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Marcel Hilßner - Asthma issue (1 Viewer)

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #36
Rich said:
I found out I had asthma in 2015. Had one inhaler, never used it and been fine since. That is until two weeks ago, when running started to get tougher.
Currently a walk up the stairs is seeing me needing a lie down and puff on my new inhaler.
It’s really shit to be honest. Need to pick up a steroid inhaler when they’re in stock next week and hopefully it’ll start getting better.
Gone from half marathons comfortably to struggling walking up the stairs in 2 weeks.
Best get better soon as I have entered the London marathon in October.
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Not to worry. Just say you intend to finish in April as a protest cos you're a traditionalist and don't like this date change.

I didn't think anyone other than elite runners were running this year anyway?
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #37
Shipley is asthmatic I think. Possibly why he tends to last about an hour.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #38
clint van damme said:
250 dollars for an inhaler? What sort of inhaler?
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It's the US. That's probably a bargain in healthcare terms.

Something we can probably look forward to in the coming years.
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #39
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's the US. That's probably a bargain in healthcare terms.

Something we can probably look forward to in the coming years.
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Imagine the cost if you've got an asthmatic child. Absolutely criminal
 
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oscillatewildly

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #40
clint van damme said:
250 dollars for an inhaler? What sort of inhaler?
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I saw a clip on youtube a few days ago (if I had the know how I would attach a link) A guy is on the streets of a UK town asking random peeps how much they think certain medical treatments cost in the US (including the cost of child birth)
We've heard the stories of medical care being expensive over there but some of the quotes were eye watering. He was working from a sheet so I expect he had exact figures. I distinctly recall the cost of an inhaler and it was indeed in the region of $250.
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #41
clint van damme said:
250 dollars for an inhaler? What sort of inhaler?
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Probably the same sort that costs £10 outside of the USA...
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #42
oscillatewildly said:
I saw a clip on youtube a few days ago (if I had the know how I would attach a link) A guy is on the streets of a UK town asking random peeps how much they think certain medical treatments cost in the US (including the cost of child birth)
We've heard the stories of medical care being expensive over there but some of the quotes were eye watering. He was working from a sheet so I expect he had exact figures. I distinctly recall the cost of an inhaler and it was indeed in the region of $250.
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Medical bankruptcy it pretty common in the US. It costs $10k just to have a straightforward birth with no complications.

How much it costs to have a baby in every state, whether you have health insurance or don't

The average cost for a baby delivery is $10,808, but that varies depending on what state you live in, your insurance, and the type of birth you have.
www.businessinsider.com
 

We'll_live_and_die

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #43
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Not to worry. Just say you intend to finish in April as a protest cos you're a traditionalist and don't like this date change.

I didn't think anyone other than elite runners were running this year anyway?
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It’s being run as a virtual run. I’ll be running it around the mean streets of Beduth.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #44
clint van damme said:
250 dollars for an inhaler? What sort of inhaler?
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Literally a standard asthma inhaler. The joys of the US healthcare system
 

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robbiekeane

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #45
oscillatewildly said:
I saw a clip on youtube a few days ago (if I had the know how I would attach a link) A guy is on the streets of a UK town asking random peeps how much they think certain medical treatments cost in the US (including the cost of child birth)
We've heard the stories of medical care being expensive over there but some of the quotes were eye watering. He was working from a sheet so I expect he had exact figures. I distinctly recall the cost of an inhaler and it was indeed in the region of $250.
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It is absolutely ridiculous over here and I think it’s sickening to essentially commoditise “health”. After a few days in NYC or LA and you get over the funny factor of all the crazy’s doing their crazy routines, once the novelty has worn off, it’s actually heartbreaking. These are mentally ill people who have been failed by their governments and by their healthcare system and it’s condemned them to the streets.

I think one subtle clarification though is not to confuse what we (as in you and I the average UK citizen) “pay” for something like an inhaler, with what it “costs”.

What i mean is, we pay £10 for an inhaler from Superdrug vs paying $250 here*, but I wonder what the UK government contributes through subsidies towards that inhaler. Intent isn’t to try and minimise the difference or anything like they but instead would love to compare those two true numbers because it exposes the outrageous pricing and profit that I’m sure the US price is built on. Might have a look for a study.

*this is the price if you either a) don’t have any health insurance and you walk in off the street or b) more commonly your health insurance contains a “deductible” which, for all intents and purposes, is an “excess” like we have on our car insurance. Depending on your insurance this ranges from $400 up to somewhere on the thousands. So even myself with decent insurance, unless I’ve already been unhealthy and paid the $400 excess up front that year, id still be $250 out of pocket for the inhaler.

Horrendous system.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #46
robbiekeane said:
It is absolutely ridiculous over here and I think it’s sickening to essentially commoditise “health”. After a few days in NYC or LA and you get over the funny factor of all the crazy’s doing their crazy routines, once the novelty has worn off, it’s actually heartbreaking. These are mentally ill people who have been failed by their governments and by their healthcare system and it’s condemned them to the streets.

I think one subtle clarification though is not to confuse what we (as in you and I the average UK citizen) “pay” for something like an inhaler, with what it “costs”.

What i mean is, we pay £10 for an inhaler from Superdrug vs paying $250 here*, but I wonder what the UK government contributes through subsidies towards that inhaler. Intent isn’t to try and minimise the difference or anything like they but instead would love to compare those two true numbers because it exposes the outrageous pricing and profit that I’m sure the US price is built on. Might have a look for a study.

*this is the price if you either a) don’t have any health insurance and you walk in off the street or b) more commonly your health insurance contains a “deductible” which, for all intents and purposes, is an “excess” like we have on our car insurance. Depending on your insurance this ranges from $400 up to somewhere on the thousands. So even myself with decent insurance, unless I’ve already been unhealthy and paid the $400 excess up front that year, id still be $250 out of pocket for the inhaler.

Horrendous system.
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It's also telling how the administration approach this. When it's pointed out how much more American's pay compared to other countries the response is rarely "we need to look into this and bring the cost down" it's " we need to get other countries to pay as much as us". Care more about the profits of the companies than the health of their citizens.

I've no doubt prescription charges here have a large subsidy for the NHS (which people do contribute to in taxes) and there must be huge costs in developing new drugs with testing/trials etc but IMO a country that doesn't see health and well-being as a fundamental part of its duties to the people shouldn't be consider civilised. Willing to spend trillions on weapons and hardware to 'protect' its people but not willing to spend a fraction of that to protect their health and will even create health problems by refusing to legislate for protection on air quality/water quality etc in favour of backing industries that should really be in decline in favour of better practices.

And this is how we're increasingly going.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #47
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Shipley is asthmatic I think. Possibly why he tends to last about an hour.
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I sure Shipley could last closer to 90m if tactically, it demanded it. But, we had so many players in his position, MR could quite easily tell him to go all out until 60-70m mark.

Anyway, I doubt it's related to his asthma, because you just need to manage it with medication. In my experience, asthma has never impacted my fitness levels. Most of the time it's impacted me, I've had a 'wheeze' if I've not took inhalers and gone straight into high-intensity exercise - which is subsided once I take my inhalers.
 

better days

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #48
robbiekeane said:
It is absolutely ridiculous over here and I think it’s sickening to essentially commoditise “health”. After a few days in NYC or LA and you get over the funny factor of all the crazy’s doing their crazy routines, once the novelty has worn off, it’s actually heartbreaking. These are mentally ill people who have been failed by their governments and by their healthcare system and it’s condemned them to the streets.

I think one subtle clarification though is not to confuse what we (as in you and I the average UK citizen) “pay” for something like an inhaler, with what it “costs”.

What i mean is, we pay £10 for an inhaler from Superdrug vs paying $250 here*, but I wonder what the UK government contributes through subsidies towards that inhaler. Intent isn’t to try and minimise the difference or anything like they but instead would love to compare those two true numbers because it exposes the outrageous pricing and profit that I’m sure the US price is built on. Might have a look for a study.

*this is the price if you either a) don’t have any health insurance and you walk in off the street or b) more commonly your health insurance contains a “deductible” which, for all intents and purposes, is an “excess” like we have on our car insurance. Depending on your insurance this ranges from $400 up to somewhere on the thousands. So even myself with decent insurance, unless I’ve already been unhealthy and paid the $400 excess up front that year, id still be $250 out of pocket for the inhaler.

Horrendous system.
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It's mad really that America penalises sick people this way
I have private health care through work and occasionally get private prescriptions so you have to pay the true cost of the drugs
Salbutamol is a generic drug which can be produced by many manufacturers so it's less than £10 each inhaler
Newer drugs still under licence can be really expensive though
 

ccfcway

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #49
better days said:
Salbutamol is a generic drug which can be produced by many manufacturers so it's less than £10 each inhaler
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It’s less than 10% of that !!
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Aug 31, 2020
  • #50
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I've no doubt prescription charges here have a large subsidy for the NHS (which people do contribute to in taxes)
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'Here' being England of course - not Wales, NI or Scotland.
 
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