Matchday Costs at the Ricoh - What do you get? (1 Viewer)

[Grendel]

Other than it's the only viable option financially for the club this season CCfc??

As we are not been liquidated it clearly isn't the only viable option.

 

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[ccfcway]

Are you suggesting that for an 'a' game we'll play our more expensive players, but if you attend a 'd' game you'd be watching sky blue Sam up front? Did we still have category games anyway?

would certainly explain £9 a game to see Jordan Clarke up front

 

[shmmeee]

As we are not been liquidated it clearly isn't the only viable option.

Not yet.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

So basically you're suggesting that ACL will be making a profit on match day costs, by charging the maximum they can, on top of the extortionate rent we were already paying?


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My response was about different prices for non ccfc games compared to ccfc games, but I would be surprised if any company whose job is to increase shareholder wealth didn't charge the maximum they can. With regard to a match day cost deal I imagine they would charge the maximum they can within the terms agreed, especially as they know they are offering a great deal on the rental side.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

I'd say on the face if it, without knowing all the details then yes it looks a fair deal but I can't really blame the club for not wanting to work with ACL after they knowingly ripped us off for so many years

I define the term 'ripped off' more as things like a contractor saying unnecessary work needs doing, or charging for work that hasn't been done. Charging a rent that has been agreed, and supplying what was agreed as part of the rent isn't what I would call ripped off.

When I see something that I don't think is good value I usually decide against buying, if I later see that same thing at a discount I don't refuse to buy it just because I thought it was too expensive before.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Yes but if that is true the club knowingly were being ripped off and did nothing about it some business vehicle that is. No wonder that is why we are in the shit.
we don't even have any category "home" games anymore they are all pay what you want.

I'd say on the face if it, without knowing all the details then yes it looks a fair deal but I can't really blame the club for not wanting to work with ACL after they knowingly ripped us off for so many years

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Yes but you are normal....

I define the term 'ripped off' more as things like a contractor saying unnecessary work needs doing, or charging for work that hasn't been done. Charging a rent that has been agreed, and supplying what was agreed as part of the rent isn't what I would call ripped off.

When I see something that I don't think is good value I usually decide against buying, if I later see that same thing at a discount I don't refuse to buy it just because I thought it was too expensive before.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I define the term 'ripped off' more as things like a contractor saying unnecessary work needs doing, or charging for work that hasn't been done. Charging a rent that has been agreed, and supplying what was agreed as part of the rent isn't what I would call ripped off.

When I see something that I don't think is good value I usually decide against buying, if I later see that same thing at a discount I don't refuse to buy it just because I thought it was too expensive before.

If I'm buying an item and don't know its true value and I pay £1000 for it, then I find the same item for £100 would I feel ripped off by the seller? Yes I would

I agree we only have ourselves to blame for agreeing to it but then what annoys me is when people make ACL out to be heroes and that they have the clubs best interests at heart when this is clearly a lie, they are only interested in themselves and have proved it in the past. (Admittedly there is no problem with ACL only being in it for themselves, but then ACL try to come out and kid us that they want the best for the club and the number of people who lap it up is laughable.)

If it's a choice between ACL going bust which gets us ownership of the Ricoh or the club continuing to play in Northampton and then building a tin pot stadium then I would choose ACL to go bust 100/100 times, unfortunately it seems not all Cov fans would choose this. If there is a deal to be done which can see both be successful and benefit, then great but as no such deal has been done yet I doubt such a deal is possible.

 

[italiahorse]

If I'm buying an item and don't know its true value and I pay £1000 for it, then I find the same item for £100 would I feel ripped off by the seller? Yes I would

I agree we only have ourselves to blame for agreeing to it but then what annoys me is when people make ACL out to be heroes and that they have the clubs best interests at heart when this is clearly a lie, they are only interested in themselves and have proved it in the past. (Admittedly there is no problem with ACL only being in it for themselves, but then ACL try to come out and kid us that they want the best for the club and the number of people who lap it up is laughable.)

If it's a choice between ACL going bust which gets us ownership of the Ricoh or the club continuing to play in Northampton and then building a tin pot stadium then I would choose ACL to go bust 100/100 times, unfortunately it seems not all Cov fans would choose this. If there is a deal to be done which can see both be successful and benefit, then great but as no such deal has been done yet I doubt such a deal is possible.

We being Sisu because CCFC will never own the Ricoh.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

But ACL are just a management company they don't own the ricoh?

If I'm buying an item and don't know its true value and I pay £1000 for it, then I find the same item for £100 would I feel ripped off by the seller? Yes I would

I agree we only have ourselves to blame for agreeing to it but then what annoys me is when people make ACL out to be heroes and that they have the clubs best interests at heart when this is clearly a lie, they are only interested in themselves and have proved it in the past. (Admittedly there is no problem with ACL only being in it for themselves, but then ACL try to come out and kid us that they want the best for the club and the number of people who lap it up is laughable.)

If it's a choice between ACL going bust which gets us ownership of the Ricoh or the club continuing to play in Northampton and then building a tin pot stadium then I would choose ACL to go bust 100/100 times, unfortunately it seems not all Cov fans would choose this. If there is a deal to be done which can see both be successful and benefit, then great but as no such deal has been done yet I doubt such a deal is possible.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

But ACL are just a management company they don't own the ricoh?

Yes but in a recent interview with Labovitch it was suggested that the 40 year lease of ACL was a stumbling block in negotiations with the council, they want ACL out of the equation as part of a deal with the council over the stadium. That was the general gist I got from the interview with Labovitch recently that any deal would be easier without the existence of ACL.

Nobody seems to want a new stadium so I can only assume everyone would prefer us to go back to being ACLs bitches and nicely doing as we're told.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Yes but if that is true the club knowingly were being ripped off and did nothing about it some business vehicle that is. No wonder that is why we are in the shit.
we don't even have any category "home" games anymore they are all pay what you want.

Terrible mismanagement of the club, but the logic that we should continue to be ripped off because we went with it for the previous years is crazy for a supporter of the club


The best solution would be if both SISU and ACL fucked off tomorrow into the abyss, neither of them to be ever mentioned again. Not going to happen though

 

[Noggin]

Yes but in a recent interview with Labovitch it was suggested that the 40 year lease of ACL was a stumbling block in negotiations with the council, they want ACL out of the equation as part of a deal with the council over the stadium. That was the general gist I got from the interview with Labovitch recently that any deal would be easier without the existence of ACL.

Nobody seems to want a new stadium so I can only assume everyone would prefer us to go back to being ACLs bitches and nicely doing as we're told.

sisu cant negotiate with the council to play at or buy (with the right to play at) the ricoh, so of course acl are the stumbling block and will remain so for the next 40 years, if sisu want rid of acl they have to buy them simple as that. The council for the next 40 years are not able to sell the rights to play there.

Sisu know this, Labovich knows this, their request to buy the ricoh without acl there is impossible and they know this so it's clearly a deflection, unfortunately stupid people fall for this nonsense.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

sisu cant negotiate with the council to play at or buy (with the right to play at) the ricoh, so of course acl are the stumbling block and will remain so for the next 40 years, if sisu want rid of acl they have to buy them simple as that. The council for the next 40 years are not able to sell the rights to play there.

Sisu know this, Labovich knows this, their request to buy the ricoh without acl there is impossible and they know this so it's clearly a deflection, unfortunately stupid people fall for this nonsense.

I'll be the first to admit I have limited knowledge on how business and the stadium ownership works and it doesn't help with all the contradictions and spin from all sides but surely if what you are saying is true then ACL going bust would make a deal for the Ricoh more viable? Then like I said originally, if this is what it takes to get back to the Ricoh then I would take it 100/100 times. I appear to be in the minority though, most seem to like the idea of going back to how it was.

 

[Noggin]

I'll be the first to admit I have limited knowledge on how business and the stadium ownership works and it doesn't help with all the contradictions and spin from all sides but surely if what you are saying is true then ACL going bust would make a deal for the Ricoh more viable? Then like I said originally, if this is what it takes to get back to the Ricoh then I would take it 100/100 times. I appear to be in the minority though, most seem to like the idea of going back to how it was.

It's not complicated, just the spin from sisu is making it so.

The council own the physical bricks and morter, they have sold the rights for the next 40 years to use the land and bricks and mortor to acl, so the council can sell the stadium but that doesn't get you anything untill 40 years time.

ACL going bust doesn't fix anything, they would go into administration and then the administrator would try and sell acl to someone, if no one brought them he/she would sell their assets, the main one being the rights to the arena.

If sisu want to play football at the ricoh arena in the next 40 years they have to buy acl, if acl were to go into administration that might allow sisu to buy them more cheaply but they would still need to buy them.

All sisus talk of buying the freehold, of negotiating a 100 year lease with the council, none of it is possible (well you can buy it but it wont let you play football there), it's just spin and nonsense, all the complaints at Ann Lucas are silly. If they were trying to buy ACL and the council wouldn't sell their half of acl then that would be a reason to complain at the council, but as it stands none of the stuff sisu are demanding from the council are within the councils power to do, the council can not sell the rights to play at the ricoh arena for 40 years. the council do of course half own a company that does have the right to play there though.

 

[Noggin]

It was the same as when there was talk of sisu buying brandon, it was always going to be nonsense because if you own Brandon you can't play football there because someone already owns the rights to run speedway there, you'd have to wait for this right to run out, or buy out the company that has the right.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

It's not complicated, just the spin from sisu is making it so.

The council own the physical bricks and morter, they have sold the rights for the next 40 years to use the land and bricks and mortor to acl, so the council can sell the stadium but that doesn't get you anything untill 40 years time.

ACL going bust doesn't fix anything, they would go into administration and then the administrator would try and sell acl to someone, if no one brought them he/she would sell their assets, the main one being the rights to the arena.

If sisu want to play football at the ricoh arena in the next 40 years they have to buy acl, if acl were to go into administration that might allow sisu to buy them more cheaply but they would still need to buy them.

All sisus talk of buying the freehold, of negotiating a 100 year lease with the council, none of it is possible (well you can buy it but it wont let you play football there), it's just spin and nonsense, all the complaints at Ann Lucas are silly. If they were trying to buy ACL and the council wouldn't sell their half of acl then that would be a reason to complain at the council, but as it stands none of the stuff sisu are demanding from the council are within the councils power to do, the council can not sell the rights to play at the ricoh arena for 40 years. the council do of course half own a company that does have the right to play there though.

Thanks for the informative post, at the end of the day it still looks like nearly the same situation to me. To get rid of ACL, the club either need to buy out ACL or purchase the rights to the Ricoh from ACL, which in all honesty ACL will never do. So if ACL would go into administration, then the club could purchase ACL and the rights to the Ricoh on the cheap (Who else would want to bid against them?) which would be what they wanted. If ACL went into administration and it led to us getting the rights to the Ricoh on the cheap, I would be pleased with that.


I'm still probably completely missing something but nevermind, I'll just go back to following the crowd and posting SISU OUT and supporting ACL and then we can all be happy.