Managerial Win Percentages (1 Viewer)

[JulianDarbyFTW]

Inspired by a comment on the Stuart Peace thread, I knocked up a list of win %ages for all current league managers (exception: Justin Edinburgh - unable to find his stats).

Makes interesting reading...

*Apologies for the poor formatting - don't know how to insert an Excel s/s

Rank	Name	Club	Win %
91	Adam Murray‡	Mansfield	10.00%
90	Fabio Liverani	Leyton O	20.00%
89	Neil Redfearn	Leeds	24.40%
88	Michael Appleton	Oxford	25.66%
87	Wayne Burnett	Dagenham & Redbridge	28.42%
86	John Carver	Newcastle	29.63%
85	Dean Smith	Walsall	30.10%
84	Paul Dickov	Doncaster	30.67%
83	Jim Bentley	Morecambe	31.35%
82	Neal Ardley	AFC Wimbledon	31.97%
81	Russ Wilcox	York	32.80%
80	Steven Pressley	Coventry City	32.99%
79	Phil Brown	Southend	33.33%
78	Steve Clarke	Reading	33.33%
77	Dougie Freedman	Nottingham F	34.20%
76	Tony Humes	Colchester	34.62%
75	Lee Johnson	Oldham Ath	34.69%
74	Stuart Gray	Sheffield Weds	34.87%
73	Andy Awford	Portsmouth	35.00%
72	Shaun Derry	Notts County	35.82%
71	David Flitcroft	Bury	35.85%
70	Gareth Ainsworth	Wycombe	36.23%
69	Keith Curle	Carlisle	36.52%
68	Ian Holloway	Millwall	36.62%
67	Steve Bruce	Hull City	36.71%
66	Steve Davis	Crewe	36.84%
65	Tony Pulis	West Brom	36.89%
64	Malky Mackay	Wigan	37.34%
63	Ronnie Moore	Hartlepool	37.53%
62	Phil Parkinson	Bradford City	37.62%
61	Mauricio Pochettino	Tottenham	37.69%
60	Garry Monk	Swansea	37.78%
59	Dean Saunders	Crawley	37.80%
58	Micky Adams	Tranmere	38.12%
57	Sean Dyche	Burnley	38.13%
56	Russell Slade	Cardiff	38.13%
55	John Sheridan	Plymouth	38.52%
54	Gary Bowyer	Blackburn	38.71%
53	Mark Robins	Scunthorpe	38.82%
52	Paul Cook	Chesterfield	38.99%
51	John Coleman	Accrington	39.05%
50	Roberto Martínez	Everton	39.15%
49	Paul Lambert	Villa	39.27%
48	Mick McCarthy	Ipswich	39.53%
47	Sam Allardyce	West Ham	39.78%
46	Mark Hughes	Stoke	39.78%
45	Lee Clark	Blackpool	39.81%
44	Danny Wilson	Barnsley	40.00%
43	Harry Redknapp	QPR	40.29%
42	Chris Powell	Huddersfield	40.32%
41	Gary Johnson	Yeovil	40.38%
40	Graham Alexander	Fleetwood	40.50%
39	Chris Hughton	Brighton	40.51%
38	Rob Page	Port Vale	40.91%
37	Keith Hill	Rochdale	41.12%
36	Gus Poyet	Sunderland	41.38%
35	Steve Cotterill	Bristol C	41.83%
34	Mark Cooper	Swindon	41.92%
33	Nigel Clough	Sheffield U	41.98%
32	Darren Ferguson	Peterborough	42.09%
31	Kit Symons	Fulham	42.31%
30	Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink	Burton	42.55%

 

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[JulianDarbyFTW]

Rank	Name	Club	Win %
29	Alan Pardew	Crystal Palace	42.56%
28	John Still	Luton Town	42.58%
27	Nigel Pearson	Leicester City	43.19%
26	Simon Grayson	Preston North End	43.44%
25	Richard Money	Cambridge United	43.64%
24	Kenny Jackett	Wolverhampton Wanderers	43.85%
23	Paul Buckle	Cheltenham Town	44.03%
22	Paul Tisdale	Exeter City	44.10%
21	Steve Evans	Rotherham United	44.10%
20	Chris Wilder	Northampton Town	44.22%
19	Andy Hessenthaler	Gillingham	44.42%
18	Guy Luzon	Charlton Athletic	44.54%
17	Brendan Rodgers	Liverpool	44.72%
16	Gary Rowett	Birmingham City	45.00%
15	Karl Robinson	Milton Keynes Dons	46.09%
14	Steve McClaren	Derby County	47.16%
13	Graham Westley	Stevenage	47.43%
12	Eddie Howe	Bournemouth	48.24%
11	Aitor Karanka	Middlesbrough	49.23%
10	Manuel Pellegrini	Manchester City	50.76%
9	Micky Mellon	Shrewsbury Town	51.89%
8	Arsène Wenger	Arsenal	53.95%
7	Mark Warburton	Brentford	55.17%
6	Alex Neil	Norwich City	55.70%
5	Ronald Koeman	Southampton	55.88%
4	Louis van Gaal	Manchester United	61.19%
3	Slaviša Jokanović	Watford	64.81%
2	José Mourinho	Chelsea	67.17%
1	Neil Lennon	Bolton Wanderers	68.02%

 

[ccfc92]

80th out of 92, Not that bad :thinking about:

 

[Samo]

80th out of 92, Not that bad :thinking about:

And still in a job. That's the Coventry way... Abject failure is acceptable.

 

[Samo]

And thanks to the OP

 

[Gazolba]

I wonder where Jose Mourinho would rank if he was managing CCFC under the current ownership?

Seriously though, I'm not sure this ranking list gives a fair view of management ability. In the Premier League you have a few elite teams with huge resources and budgets and in many cases the current manager inherited an already world-class team, this league also includes many teams with comparatively meager budgets. It's no coincidence that the promoted teams are often relegated in their first season. This vast gulf in resources does not exist to the same degree in the Championship, L1 or L2.

 

[shmmeee]

And still in a job. That's the Coventry way... Abject failure is acceptable.

There may be a reasonable argument for that. It's been a while since I did the figures but IIRC almost all our managers in my lifetime have a win % much like Pressleys (about 30-35%) apart from the ones commonly mentioned as ones we got rid of too early (Nillsson, Black, Dowie, Robins) who all share one common factor: they didn't last a full season with us.

There's a strong argument that none of our managers have been able to break past lower table form for an extended period. Which either says we've had shit managers for nearly 30 years or there's something wrong with the club structurally.

 

[Samo]

There may be a reasonable argument for that. It's been a while since I did the figures but IIRC almost all our managers in my lifetime have a win % much like Pressleys (about 30-35%) apart from the ones commonly mentioned as ones we got rid of too early (Nillsson, Black, Dowie, Robins) who all share one common factor: they didn't last a full season with us.

There's a strong argument that none of our managers have been able to break past lower table form for an extended period. Which either says we've had shit managers for nearly 30 years or there's something wrong with the club structurally.

Actually, allowing that some of the managers below SP have inherited a basket case, are still in the honeymoon period and will turn that around, I think that position is flattering. But ok, how does he compare to previous CCFC managers?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Actually, allowing that some of the managers below SP have inherited a basket case, are still in the honeymoon period and will turn that around, I think that position is flattering. But ok, how does he compare to previous CCFC managers?

Ha ha. And we're not a basket case? Every leading scorer sold under his tenure, moving back and forth between 'home' venues, a toxic atmosphere, division within dwindling gates...

 

[Samo]

Ha ha. And we're not a basket case? Every leading scorer sold under his tenure, moving back and forth between 'home' venues, a toxic atmosphere, division within dwindling gates...

Did I say we are not a basket case? Must you indulge in this misrepresenting of other posters?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Did I say we are not a basket case? Must you indulge in this misrepresenting of other posters?

Some don't need misrepresentation to have their jaundiced views look foolish

 

[Samo]

Some don't need misrepresentation to have their jaundiced views look foolish

My point was that other managers have been in the job for just a few weeks and some, inevitably, will turn those clubs around. Whereas SP has been in post for 2 years and is showing no sign of doing so. How is my view 'jaundiced'? Or are you just being a dick as usual?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

My point was that other managers have been in the job for just a few weeks and some, inevitably, will turn those clubs around. Whereas SP has been in post for 2 years and is showing no sign of doing so. How is my view 'jaundiced'? Or are you just being a dick as usual?

Managers in their roles for weeks won't have had their best players repeatedly sold, or moved on under them, have they? Pressley has faced this time and time again, always expected to find a better player for an ever decreasing budget. To do it once or twice is possible. Repeatedly is ridiculous.

Your view is jaundiced as you'll happily and readily blame anyone; whilst not affording the owners at least some part in proceedings. That's why

 

[Samo]

Managers in their roles for weeks won't have had their best players repeatedly sold, or moved on under them, have they? Pressley has faced this time and time again, always expected to find a better player for an ever decreasing budget. To do it once or twice is possible. Repeatedly is ridiculous.

Your view is jaundiced as you'll happily and readily blame anyone; whilst not affording the owners at least some part in proceedings. That's why

I assume you are fully behind the manager then?

I do not readily blame anyone. I do blame those responsible and that includes SISU who I despise. Am I clear? (Although what your accusations are to do with this thread I don't know)

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I assume you are fully behind the manager then?

I do not readily blame anyone. I do blame those responsible and that includes SISU who I despise. Am I clear? (Although what your accusations are to do with this thread I don't know)

You're so prickly and aggressive, my O-level psychology tells me you're not even sure if what you're typing yourself. And you've got bedroom problems

 

[Samo]

You're so prickly and aggressive, my O-level psychology tells me you're not even sure if what you're typing yourself. And you've got bedroom problems

Haha! No really, don't apologize.

 

[Evo1883]

I wonder where Jose Mourinho would rank if he was managing CCFC under the current ownership?

Seriously though, I'm not sure this ranking list gives a fair view of management ability. In the Premier League you have a few elite teams with huge resources and budgets and in many cases the current manager inherited an already world-class team, this league also includes many teams with comparatively meager budgets. It's no coincidence that the promoted teams are often relegated in their first season. This vast gulf in resources does not exist to the same degree in the Championship, L1 or L2.

I would still say higher , as i believe that he is a better manager than steven pressley full stop . At ccfc or cfc. The suggestion that nobody could do better than SP is pretty funny

 

[Sterling Archer]

Also, the league is judged on points gained from a combination of draws and wins, not how many wins you have.

I'm not saying it would make much difference but I always wonder when this kind of stat is thrown around why people don't use "average points per game". It's far more meaningful.

 

[stupot07]

Also, the league is judged on points gained from a combination of draws and wins, not how many wins you have.

I'm not saying it would make much difference but I always wonder when this kind of stat is thrown around why people don't use "average points per game". It's far more meaningful.

Yeah, agree with that. Dowie is one who's win% was good but he also lost c50% and his league Ppg was no better than Coleman's. They use win/draw % combined in a book called Soccernomics, as either result is a positive result.


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[oldskyblue58]

whilst this kind of table can be said to be flawed in its calculation, like any league table it does provide an indicator of sorts (shouldn't be taken in isolation though). Should SP really be in the bottom 12 given the budgets and players he has had available? - I would not have thought so

 

[torchomatic]

So Neil Lennon is the greatest football manager in the world, second only to Eric Black.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie]

Also, the league is judged on points gained from a combination of draws and wins, not how many wins you have.

I'm not saying it would make much difference but I always wonder when this kind of stat is thrown around why people don't use "average points per game". It's far more meaningful.

OK couldn't resist this. The following is based on the Managers' Stats. I removed everyone that has managed for less than 40 games in a session and everyone prior to JH.

From this you can see that SP's win ratio puts him at 11th but points per game makes him equal 7th with Mickey Adams. (Allows 3 pts per win and 1 pnt per draw)

Manager	From	Until	Win%	Points/game
George Curtis	1986	1987	50.00	1.73
Jimmy Hill	1961	1967	44.48	1.62
Iain Dowie	2007	2008	40.82	1.39
John Sillett	1987	1990	37.33	1.38
Gordon Milne	1974	1981	34.13	1.31
Joe Mercer	1972	1974	35.29	1.29
Micky Adams	2005	2007	33.33	1.26
Steven Pressley	2013	Now	32.29	1.26
Noel Cantwell	1967	1972	32.09	1.25
Bobby Gould	1992	1993	30.51	1.24
Gordon Strachan	1996	2001	32.56	1.24
Terry Butcher	1990	1992	33.33	1.23
Phil Neal	1993	1995	30.88	1.22
Chris Coleman	2008	2010	29.06	1.19
Dave Sexton	1981	1983	31.25	1.19
Gary McAllister	2002	2003	27.63	1.17
Don Mackay	1984	1986	32.84	1.16
Ron Atkinson	1995	1996	25.68	1.14
Bobby Gould	1983	1984	29.17	1.13
Andy Thorn	2011	2012	21.67	0.98

 

[Sterling Archer]

Good stuff SkyBlueCharlie.

McAllister and Coleman really were as dreadful as I remember.

Would be interested to see where Robins, Reid and Black rank in that list.

 

[stupot07]

That's good but includes cup games, which are a bit of a lottery. For example when you look at just league games Dowie's record in the league was no better than Coleman's.

PL 43 W 15 D7 L 21 Win ratio 35% Loss ratio 49% 1.21 pts per game (55 over a season) - the points per game is almost identical to Coleman's 1.19 (54.5) and Adams - 1.26 pts per game (58)

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Managerial win rate is, at best, a stat that can be used to garnish an argument. Nothing more than that.

 

[wingy]

whilst this kind of table can be said to be flawed in its calculation, like any league table it does provide an indicator of sorts (shouldn't be taken in isolation though). Should SP really be in the bottom 12 given the budgets and players he has had available? - I would not have thought so

Cannot that be taken as relative to league occupation
Ie we apparently had an appalling budget for the Championship yet as recently as Friday night SW stated our budget puts us 4th-8th

 

[Hobo]

I would still say higher , as i believe that he is a better manager than steven pressley full stop . At ccfc or cfc. The suggestion that nobody could do better than SP is pretty funny

I agree Mourinho is a better manager, what is really funny is how he has the hump with us for not offering him the job and he has to make do with CFC.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie]

Good stuff SkyBlueCharlie.

McAllister and Coleman really were as dreadful as I remember.

Would be interested to see where Robins, Reid and Black rank in that list.

Robins: Win Ratio 51.52%, Points per game 1.73
Reid: Win Ratio 32.26% Points per game 1.22
Black: Win Ratio 46.15, Points per game 1.54

So Robins and Black much better (?) for both ratios than SP, Reid slightly worse. However you need to remember that they all managed for fewer games than SP (Robins 33, Reid 31 and Black 26)