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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #351
Magwitch said:
But never played the successful if a bit unusual Regis/ Houchen partnership together again after the FA Cup final. I could say a lot about Speedie who was a terrific talent but would argue was he the right partner for big Cyrillie. Sill also signed Painter, Bannister, Drinkell, Martin Lane, Kevan Smith. But he give us our greatest moment which I doubt would have happened without his motivation skills.
Question when Curtis stepped aside who replaced him ?
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I half agree with you- his signings you're right. Houchen- I never thought he was quite top level material, and I don't think Curtis did much at all in the dressing room apart from be part of the double act and be the resident hard man. I give Sillett 95% credit for 86/87.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #352
Ring Of Steel said:
But they didn't. Just say it, you were wrong.
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They couldn’t as promotion and those trophies weren’t available
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #353
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Micky Adams got us to 8th in the Championship
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By playing the most unattractive football we saw in many years, and then he was given money and royally spunked it all up the wall.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #354
Ring Of Steel said:
By playing the most unattractive football we saw in many years, and then he was given money and royally spunked it all up the wall.
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Yes that must cancel out his achievement then because his team didn’t play 800 passes a game

Football is a results business
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #355
Grendel said:
They couldn’t as promotion and those trophies weren’t available
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Robins did, nobody else did. Facts kind of matter when you're stacking up achievements of managers, you don't have anywhere to go. Already Robins can put his achievements up against virtually every manager we've ever had and come out on top, if he goes one better then that just solidifies it.

Your agenda is clear- you wanted him booted out the door and you're not man enough to concede you were wrong.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #356
Got to say I don’t buy the “higher level” argument. Budgets and expectations scale.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #357
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Yes that must cancel it out his achievement then that his teams didn’t play 800 passes a game
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How many promotions did Adams take us to?

Use whatever measure you want, Robins -> Adams.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #358
Ring Of Steel said:
How many promotions did Adams take us to?

Use whatever measure you want, Robins -> Adams.
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8th in the Championship is a better achievement than 6th in League 2
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #359
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Yes that must cancel out his achievement then because his team didn’t play 800 passes a game

Football is a results business
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Football is a results business.

Then you agree that 2 promotions & one cup would overcome an 8th place finish followed by meltdown and a sacking. Agreed.
 

harvey098

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #360
Forgetting the sales of our youth products like (Maddison, Stevenson, Bayliss, Wilson, Bigi, Harries etc)... How many players have we bought in and sold for a profit in the last 5/6 years?

Vincelot? - That money was reinvested (badly)
Sordell? - That money was reinvested (badly)

It seems to me that when a manager generates their own profit on a player they are given some of it back.

People saying "no other managers were given £750k to spend on Godden". No but he's built that up from getting McNulty on a free and selling him. Using half that money to buy Chaplin and sell him. Use some of that money to buy Godden. It all started from a free transfer.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #361
harvey098 said:
Forgetting the sales of our youth products like (Maddison, Stevenson, Bayliss, Wilson, Bigi, Harries etc)... How many players have we bought in and sold for a profit in the last 5/6 years?

Vincelot? - That money was reinvested
Sordell? - That money was reinvested

It seems to me that when a manager generates their own profit on a player they are given some of it back.

People saying "no other managers were given £750k to spend on Godden". No but he's built that up from getting McNulty on a free and selling him. Using half that money to buy Chaplin and sell him. Use some of that money to buy Godden. It all started from a free transfer.
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Why forget the sales of youth players?
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #362
SlowerThanPlatt said:
8th in the Championship is a better achievement than 6th in League 2
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Is it better than 6th in League Two, a cup, and promotion from League One?

Your argument that Micky Adams was a better manager for us than Mark Robins is an interesting take on things, not sure you're thinking too clearly :emoji_relaxed:
 

usskyblue

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #363
Opinions are like farts. When you push them too hard, you end up in the shit.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #364
Ring Of Steel said:
Is it better than 6th in League Two, a cup, and promotion from League One?

Your argument that Micky Adams was a better manager for us than Mark Robins is an interesting take on things, not sure you're thinking too clearly :emoji_relaxed:
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A promotion from League One? We’re 4th and have 19 games remaining...
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #365
harvey098 said:
Forgetting the sales of our youth products like (Maddison, Stevenson, Bayliss, Wilson, Bigi, Harries etc)... How many players have we bought in and sold for a profit in the last 5/6 years?

Vincelot? - That money was reinvested (badly)
Sordell? - That money was reinvested (badly)

It seems to me that when a manager generates their own profit on a player they are given some of it back.

People saying "no other managers were given £750k to spend on Godden". No but he's built that up from getting McNulty on a free and selling him. Using half that money to buy Chaplin and sell him. Use some of that money to buy Godden. It all started from a free transfer.
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At last someone gets it. Good, sound, sensible, forward thinking management.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #366
SlowerThanPlatt said:
A promotion from League One? We’re 4th and have 19 games remaining...
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And my whole argument is that if we get promoted then that puts him in the top three.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #367
Liquid Gold said:
Why forget the sales of youth players?
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Because the manager doesn't source them, they are already there. It was a great example of Robins managing properly and generating improvements to the team externally, as opposed to taking advantage of talent that was already in the club and which would have been there whoever the manager was.
 
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harvey098

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #368
Liquid Gold said:
Why forget the sales of youth players?
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Because that is money the club has generated. I'm talking about managers generating money themselves. That is why I believe he has been given all this supposed backing is because it's money hes actually made himself.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #369
Ring Of Steel said:
Because the manager doesn't source them, they are already there. It was a great example of Robins managing properly and generating improvements to the team externally, as opposed to taking advantage of talent that was already in the club and which would have been there whoever the manager was.
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But earlier you were talking about how well Robins has done to develop Bayliss.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #370
Liquid Gold said:
But earlier you were talking about how well Robins has done to develop Bayliss.
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which is true. But on top of that Robins can also work the market to improve the squad. Never saw anyone else do that in recent memory.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #371
Ring Of Steel said:
Robins did, nobody else did. Facts kind of matter when you're stacking up achievements of managers, you don't have anywhere to go. Already Robins can put his achievements up against virtually every manager we've ever had and come out on top, if he goes one better then that just solidifies it.

Your agenda is clear- you wanted him booted out the door and you're not man enough to concede you were wrong.
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So you’d argue Graham Turner was a better manager at Wolves than Nunes?
 

harvey098

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #372
Liquid Gold said:
But earlier you were talking about how well Robins has done to develop Bayliss.
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It is possible to develop existing players whilst still making money on external business. They're not mutually exclusive mate
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #373
harvey098 said:
It is possible to develop existing players whilst still making money on external business. They're not mutually exclusive mate
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In fact I'd say they go hand in hand for a very good football manager, such as Mark Robins.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #374
Also I assume you’d argue he’s achieved more than Sam Allardyce?
 
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Magwitch

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #375
Ring Of Steel said:
And my whole argument is that if we get promoted then that puts him in the top three.
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You are correct, he’s one of only three managers to manage a promotion winning team here and one of those we finished seventh, unbelievable.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #376
Surely if you’re saying lower league achievements aren’t worth as much as mid table in the top division Jimmy Hill doesn’t come close? That can’t be right.

Would people agree he’s the best manager since the FA Cup win?
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #377
SlowerThanPlatt said:
8th in the Championship is a better achievement than 6th in League 2
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It is, do you think micky Adams would have got us promoted from league 2
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #378
Grendel said:
So you’d argue Graham Turner was a better manager at Wolves than Nunes?
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Not my club, not close enough to it- but unlike you I will attempt to answer. Turner certainly turned them around massively over 8 years, but as I said- armed with bags of money plus Mutch & Bull, then tailed off in Division Two (ie the championship) and couldn't take them further before being shown the door. Nunes has been there 2 years and I wouldn't have thought has been there long enough to be going down as a more important historical manager than Turner... yet... because of the investment that went in as well, its too early to know if he's a proper all time managerial star for them or if its a quick stint then off. But he's probably well on his way. Like I say- I don't really know, I can't make that call as I don't know the history as I do with my own club.

The point is that Wolves had Bull, Mutch, money, no debt- Robins has none of those luxuries but yet he still might be able to replicate what Wolves did, and faster.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #379
shmmeee said:
Surely if you’re saying lower league achievements aren’t worth as much as mid table in the top division Jimmy Hill doesn’t come close? That can’t be right.

Would people agree he’s the best manager since the FA Cup win?
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Yep- just, although thats if we go up and Bobby Gould & Gordon Strachan might have something to say about it.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #380
Evo1883 said:
It is, do you think micky Adams would have got us promoted from league 2
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I don't know, and he didn't did he.

Stop with the theories, hypotheses, what ifs- he didn't. Robins did.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #381
Grendel said:
Also I assume you’d argue he’s achieved more than Sam Allardyce?
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When I am talking about our top three managers ever, I am not sure how Sam Allardyce comes into the equation, please explain what on earth that has to do with anything.

Let me guess- Robins (the man you want sacked) is not potentially in our top three managers because Dave Bassett got more promotions. Why not go the whole hog? "Taxi for Robins, Ian Holloway has way more promotions than him"
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #382
Ring Of Steel said:
Yep- just, although thats if we go up and Bobby Gould & Gordon Strachan might have something to say about it.
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I said to Stuart Linnell this is the best team on the pitch since Strachans “Entertainers”, but Strachan has Richardson mortgaging the clubs future to provide players. I never felt he was particularly tactically astute so much as has a sweet shop transfer budget.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #383
Evo1883 said:
It is, do you think micky Adams would have got us promoted from league 2
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He got Port Vale promoted in 2012/13 out of that league finishing third place
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #384
shmmeee said:
I said to Stuart Linnell this is the best team on the pitch since Strachans “Entertainers”, but Strachan has Richardson mortgaging the clubs future to provide players. I never felt he was particularly tactically astute so much as has a sweet shop transfer budget.
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Can't really argue with you. The good feeling towards him really comes from 97/98 and his personality.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #385
Adams has won 4 promotions - including one to the Premier League
 
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