It hasn’t been dropped cause of entrapment , she sold her soul for the money . They are now married with a kidAudio of what? You don’t know how they normally talk to each other and what role play they do when having sex. It can’t be proven that’s the problem with it. It wouldn't get through court that’s why it’s been dropped as it can be argued it’s entrapment. He probably had done it to some extent but that means nothing as it wouldn’t get through a court.
WHO?And I got posts deleted for taking the piss out of Martin Warren
Fake news.Everything I’ve written Grendel DM’d me and asked me to say it…..
Your behind the times. CPS released thisFalse.
CPS agreed charges so it had already "got through the court". It didn't go to trial because their case collapsed when victim withdrew support and took all of her evidence with her.
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So if she lied why do you want him to get in trouble?That new information that came to light could be a retraction statement from victim stating that she lied in her original statement which of course is "New information" that completely undermines the case.
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Take Mason Greenwood out of it.
If you seen a story on the news where a random bloke had been accused of something but then later cleared. Do you think he should be able to keep the current job he’s in. Yes or No?
I hope you are jokingThis is the thing, no one really knows. Not convicted and no proved evidence whether he did everything or not so not sure how a man can be hung out to dry.
So why was i getting poo emojis from the forum when I said she isn't the best soul?Because she didn't lie clearly.
The lie came in her retraction statement when she said she lied in her original but by that point, she has either lied in her original or lied in retraction, either way, she is now a confirmed liar and has undermined the whole case.
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I can't comment on her character, but just because she was pressured into lying to get him off the hook doesn't necessarily mean she is not of good stock. She is likely vulnerable, still loves him and doesn't want to end his career.
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But no one has zero proof that she was pressured.I can't comment on her character, but just because she was pressured into lying to get him off the hook doesn't necessarily mean she is not of good stock. She is likely vulnerable, still loves him and doesn't want to end his career.
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Because you have no fucking basis for that argument.So why was i getting poo emojis from the forum when I said she isn't the best soul?
If you're reliant on the law to determine your moral compass, you're fucked mate.But no one has zero proof that she was pressured.
Look I am playing devil's advocate a bit here but I just don't understand how so many people can ignore facts.
Letter of law he isn't guilty. Despite what we all think(me included). But no one knows for sure.
Because you have no fucking basis for that argument.
Domestic abuse is complicated, victims are often gaslighted and manipulated. They're convinced by their attackers they didn't mean it, that they were at fault and will change.
What has she gained out of the situation? What possible upside was there for her coming out and releasing the frankly harrowing audio of someone saying they'll rape her?
This case is further complicated by the fact that she is now pregnant by him, so she would be prosecuting the father of her unborn child.
The vast media scrutiny of the case, of her and her family. The social media abuse, the inevitable uproar and backlash against her, will have all contributed to her decisions.
He hasn’t been found not guiltyBut no one has zero proof that she was pressured.
Look I am playing devil's advocate a bit here but I just don't understand how so many people can ignore facts.
Letter of law he isn't guilty. Despite what we all think(me included). But no one knows for sure.
Wherever the "New Information" came from, it was not from defence unless you believe his career and reputation has been wasting away all for the sucker punch of providing an alibi 16 months after arrest?
It's been provided by victim who by now was pregnant with his child and pressured to drop because he wouldn't abide by bail conditions.
I know your just playing devil's advocate but trust me when I say you are way off with this one.
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Worth a look...I can't comment on her character, but just because she was pressured into lying to get him off the hook doesn't necessarily mean she is not of good stock. She is likely vulnerable, still loves him and doesn't want to end his career.
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But no one has zero proof that she was pressured.
Look I am playing devil's advocate a bit here but I just don't understand how so many people can ignore facts.
Letter of law he isn't guilty. Despite what we all think(me included). But no one knows for sure.
He wasn’t cleared of all charges. His partner withdrew support for the prosecution as funnily enough she was pregnant with his child, classic coercive control by him and very common in domestic violence relationships.In a statement, Greenwood said: “I understand that people will judge me because of what they have seen and heard on social media, and I know people will think the worst. I was brought up to know that violence or abuse ... is wrong, I did not do the things I was accused of, and in February I was cleared of all charges [the charges were actually dropped by the CPS when key witnesses withdrew their involvement and new material came to light].
“However, I fully accept I made mistakes ... and I take my share of responsibility for the situations which led to the social media post. I am learning to understand my responsibilities to set a good example as a professional footballer, and I’m focused on the big responsibility of being a father.”
You do realise you are just saying the same thing I am? That the withdrawal of the victims support is not the reason the case was dropped, it was the lack of alternative evidenceFalse.
Victimless prosecutions can and do happen but they still need evidence. A domestic abuse victim who has taken a beating and there are witness statements, CCTV or police body worn cameras, this can be run victimless if it is deemed in the public interest and not to the detriment of the victims safety on the basis of the supporting evidence.
With this case, the ONLY evidence was from her, provided by her and exhibited by her. As soon as she walked, so did the evidence and any realistic prospect of conviction.
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It isn’t the letter of the law
This is so depressing
Look at the Ched Evans case. The abuse of privilege and power was all to see there. It ended with the complainant destroyed
The power of Mason greenwood and his highly paid legal team would just make it impossible for her to carry on.
You have an individual here whose clearly suffered abuse and been coerced into submission and no longer has a voice
It’s just incredible to me how the forum is keen to protect Martin Warren but allows @hamertime to peddle some very disturbing opinions
She’s loves him mate. Can’t be all bad can he.
Complete agree and support this view (and I’m a prosecutor)I should probably disclose at this point that I am a detective within the domestic abuse team for the last 9 years.
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We don’t have a threshold percentage in order to deem a case “a realistic prospect of conviction” but everything else here is accurate. As for the victim we could have theoretically run the trial either through hearsay or asking her to attend as a hostile witness, however the public interest test just would not be met.Her face is shown in one of the videos...
He was arrested soon after said video and was found to have the injuries consistent with the photos and videos.
CPS lawyers reviewed the case and authorised charges for Assault ABH, Controlling and Coercive, and attempt Rape. You need more than just the victims say so to get CPS charges, whose threshold for a realistic prospect of conviction is 70%+. The main indicator of foul play, though, is that of the charge of Controlling and Coercive. You need a body of evidence that is quite substantial to show that his control over her affected her everyday life, and the bar can usually be quite high in this area.
As a bonus, he was further arrested for breach of his bail conditions, so he clearly had been contacting the victim and likely pressured her to drop charges.
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What, a view that someone is innocent until proven guilty?It isn’t the letter of the law
This is so depressing
Look at the Ched Evans case. The abuse of privilege and power was all to see there. It ended with the complainant destroyed
The power of Mason greenwood and his highly paid legal team would just make it impossible for her to carry on.
You have an individual here whose clearly suffered abuse and been coerced into submission and no longer has a voice
It’s just incredible to me how the forum is keen to protect Martin Warren but allows @hamertime to peddle some very disturbing opinions
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