Mark Robins - What a brilliant appointment ! (6 Viewers)

Hastingsskyblue · Jan 22, 2013

Hi all - my first post on this forum

Though I have been reading a lot of posts since I joined at Xmas i wasnt sure whethjer to get involved again and start posting but now I think its time now to start posting

Some of you will know me (lets face it there arent that many Sky Blue fans in Hastings!!) and I have kept a low profile for the last year or so, as I became a bit disillusioned not with the results as such because I will support City even in the Conference, but disillusioned with the way the club was being run (SISU) and Football in general (not allowed to stand, mind your language, stewards at Ricoh et etc) anyway ...........

I suppose this isnt a very controversial post but have got to say that in Mark Robins we really have unearthed a gem, I really do think all our success is down to him and the way he manages the team, even after the Oldham game he acknowledges the failing of the team (ie not defending a set piece in the last minute when winning 1-0), 'there are things we must work on this week to prevent that in future' - too right

He really motivates the players, he knows what formations/team selections are best for each particular match he seems to make good decisions for substitutions, he doesnt accept a win as the be all and end all - he looks at what needs to be improved etc etc

Does anyone not agree that Mark Robins is the best manager we have had for years or maybe even decades and we must do everything to keep him from the sharks that will be looking to poach him away from us ??

Gint11 · Jan 22, 2013

Dont get me wrong, I am very PRO Mark Robins and he is doing a fantastic job but it is only 3-4 months since he joined - bit early to call him the best we have had in decades but it is very promising. He seems to be getting something out of it all the last 3-4 managers couldnt.

Hastingsskyblue · Jan 22, 2013

OK then lets be a bit controversial - who since 2001 (relegation) would anyone say is better at managing the team, making substitutions at the right time, getting players into the right mindset, being honest in post match interviews, coaching the fitness to last the full 90 mins etc? - Reid, coleman, thorn, shaw etc ??? sorry lets not forget Ian Dowie

Gint11 · Jan 22, 2013

Its a very good topic actually. I just want to point out we were 5th under Reid and doing well when the board sold Callum Davenport (our best player at the time) from under his nose. Other factors obviously involved but I think that didn't help Reid and he was a good manager.

Paxman II · Jan 22, 2013

He is the first man we have had that is showing what good management can do.
It's such early days though. Who's to say he won't be a disaster next season?
What is present though is a feeling that this could be the man to stay for a long time and make this football club his own.
The elements are all there: young, experienced, a former player with strong pedigree, ambitious and dare I say it intelligent.
At the moment I would say he is the first manager I have known for us that I can agree with the majority of the time.
I wish him every success but this is an industry that takes no prisoners. Will we be talking about a new guy this time next year?
I hope not. :claping hands:

sky blue john · Jan 24, 2013

Huddersfield have just sacked Simon Grayson how long before the press have MR linked with that job?

kg82 · Jan 24, 2013

I'd give it till about 6pm!

Deleted member 4439 · Jan 24, 2013

Currently a lowly 14/1 http://www.thesackrace.com/teams/huddersfield-town

Godiva · Jan 24, 2013

Hastingsskyblue said:
OK then lets be a bit controversial - who since 2001 (relegation) would anyone say is better at managing the team, making substitutions at the right time, getting players into the right mindset, being honest in post match interviews, coaching the fitness to last the full 90 mins etc? - Reid, coleman, thorn, shaw etc ??? sorry lets not forget Ian Dowie

Try another angel ...

Reid - midfielder
Dowie - striker
Coleman - defender
Adams - defender
Thorn - defender
Shaw - defender
Robins - striker

dongonzalos · Jan 24, 2013

I think he is doing a very good job.

However i agree, It is early days. Of the first 11 only 3 players are his signings.

However on the flip side of that 2 of those three so far are arguably 2 of our best performers.

I think the time you can really judge him is if we get into the championship next season and see how he gets on there.

So far though I have to say I am very impressed.

Grendel · Jan 24, 2013

dongonzalos said:
I think he is doing a very good job.

However i agree, It is early days. Of the first 11 only 3 players are his signings.

However on the flip side of that 2 of those three so far are arguably 2 of our best performers.

I think the time you can really judge him is if we get into the championship next season and see how he gets on there.

So far though I have to say I am very impressed.

If we don't get promoted next season is a must.

If we did anything other than regation would be good enough. It's a really poor squad for the championship. I'd hate to think how many goals we concede.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 24, 2013

Agree with that Grendel. You've got teams throwing around serious cash in that division, which unless we secure our own big spending lunatic, we can't compete with.

dongonzalos · Jan 24, 2013

Grendel said:
If we don't get promoted next season is a must.

If we did anything other than regation would be good enough. It's a really poor squad for the championship. I'd hate to think how many goals we concede.

I know with the squad as it stands. To stay up in the championship. Would be good going.

If he is allowed to strengthen then the goal posts would have to move.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 24, 2013

dongonzalos said:
I know with the squad as it stands. To stay up in the championship. Would be good going.

If he is allowed to strengthen then the goal posts would have to move.

We still don't have the money to compete though Don.

dongonzalos · Jan 24, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
We still don't have the money to compete though Don.

We don't genuinely know how much money we actually have.

If the investors now believe the premiership is the only way out or a team that are in a strong position in the championship, who knows.

However if we go up then allow our best to go and don't replace them again. No matter how good MR is we will probably come back down.

Grendel · Jan 24, 2013

dongonzalos said:
We don't genuinely know how much money we actually have.

If the investors now believe the premiership is the only way out or a team that are in a strong position in the championship, who knows.

However if we go up then allow our best to go and don't replace them again. No matter how good MR is we will probably come back down.

The best players are not good enough for the championship. Other than murphy I'm struggling. Adams is an unknown quantity as is bailey. The rest are not anywhere near good enough. Last season we had a far superior defence. They'd field when all available was probably better too. We have nowhere near enough funds to compete at the top end of that league.

dongonzalos · Jan 24, 2013

Grendel said:
The best players are not good enough for the championship. Other than murphy I'm struggling. Adams is an unknown quantity as is bailey. The rest are not anywhere near good enough. Last season we had a far superior defence. They'd field when all available was probably better too. We have nowhere near enough funds to compete at the top end of that league.

The worrying thing with Bailey is Derby were happy for him to go.
DMC ate this league up. Now look at him. Forest were happy for him to go.
I know it is not always the case but generally you do need to invest to succeed in the championship.

Grendel · Jan 24, 2013

dongonzalos said:
The worrying thing with Bailey is Derby were happy for him to go.
DMC ate this league up. Now look at him. Forest were happy for him to go.
I know it is not always the case but generally you do need to invest to succeed in the championship.

Baker is another example of the gulf in the leagues.

dongonzalos · Jan 24, 2013

Grendel said:
Baker is another example of the gulf in the leagues.

I still hope it is a confidence thing with him.
However there is clearly a big gulf in the leagues.

stupot07 · Jan 24, 2013

dongonzalos said:
I still hope it is a confidence thing with him.
However there is clearly a big gulf in the leagues.

The big difference in quality in this league is in the attacking third. I doubt there's a team in the championship that would have wasted all 3 one on ones that Oldham is on Saturday.

RME · Jan 24, 2013

Dowie was good for a while: remember we won 2-0 at Old Trafford and 4-1 at Blackburn (when they had a decent side.) it didn't last though. Didn't we also finish 8th in the Championship under Adams? Our problem has been that no manager for decades has consistently taken the club forwards for more than just months.

cloughie · Jan 24, 2013

Godiva said:
Try another angel ...

Reid - midfielder
Dowie - striker
Coleman - defender
Adams - defender
Thorn - defender
Shaw - defender
Robins - striker

I never knew we had an angel but i'll try another angle

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 24, 2013

Bristol City splurged nearly £20m in wages last season to secure safety. That's the kind of expenditure we'd do well to even half match.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jan 24, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Bristol City splurged nearly £20m in wages last season to secure safety. That's the kind of expenditure we'd do well to even half match.

It's what you spend it n though, they've got shit players on high wages, e.g. James last season...

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 24, 2013

Even so SBT we are seen as big spenders in this league with a wage bill of £4m. That is peanuts compared to what the majority of the league above have available, who also will have a lot more for transfer fees.

Tonylinc · Jan 24, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Bristol City splurged nearly £20m in wages last season to secure safety. That's the kind of expenditure we'd do well to even half match.

I don't think that it is always down to finance though. A cute Manager (and at this point I have to hold my hands up and say that I thought the MR appointment was a bad one at the time......WRONG!) can survive in the Championship with some astute buys and loan deals. I am convinced that should we gain promotion this season we will survive.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 24, 2013

Agree with that Tony but even the best managers can only do so much on a shoestring. Robins will need major backing from the board and bigger crowds with more revenue should help.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jan 24, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Even so SBT we are seen as big spenders in this league with a wage bill of £4m. That is peanuts compared to what the majority of the league above have available, who also will have a lot more for transfer fees.

Assuming we get promoted, we would sign some players who have bigger wage demands etc. we'd spend, say, 8m+ on wages a year I reckon.

Brizzle may pay 20m in wages a year (and are still getting relegated ) but there are teams who spend a lot less and are doing well, e.g. Peterborough.

Bristol went mad on wages when Coppell became manager and everyone thought they were going to get promoted, they were wrong and are fucked financially now.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 24, 2013

Bear in mind that under FFP no Champs team can have more than £4m losses underwritten by the owner.

tbh444 · Jan 24, 2013

RME said:
Dowie was good for a while: remember we won 2-0 at Old Trafford and 4-1 at Blackburn (when they had a decent side.) it didn't last though. Didn't we also finish 8th in the Championship under Adams? Our problem has been that no manager for decades has consistently taken the club forwards for more than just months.

We were also very happy with Aidy Boothroyd at this point in his tenure after a successful run, I remember people saying much the same, how at last we had found someone who knew their stuff after all the previous failures... not saying at all that I think Robins will head the same way but still seems safer to have some buffers on unbridled optimism!

Grendel · Jan 24, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Assuming we get promoted, we would sign some players who have bigger wage demands etc. we'd spend, say, 8m+ on wages a year I reckon.

Brizzle may pay 20m in wages a year (and are still getting relegated ) but there are teams who spend a lot less and are doing well, e.g. Peterborough.

Bristol went mad on wages when Coppell became manager and everyone thought they were going to get promoted, they were wrong and are fucked financially now.

They are in the relegation zone

dongonzalos · Jan 24, 2013

I have this gut feeling SISU's investors have a lot of clout.

However SISU are implementing a strategy for them as only they now how.

However recently plan B just went down the Swanny.

Plan C will either be more blackmail or a genuine operation Premiership. Hope it is the later.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 24, 2013

dongonzalos said:
I have this gut feeling SISU's investors have a lot of clout.

However SISU are implementing a strategy for them as only they now how.

However recently plan B just went down the Swanny.

Plan C will either be more blackmail or a genuine operation Premiership. Hope it is the later.

They certainly must do to have thrown £40-50m to prop up the club's losses under the tenure of various chairmen. However, as I said-from next season onwards you can only have a maximum of £4m in losses funded by loans from the owners (in the Champs). This means that how much in extra funding the squad can get is limited to a large extent by the club's revenue; which will be a lot bigger if more STs are sold and matchday crowds increase.

dongonzalos · Jan 24, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
They certainly must do to have thrown £40-50m to prop up the club's losses under the tenure of various chairmen. However, as I said-from next season onwards you can only have a maximum of £4m in losses funded by loans from the owners (in the Champs). This means that how much in extra funding the squad can get is limited to a large extent by the club's revenue; which will be a lot bigger if more STs are sold and matchday crowds increase.

If there are ways round that I am sure SISU will find the loop holes.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 24, 2013

dongonzalos said:
If there are ways round that I am sure SISU will find the loop holes.

Just needs some clever manipulation of the accounts-where's OSB when you need him?

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