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clint van damme

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #631
no manager gets it 100% right in the transfer market.
Problem is, when money's tight and you get your marquee signing wrong you're in trouble, as Strachan found out.
 
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Adge

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #632
Ring Of Steel said:
The day that Mark Robins came back was the start of the upswing. 23rd in League One under Russell Slade was the nadir. Never before has there been so much apathy, such a disconnect between club & fans and such constant garbage shown on the pitch week after week.
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Now that is definitely something that everyone will agree on!
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #633
Adge said:
Now that is definitely something that everyone will agree on!
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I’d say it was worse under Hills dying days as chairman and that infamous Ipswich game
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #634
Grendel said:
I’d say it was worse under Hills dying days as chairman and that infamous Ipswich game
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It was bad then but if we could have swapped our problems in early 2017 for our problems then, we'd have taken it.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #635
Ring Of Steel said:
It was bad then but if we could have swapped our problems in early 2017 for our problems then, we'd have taken it.
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Im talking about breakdown in relations which is what you quoted.

To my knowledge fans weren’t chasing players after the game to attack their car, players weren’t openly laughing at the fans as they were losing the game and bragging where they were going to and although a slightly different time frame fans weren’t chanting for the death of the chairman
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #636
Grendel said:
Im talking about breakdown in relations which is what you quoted.

To my knowledge fans weren’t chasing players after the game to attack their car, players weren’t openly laughing at the fans as they were losing the game and bragging where they were going to and although a slightly different time frame fans weren’t chanting for the death of the chairman
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That was only one part of what I said. We were still a top division team.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #637
Ring Of Steel said:
That was only one part of what I said. We were still a top division team.
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Which actually makes it harder. Starting at lowest ebbs is a distinct advantage in many ways
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #638
Grendel said:
Which actually makes it harder. Starting at lowest ebbs is a distinct advantage in many ways
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Definitely. So far, Robins has 2 achievements. Winning a Checkatrade final and coming 6th in league 2.

The Checkatrade final was a good win but it was a one off game.

The league 2 season wasn’t actually that great until we hammered Cheltenham. We were poor throughout lots of it and had some embarrassing results. You can’t rank this achievement as no other manager has ever had the chance to manage us in league 2. Specifically, when our budget dictates we should be one of the leagues best sides.

I love robins but he has had favourable circumstances.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #639
Grendel said:
Which actually makes it harder. Starting at lowest ebbs is a distinct advantage in many ways
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Oh yes, a huge advantage, so it’s a bit strange how it’s taken so long for other clubs of our stature to climb back through the leagues.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #640
Ring Of Steel said:
Oh yes, a huge advantage, so it’s a bit strange how it’s taken so long for other clubs of our stature to climb back through the leagues.
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We haven’t climbed back through the leagues. We’ve achieved one promotion through the play offs.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #641
ccfchoi87 said:
Definitely. So far, Robins has 2 achievements. Winning a Checkatrade final and coming 6th in league 2.

The Checkatrade final was a good win but it was a one off game.

The league 2 season wasn’t actually that great until we hammered Cheltenham. We were poor throughout lots of it and had some embarrassing results. You can’t rank this achievement as no other manager has ever had the chance to manage us in league 2. Specifically, when our budget dictates we should be one of the leagues best sides.

I love robins but he has had favourable circumstances.
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Yes, I bet he has literally been chomping at the bit at having no ground, having to generate any funds himself & knowing he’ll only get a portion of those funds, having one of the smaller budgets and inheriting an unholy mess from his predecessors.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #642
ccfchoi87 said:
We haven’t climbed back through the leagues. We’ve achieved one promotion through the play offs.
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Which is why I have said all along it’s if he does it again.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #643
Ring Of Steel said:
Oh yes, a huge advantage, so it’s a bit strange how it’s taken so long for other clubs of our stature to climb back through the leagues.
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We went through this. It’s really only Portsmouth - it’s definitely easier to be at the bottom

I was too work in regional management. I would move from area to area as I convinced my director I could transform the worst region every two years. It was a piece of piss. I got the best bonuses and outstanding performance ratings as the bar of expectation was low. If you are in the top league you can only go one way
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #644
Ring Of Steel said:
Yes, I bet he has literally been chomping at the bit at having no ground, having to generate any funds himself & knowing he’ll only get a portion of those funds, and inheriting an unholy mess from his predecessors.
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Robins hates the set up at the Ricoh and believes St Andrews is certainly no less having a ground than being there.

He’s also the only manager to my knowledge for a decade that’s been allowed to spend any funds from player sales
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #645
Grendel said:
We went through this. It’s really only Portsmouth - it’s definitely easier to be at the bottom

I was too work in regional management. I would move from area to area as I convinced my director I could transform the worst region every two years. It was a piece of piss. I got the best bonuses and outstanding performance ratings as the bar of expectation was low. If you are in the top league you can only go one way
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piece of piss, that must be why so many get sacked from this “easy job” I guess.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #646
Ring Of Steel said:
Yes, I bet he has literally been chomping at the bit at having no ground, having to generate any funds himself & knowing he’ll only get a portion of those funds, having one of the smaller budgets and inheriting an unholy mess from his predecessors.
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The ground situation has helped him.

All of our managers have had to generate funds. He is one of the only ones of recent years to have been allowed to spend it.

We had a big budget for league 2. Our budget this year will not be small. Whatever you want to define a ‘budget’ as anyway.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #647
Ring Of Steel said:
piece of piss, that must be why so many get sacked from this “easy job” I guess.
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Getting sacked sets managers up - set the bar low and it’s easier to be a hero
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #648
Grendel said:
as the bar of expectation was low
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I get that from a business perspective, but every time we dropped a division the bar of expectation got raised higher by our support base.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #649
Grendel said:
Robins hates the set up at the Ricoh and believes St Andrews is certainly no less having a ground than being there.

He’s also the only manager to my knowledge for a decade that’s been allowed to spend any funds from player sales
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We will forget Cody McDonald, Chris Dunn etc
Grendel said:
Getting sacked sets managers up - set the bar low and it’s easier to be a hero
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Tell that to the other managers we’ve had, they’d love to hear how it was all set up for them.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #650
ccfchoi87 said:
The ground situation has helped him.

All of our managers have had to generate funds. He is one of the only ones of recent years to have been allowed to spend it.

We had a big budget for league 2. Our budget this year will not be small. Whatever you want to define a ‘budget’ as anyway.
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It would be quite interesting to see where our playing budget lies in comparison to the rest of League One. Looking at the size of teams in the league I bet it's higher than people think.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #651
SkyBlueCRJ said:
It would be quite interesting to see where our playing budget lies in the comparison to the rest of League One. Looking at the size of teams in the league I bet it's higher than people think.
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Someone said it’s about average, but I have no idea if that’s true.
But as Darren Moore said, this is a team 3 years in the making, it’s not about money signings, it’s about having a game plan, a structure and getting the right players to fit it. In other words, excellent football management.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #652
SkyBlueCRJ said:
It would be quite interesting to see where our playing budget lies in the comparison to the rest of League One. Looking at the size of teams in the league I bet it's higher than people think.
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What other teams would have £750k to spend on a striker? I think we’ve proven that we have more funds that Burton and Doncaster (play off chasers) by signing Fadz, Allen and Marosi. We’ve also plucked players from the top Dutch league who assume aren’t cheap.

You’re right, it might even be higher than I first thought
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #653
Ring Of Steel said:
Someone said it’s about average, but I have no idea if that’s true.
But as Darren Moore said, this is a team 3 years in the making, it’s not about money signings, it’s about having a game plan, a structure and getting the right players to fit it. In other words, excellent football management.
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How many of our last starting 11 were here 3 years ago?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #654
ccfchoi87 said:
How many of our last starting 11 were here 3 years ago?
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Shipley and Kelly?

You could through the 18 and add Biamou that’s it I think
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #655
ccfchoi87 said:
How many of our last starting 11 were here 3 years ago?
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Like I just said, and was said by Darren Moore who I’d venture to suggest knows a bit more than you, it’s the way of playing, we buy players to fit our style and way of playing, Robins doesn’t just buy because of who they are. It’s really not hard to understand.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #656
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Shipley and Kelly?

You could through the 18 and add Biamou that’s it I think
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Hyam? Still it’s hardly a team 3 years in the making.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #657
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Shipley and Kelly?

You could through the 18 and add Biamou that’s it I think
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I think he means relegation season so Jones and I guess Shipley as a youth player
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #658
Ring Of Steel said:
Like I just said, and was said by Darren Moore who is venture to suggest knows a bit more than you, it’s the way of playing, we buy players to fit our style and way of playing, Robins doesn’t just buy because of who they are. It’s really not hard to understand.
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We play a completely different system now to the one we started the season with. That was different to the system we played last year. The system last year was totally different to the league 2 season.

And btw Darren Moore is wrong.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #659
Ring Of Steel said:
Like I just said, and was said by Darren Moore who I’d venture to suggest knows a bit more than you, it’s the way of playing, we buy players to fit our style and way of playing, Robins doesn’t just buy because of who they are. It’s really not hard to understand.
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Why did he buy Kastaneer and Jobello then? How does Bakayoko or Hiwula fit into his pre ordained system
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #660
covcity4life said:
Yet remember it more fondly than others simply because of checkatrade trophy win
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Still don't make up for the toxic atmosphere Home and away all season! Really was horrendous.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #661
ccfchoi87 said:
We play a completely different system now to the one we started the season with. That was different to the system we played last year. The system last year was totally different to the league 2 season.

And btw Darren Moore is wrong.
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Also, I’m not knocking Robins for this. It is important to evolve and be flexible. Darren Moore however, is talking shite.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #662
ccfchoi87 said:
What other teams would have £750k to spend on a striker? I think we’ve proven that we have more funds that Burton and Doncaster (play off chasers) by signing Fadz, Allen and Marosi. We’ve also plucked players from the top Dutch league who assume aren’t cheap.

You’re right, it might even be higher than I first thought
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Ipswich had net spend of £630k, Peterborough £140k, they’re the only two to have spent more than they generated. Burton, Bolton, Blackpool, Fleetwood, Gillingham , Accrington, Bristol Rovers, Wycombe, Shrewsbury, Southend, Lincoln, MK, Tranmere all £0, we have net cash in of £1.25m, Rotherham net cash in of £3m, Portsmouth £4m, Sunderland £1.75m, Doncaster £1.5m

you can see it all on transfermarket.co.uk
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #663
ccfchoi87 said:
We play a completely different system now to the one we started the season with. That was different to the system we played last year. The system last year was totally different to the league 2 season.

And btw Darren Moore is wrong.
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course he is
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #664
Ring Of Steel said:
Ipswich had net spend of £630k, Peterborough £140k, they’re the only two to have spent more than they generated. Burton, Bolton, Blackpool, Fleetwood, Gillingham , Accrington, Bristol Rovers, Wycombe, Shrewsbury, Southend, Lincoln, MK, Tranmere all £0, we have net cash in of £1.25m, Rotherham net cash in of £3m, Portsmouth £4m, Sunderland £1.75m, Doncaster £1.5m

you can see it all on transfermarket.co.uk
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Transmarkt is pure guesswork unfortunately.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 22, 2020
  • #665
Ring Of Steel said:
Ipswich had net spend of £630k, Peterborough £140k, they’re the only two to have spent more than they generated. Burton, Bolton, Blackpool, Fleetwood, Gillingham , Accrington, Bristol Rovers, Wycombe, Shrewsbury, Southend, Lincoln, MK, Tranmere all £0, we have net cash in of £1.25m, Rotherham net cash in of £3m, Portsmouth £4m, Sunderland £1.75m, Doncaster £1.5m

you can see it all on transfermarket.co.uk
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Transfermrkt values Godden at £45,000 when we bought him a few months ago for £750,000
 
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