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hill83

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #36
Grendel said:
Did have a thread entitled “a gentleman’s excuse me” which I had prepared in advance. Will leave it till another day.
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #37
Grendel said:
It’s a boring cliche - what isn’t is;

playing a dud in goal above the number 1
Playing Hyam week in week out when there are better options
signing overseas duds
Not considering Eccles or pask unless you have to
Playing biamou week in week out with no cause
Constant negative fearful tactics

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It's rarely that simple and as fans we don't know the true position.

1. Marosi is clearly the better keeper but probably wasn't fit to play
2. Hyam was our best player in the early part of the season, and it wasn't clear who could replace him when he lost form
3. Agree on Kastaneer and Jobello. Not seen Hilssner and seems he has been unlucky
4. Neither are wing backs. We got away with it today.
5. For most of the time there was no option I suspect. We don't know how fit Walker was. I am sure he would have been playing if fit
6. Not constant, but agree we have been too negative too often
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #38
Deleted member 9744 said:
It's rarely that simple and as fans we don't know the true position.

1. Marosi is clearly the better keeper but probably wasn't fit to play
2. Hyam was our best player in the early part of the season, and it wasn't clear who could replace him when he lost form
3. Agree on Kastaneer and Jobello. Not seen Hilssner and seems he has been unlucky
4. Neither are wing backs. We got away with it today.
5. For most of the time there was no option I suspect. We don't know how fit Walker was. I am sure he would have been playing if fit
6. Not constant, but agree we have been too negative too often
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2) Got to disagree about Hyam, Hamer without a doubt was the stand out player for the first half of the season by some distance. Hyam has struggled all season, the step up has exposed his technical and passing limitations, albeit on his wrong side of defence. The issue was not brining in a left sided centerback.

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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #39
Grendel said:
It’s a boring cliche - what isn’t is;

playing a dud in goal above the number 1
Playing Hyam week in week out when there are better options
signing overseas duds
Not considering Eccles or pask unless you have to
Playing biamou week in week out with no cause
Constant negative fearful tactics

These things are more worthy of discussion
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I’m pretty sure that Marosi simply wasn’t ready to resume. He probably had no choice but to play Wilson until Marosi was fully recovered.
Hyam, until today, has been the one constant in the centre of defence. There have been so many injuries to Rose, illness and suspensions with McFadzean that he has limited chances to rotate Hyam out of the back three. Hyam is also a player brought in at League Two level now playing two divisions above. You make no allowance for that or give credence to the possibilities that he may grow to the level.
The overseas duds presumably don’t include Hamer or Dabo as they won’t suit your negative narrative. The jury should still be out out on Da Costa and Hilsner. Jobello and Kastaneer were brought in with League One in mind. Jobello was a regular in the promotion team until he got injured, Kastaneer is the only confirmed dud.
Pask has done well today but is now used by you as a stick to beat Robins with when the general consensus until a few weeks ago was that he wasn’t good enough. I didn’t see anyone on here suggest Eccles as the cover for Dabo at wingback and he was in few people’s ideal team until Robins brought him on at QPR.
Frequently over the past few weeks the choice at striker has been between Biamou, Gyorkeres or Bakayoko with Walker and Godden injured. Neither Gyorkeres or Bakayoko were setting the world alight but you still have a go at playing Biamou when his first choice pairing wasn’t available.
With regard to his constant negative tactics, the objective for this season has always been survival. We started the season playing the open passing game we played last season and shipped bucket loads of goals. If we had carried on like that we were going down without a doubt. He changed it and has given us the chance to avoid the drop and stay in this league.
Despite what you and a minority of others have said, he is once again proving that for us, he is a good manager.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #40
Irish Sky Blue said:
I’m pretty sure that Marosi simply wasn’t ready to resume. He probably had no choice but to play Wilson until Marosi was fully recovered.
Hyam, until today, has been the one constant in the centre of defence. There have been so many injuries to Rose, illness and suspensions with McFadzean that he has limited chances to rotate Hyam out of the back three. Hyam is also a player brought in at League Two level now playing two divisions above. You make no allowance for that or give credence to the possibilities that he may grow to the level.
The overseas duds presumably don’t include Hamer or Dabo as they won’t suit your negative narrative. The jury should still be out out on Da Costa and Hilsner. Jobello and Kastaneer were brought in with League One in mind. Jobello was a regular in the promotion team until he got injured, Kastaneer is the only confirmed dud.
Pask has done well today but is now used by you as a stick to beat Robins with when the general consensus until a few weeks ago was that he wasn’t good enough. I didn’t see anyone on here suggest Eccles as the cover for Dabo at wingback and he was in few people’s ideal team until Robins brought him on at QPR.
Frequently over the past few weeks the choice at striker has been between Biamou, Gyorkeres or Bakayoko with Walker and Godden injured. Neither Gyorkeres or Bakayoko were setting the world alight but you still have a go at playing Biamou when his first choice pairing wasn’t available.
With regard to his constant negative tactics, the objective for this season has always been survival. We started the season playing the open passing game we played last season and shipped bucket loads of goals. If we had carried on like that we were going down without a doubt. He changed it and has given us the chance to avoid the drop and stay in this league.
Despite what you and a minority of others have said, he is once again proving that for us, he is a good manager.
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I agree with a lot of that post but I don't agree abut Hyam.
Hes been poor for a while and to keep playing him hasn't helped the team and in all liklihood hasn't helped the player.
 
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Hutch11

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #41
Irish Sky Blue said:
I’m pretty sure that Marosi simply wasn’t ready to resume. He probably had no choice but to play Wilson until Marosi was fully recovered.
Hyam, until today, has been the one constant in the centre of defence. There have been so many injuries to Rose, illness and suspensions with McFadzean that he has limited chances to rotate Hyam out of the back three. Hyam is also a player brought in at League Two level now playing two divisions above. You make no allowance for that or give credence to the possibilities that he may grow to the level.
The overseas duds presumably don’t include Hamer or Dabo as they won’t suit your negative narrative. The jury should still be out out on Da Costa and Hilsner. Jobello and Kastaneer were brought in with League One in mind. Jobello was a regular in the promotion team until he got injured, Kastaneer is the only confirmed dud.
Pask has done well today but is now used by you as a stick to beat Robins with when the general consensus until a few weeks ago was that he wasn’t good enough. I didn’t see anyone on here suggest Eccles as the cover for Dabo at wingback and he was in few people’s ideal team until Robins brought him on at QPR.
Frequently over the past few weeks the choice at striker has been between Biamou, Gyorkeres or Bakayoko with Walker and Godden injured. Neither Gyorkeres or Bakayoko were setting the world alight but you still have a go at playing Biamou when his first choice pairing wasn’t available.
With regard to his constant negative tactics, the objective for this season has always been survival. We started the season playing the open passing game we played last season and shipped bucket loads of goals. If we had carried on like that we were going down without a doubt. He changed it and has given us the chance to avoid the drop and stay in this league.
Despite what you and a minority of others have said, he is once again proving that for us, he is a good manager.
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Wish I could double like that
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #42
Irish Sky Blue said:
The overseas duds presumably don’t include Hamer or Dabo as they won’t suit your negative narrative. The jury should still be out out on Da Costa and Hilsner. Jobello and Kastaneer were brought in with League One in mind. Jobello was a regular in the promotion team until he got injured, Kastaneer is the only confirmed dud.
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You can pretty much count Ostigard as an overseas signing too as he hadn't played in England prior to this season.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #43
Irish Sky Blue said:
I’m pretty sure that Marosi simply wasn’t ready to resume. He probably had no choice but to play Wilson until Marosi was fully recovered.
Hyam, until today, has been the one constant in the centre of defence. There have been so many injuries to Rose, illness and suspensions with McFadzean that he has limited chances to rotate Hyam out of the back three. Hyam is also a player brought in at League Two level now playing two divisions above. You make no allowance for that or give credence to the possibilities that he may grow to the level.
The overseas duds presumably don’t include Hamer or Dabo as they won’t suit your negative narrative. The jury should still be out out on Da Costa and Hilsner. Jobello and Kastaneer were brought in with League One in mind. Jobello was a regular in the promotion team until he got injured, Kastaneer is the only confirmed dud.
Pask has done well today but is now used by you as a stick to beat Robins with when the general consensus until a few weeks ago was that he wasn’t good enough. I didn’t see anyone on here suggest Eccles as the cover for Dabo at wingback and he was in few people’s ideal team until Robins brought him on at QPR.
Frequently over the past few weeks the choice at striker has been between Biamou, Gyorkeres or Bakayoko with Walker and Godden injured. Neither Gyorkeres or Bakayoko were setting the world alight but you still have a go at playing Biamou when his first choice pairing wasn’t available.
With regard to his constant negative tactics, the objective for this season has always been survival. We started the season playing the open passing game we played last season and shipped bucket loads of goals. If we had carried on like that we were going down without a doubt. He changed it and has given us the chance to avoid the drop and stay in this league.
Despite what you and a minority of others have said, he is once again proving that for us, he is a good manager.
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i lost interest when you lumped a signing from Chelsea when his contract ended as an overseas dud
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #44
Grendel said:
It’s a boring cliche - what isn’t is;

playing a dud in goal above the number 1
Playing Hyam week in week out when there are better options
signing overseas duds
Not considering Eccles or pask unless you have to
Playing biamou week in week out with no cause
Constant negative fearful tactics

These things are more worthy of discussion
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Christ imagine having this level of enjoyment when your team gets a big win

Imagine actually being happier when your team loses so that you can come online and berate Robins/Biamou/the tea lady.

What a sad outlook on life
 
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Irish Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #45
Grendel said:
i lost interest when you lumped a signing from Chelsea when his contract ended as an overseas dud
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The last team Dabo played for before us?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #46
Irish Sky Blue said:
The last team Dabo played for before us?
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So? He’s not an overseas signing he was on loan?
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #47
skybluesam66 said:
Really can’t understand why you aren’t a top football manager!!
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Because he would struggle to find enough players he liked to make up a squad....
And he would lose the dressing room
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #48
SkyBlues20 said:
I said Eccles would be playing RWB



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You must have heard it from the same place as me, you're still wrong about Wilson being better than Marosi
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #49
Grendel said:
So? He’s not an overseas signing he was on loan?
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I guess the point is he'd spent the last 2 seasons in the Dutch leagues where we had invested a fair amount of time scouting.
 

Irish Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #50
Grendel said:
So? He’s not an overseas signing he was on loan?
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The two teams he played for before us were overseas. We based his signing only on the recommendation of Vibash and never watched him play for his two Dutch clubs? I would have thought that the definition of an overseas signing is the location that you get the player from, not their nationality.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #51
Irish Sky Blue said:
The two teams he played for before us were overseas. We based his signing only on the recommendation of Vibash and never watched him play for his two Dutch clubs? I would have thought that the definition of an overseas signing is the location that you get the player from, not their nationality.
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...so he wasn’t an overseas signing then.
 
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Briles

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #52
Grendel said:
It’s a boring cliche - what isn’t is;

playing a dud in goal above the number 1
Playing Hyam week in week out when there are better options
signing overseas duds
Not considering Eccles or pask unless you have to
Playing biamou week in week out with no cause
Constant negative fearful tactics

These things are more worthy of discussion
Click to expand...

You're supposed to stop the cotton bud when there's resistance
 
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SkyBlues20

Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #53
Johnnythespider said:
You must have heard it from the same place as me, you're still wrong about Wilson being better than Marosi
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You hear about Robins and Hamer falling out too?


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Johnnythespider

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #54
SkyBlues20 said:
You hear about Robins and Hamer falling out too?


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Only from you, if Hamer refused to play rwb as you say, that would be a problem.
 

better days

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #55
Johnnythespider said:
Only from you, if Hamer refused to play rwb as you say, that would be a problem.
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No chance
The manager just decided to give Eccles a chance there
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #56
Grendel said:
Did have a thread entitled “a gentleman’s excuse me” which I had prepared in advance. Will leave it till another day.
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Too many wallflowers lol
 
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SkyBlues20

Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #57
better days said:
No chance
The manager just decided to give Eccles a chance there
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Yeah just decided to give him a chance in a position he’s completely untested in a relegation battle game, because playing our best player - who has experience playing there doesn’t make more sense



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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #58
SkyBlues20 said:
Yeah just decided to give him a chance in a position he’s completely untested in a relegation battle game, because playing our best player - who has experience playing there doesn’t make more sense



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Best player
 

cc84cov

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #59
fernandopartridge said:
Best player
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Who’s he on about ? Not DaCosta Surley ?
 

Frostie

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #60
SkyBlues20 said:
Yeah just decided to give him a chance in a position he’s completely untested in a relegation battle game, because playing our best player - who has experience playing there doesn’t make more sense



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Crazy conspiracy theory.

Why would he refuse to play a position he had no qualms about playing practically a whole season in previously?
If he had refused to play there then there is no chance he'd even be included in the squad, let alone actually play today.
 
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SkyBlues20

Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #61
Frostie said:
Crazy conspiracy theory.

Why would he refuse to play a position he had no qualms about playing practically a whole season in previously?
If he had refused to play there then there is no chance he'd even be included in the squad, let alone actually play today.
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Because he’s one of the best attacking players in the squad, he wouldn’t have been happy being asked to play RWB.


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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #62
Sick Boy said:
...so he wasn’t an overseas signing then.
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He was playing overseas, so yes he was.
 
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SkyBlues20

Member
  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #63
fernandopartridge said:
Best player
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Your really saying Hamer isn’t our best player?


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cc84cov

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #64
SkyBlues20 said:
Your really saying Hamer isn’t our best player?


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O’Hare is ahead of him
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #65
Irish Sky Blue said:
He was playing overseas, so yes he was.
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Come on mate when I worked in Cyprus for 6 months I didn't come back an immigrant
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #66
Evo1883 said:
Come on mate when I worked in Cyprus for 6 months I didn't come back an immigrant
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Nothing to do with the fact he is English. We signed him based on his performances in Holland.
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #67
Irish Sky Blue said:
Nothing to do with the fact he is English. We signed him based on his performances in Holland.
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Yea but he was working in England then went to work In Holland for a bit ..he's not an overseas player ...when Gary Lineker signed for spurs from Barcelona they didn't hail him as a great overseas export
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #68
Evo1883 said:
Yea but he was working in England then went to work In Holland for a bit ..he's not an overseas player ...when Gary Lineker signed for spurs from Barcelona they didn't hail him as a great overseas export
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We signed him based on his performances overseas.
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #69
Irish Sky Blue said:
We signed him based on his performances overseas.
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I don't know mate my definition of an overseas player is different
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Apr 5, 2021
  • #70
Evo1883 said:
I don't know mate my definition of an overseas player is different
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The point being made was that our recruitment of players playing for overseas clubs has been poor. Dabo, just like Hamer, Jobello, Hilsner and Kastaneer was signed after his performances in an overseas league.
 
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