but not a decision where the game carries on. It would cause too many problems. It just isn't cricket
 
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cyril

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #69
Just Penalties and disallowed goals ( possible straight reds) Why you have to be so obstropoulos???
 

Astute

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  • Nov 27, 2012
  • #70
cyril said:
Just Penalties and disallowed goals ( possible straight reds) Why you have to be so obstropoulos???
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This is my point. A pen or goal isn't given. The game continues. Your team goes from defensive to offensive. You score a goal. Then they check the video. It should have been a pen or a goal. You go from 1-0 up to 1-0 down. Or they stop play to check the video. You are on a counter attack. 3against 1 in your favour. Ref was right first time, but you have lost a good chance of scoring.

Would this be better than losing out on the occasional bad decision?

As I have said it could work in situations where the game has already stopped, but how far could we take it before it ruins the game?
 
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