Too soft on them. Never understood the appeal of knives. Cowards.4 in 5 days. It's out of control. I don't know what the answer is but I do think that anyone caught carrying a blade should be handed a minimum 5 year sentence. Flood the streets with police. Build more prisons.
Deport any foreigners involved in gang violence back to where they came from as I don't want to pay for their prison upkeep thank you very much.
That's a start. Better than anything Mr Khan can come up with.
Flood the streets with police? Aren't the police saying they are already overstretched already?4 in 5 days. It's out of control. I don't know what the answer is but I do think that anyone caught carrying a blade should be handed a minimum 5 year sentence. Flood the streets with police. Build more prisons.
Deport any foreigners involved in gang violence back to where they came from as I don't want to pay for their prison upkeep thank you very much.
That's a start. Better than anything Mr Khan can come up with.
4 in 5 days. It's out of control. I don't know what the answer is but I do think that anyone caught carrying a blade should be handed a minimum 5 year sentence. Flood the streets with police. Build more prisons.
Deport any foreigners involved in gang violence back to where they came from as I don't want to pay for their prison upkeep thank you very much.
That's a start. Better than anything Mr Khan can come up with.
Flood the streets with police? Aren't the police saying they are already overstretched already?
Mandatory flogging with a cat o'nine tails for all offences involving sex, violence or drugs.
Automatic deportation for anyone of foreign origin convicted of any serious offence, along with their entire family.
Exactly. Again it's the parents as well.Increase in stop and search would help. Oh sorry we can't do that because all the snowflake, PC your picking on us brigades would be out in force. The Police can't do right from wrong, their hands are tied by snotty beurocracy. The Police know who the gangs are but are often helpless to do anything about it because of racism, harrassement etc. Talk to a Bobby on the street and they will tell you the truth about what is going on, not the people who sit in their ivory towers and only come out when the TV camera's are about.
A few people arrested for that Grenfell effigy.
No doubt a sick joke, also a waste of police time finding them when they could be dealing with proper crime.
Let them have a kickin rather then wasting police resources.Quite happy to use police time to catch those fuckers to be fair. What do people like this move on to?
Evidence shows it doesn’t work but hey yeah let’s do stuff that doesn’t help improve thingsIncrease in stop and search would help. Oh sorry we can't do that because all the snowflake, PC your picking on us brigades would be out in force. The Police can't do right from wrong, their hands are tied by snotty beurocracy. The Police know who the gangs are but are often helpless to do anything about it because of racism, harrassement etc. Talk to a Bobby on the street and they will tell you the truth about what is going on, not the people who sit in their ivory towers and only come out when the TV camera's are about.
Nah I think naming and shaming would be moresFrankly while society is obsessed with trying to be plastic gangster and ramming rap and fake gang signs down kids throats even before school age then a few extra coppers won't help. At least it is not a huge threat to the wider public.
People who find this culture glamorous will learn when it actually affects them. Unfortunately they won't learn that lesson from their leafy Warwickshire suburb
Absolutely. I always like to look at potential and the inate value in each human life so I like that death can help us remember the good rather than the bad. But having said that I do agree that the disconnect of the families is strange. The one that frustrates me is on the a444 where they act with impunity and put everyone in danger with their vigil or memorial. Including parking on the inside lane to put candles up.or other stuff in the dark and with no hazards on etc.I think naming them will be the same thing.
Agree about the fake gangster thing, need to stamp it out.
The other thing is these vigils they have for them making them out to be angels. When people really are innocent and caught up in it of course but the whole "he was an angel" nonsense for gang members who get killed who clearly weren't.
Same as that one in town recently. It's all well and good the family campaigning now, what about when he was going round robbing innocent people at gun point. Why not sort it then?
Absolutely. I always like to look at potential and the inate value in each human life so I like that death can help us remember the good rather than the bad. But having said that I do agree that the disconnect of the families is strange. The one that frustrates me is on the a444 where they act with impunity and put everyone in danger with their vigil or memorial. Including parking on the inside lane to put candles up.or other stuff in the dark and with no hazards on etc.
Anyone got any actual answers? How can the police investigate 120 murders since the start of the year it’s insane.
Mandatory sentences for carrying weapons may be part of the answer but the death sentence doesn’t seem to stop people murdering others.
Why is society so violent is my question? Children aren’t born wanting to take the life of another, when does it start. Have we taken our relative peace and opportunity in our country for granted and not pursued equality
If I’m honest thinking out loud a society that becomes so polarised in terms of haves and have nots all historical evidence points to the expectation of increases in crime.
You’d expect me as a liberal to say this but it’s abaolutely true that a full answer obviously includes punishment but for punishment someone will have died or been attacked. People need purpose, value, opportunity, meaning, family, friends. We remove investment in all these things and are then surprised when some in our society don’t feel they belong and accept the value given by belonging to a gang or feeling like a tough lad.
Any complete answer has to answer how we can include young people in our society. Look at youth services, look at poverty, look at housing and find long term solutions. Look at how hard you can punish people and improve things slightly short term but make no difference to the deep divisions in our society
I don't think there's any on answer but you've made some valid points.
I definitely think inequality plays a part. Some of these kids in London live in poverty in the shadow of extreme and frankly unattainable wealth.
They've done a lot in Glasgow to reduce knife crime and death/injury from knife by making it a public health issue and knife crime has halved. They've introduced something similar in London it doesn't work over night.
It took years to take effect in Glasgow but I think we have to try something different.
The thing is there is always going to be poverty and wealth that is unattainable. I know that unless there is a miracle I'm never going to be a millionaire driving round in supercars and living in a mansion but it doesn't mean I can use it as an excuse to start selling drugs or getting into crime.
There should be education on going to get a job and working for things like everybody else rather than blaming everybody else for it to excuse shocking behaviour.
Why would they though? They can make silly money selling drugs, if they get sent down they continue making even more money while they are inside to come out to more money than before they went inside.
Crime shouldn't pay, while it does people will do it rather than go and do an honest day's graft.
I doubt many of these kids on these estates are making "silly money" selling drugs.
We live in a country where inequality is through the roof and working people are living in poverty. Not saying that's the only cause but it doesn't help.
Personally, with regard to drugs. I would decriminalise like they have in Portugal. Fantastic results.
Our current policy is an abject failure, we should try something different.
You would be surprised, they will be making much more than if they went out and got a normal job which is why it appeals to them. It's the same with moped crime, saw a documentary where they could go out for a few hours and make 500 - 1000 easily in an afternoon just stealing bags and phones.
People do sometimes need to take responsibility for themselves and their kids. I don't doubt there is inequality but it's not an excuse.
I watched a video about takeaway delivery drivers in London. In certain areas they will almost certainly get chased and attacked for their mopeds. They film it with helmet cams. These animals come out of nowhere with baseball bats and knives and steal the mopeds for whatever gang related activity they want to do.
The drivers don't bother calling the police. Sad times.
Yeah think that's the one I saw.
They don't give a shit, they had one where they just turned up at a bloke's house in broad daylight and started hacking away at the padlock on his bike. Didn't give a shit that they were being filmed either.
The police can't really do much, they aren't really allowed to chase them on the bike because if they fall off it's the police' fault and a big shrine of chavvy tat is made for the little twats.
Big metal bar + front wheel = The end to moped crime.
It is common sense that the 'War on Drugs' has failed
there has never been a war on drugs.
I don't think there's any on answer but you've made some valid points.
I definitely think inequality plays a part. Some of these kids in London live in poverty in the shadow of extreme and frankly unattainable wealth.
They've done a lot in Glasgow to reduce knife crime and death/injury from knife by making it a public health issue and knife crime has halved. They've introduced something similar in London it doesn't work over night.
It took years to take effect in Glasgow but I think we have to try something different.
You’ve been reading The Guardian again.
‘Inequality’ (whatever that is) is not a reason, or any sort of justifiable excuse for carrying a knife and stabbing some poor sod.
You've been reading the Daily Mail again.
Look at what's happening in the States, (where there has definitely been a war on drugs against users of a certain demographic), the look at Portugal, which approach has been best for society?
I ask which has been best for society because there are people who benefitted massively from the approach in the States, namely the privatised prisons and the pharmaceutical companies that produce opioids.
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