That can't be true. The government told us no measures needed to be put in place to force landlords to carry out tests as they are all so responsible and care so much for the tenants they would do it voluntarily.The council are refusing to test tower blocks in the city on the grounds that they're owned by Whitefriars. Whitefriars refuse to divulge details of their testing arrangements or answer any further questions on the subject.
I heard the housing minister on Radio 5 and Radio 4 this morning. Unhelpfully answered virtually no questions and referred back to the robotic 'lessons will be learned'
Was interesting to hear him challenged on why the Tories blocked the bill on privately rented accommodation last year.... but he didn't answer it.
A bit like John McDonnells helpful input and calling murder. We need more helpful information.
The information is there - the bill was blocked by 312 Tory MP's - none from Lab, Lib Dem, SNP.
72 of those who blocked it are private landlords.
Just so nobody can accuse you bias,there are Fifty labour landlords.
Regards.
did they block the bill?
I wouldn't take too much into this, you can guarantee every HA, LA and contractor are reviewing every high rise project they have/had and assessing the risk. This whole episode will result in a lot of finger pointing, legal action around who should be 'responsible'. This is a process of bunkering down, reviewing positions and assessing risk but you can guarantee they are not ignoring this.The council are refusing to test tower blocks in the city on the grounds that they're owned by Whitefriars. Whitefriars refuse to divulge details of their testing arrangements or answer any further questions on the subject.
Why won’t Coventry landlord Whitefriars fit life-saving sprinklers in all 24 tower blocks and 17,000 homes? Our questions it refused to answer
I cannot answer that as I am not privy to who voted what,also I arguing against the impression that there no Labour landlords
It would not be the first time that people have hidden their intentions by voting one way knowing that the result would be what they secretly wanted,and we all know how hypocritical people can be.
Regards.
The information is there - the bill was blocked by 312 Tory MP's - none from Lab, Lib Dem, SNP.
72 of those who blocked it are private landlords.
Right so they are murderers then? That's what McDonnell has said.
what would make you say that? His post is factual, there was a bill aimed at preventing events like Grenfell and 312 tories blocked it, 72 of whom were private landlords.
You seem more upset by John McDonnells rhetoric, (well the small bit you are quoting), than by the fact that dozens of people have died - very strange.
As chiefdave was good enough to put the whole qyuote in context...I shall try again? Is John McDonnell right?
Looking at what was said in context he might have a valid point. It was said during a debate titled 'Is Democracy Working'. The full quote from McDonnell was:
“Is democracy working? It didn’t work if you were a family living on the 20th floor of Grenfell Tower. Those families, those individuals – 79 so far and there will be more – were murdered by political decisions that were taken over recent decades. The decisions not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need, made by politicians over decades, murdered those families, the decision to close fire stations and to cut 10,000 firefighters and then to freeze their pay for over a decade contributed to those deaths inevitably and they were political decisions.”
They'll just tax the poor I guess.If councils are being expected to fund any changes, what will be cut to pay for it?
Money won't just appear, that's for sure.They'll just tax the poor I guess.
Read the second paragraph of my post again.Seeing as there were a total of 0 MP's inside of the Labour Party that opposed the move it kind of makes your point moot.
Tories vote down law requiring landlords make their homes fit for human habitation
Tories have twice blocked Labour legislation to make rented homes – including council houses – safer.
Tories reject move to ensure rented homes fit for human habitation
As chiefdave was good enough to put the whole qyuote in context...
Would you agree that it is inappropriate to make "decisions not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need"?
I will answer your question. People need to answer mine.
I think it is more inappropriate and it's disgraceful. There is a massive problem and a bigger issue I agree but to call people murderers is not just dangerous and unhelpful but it is actually by law wrong.
Whitefriars has a long history of lying to its tenant, issuing false assurances, hiring independent assessors to inspect properties and then ignoring their recommendations.I wouldn't take too much into this, you can guarantee every HA, LA and contractor are reviewing every high rise project they have/had and assessing the risk. This whole episode will result in a lot of finger pointing, legal action around who should be 'responsible'. This is a process of bunkering down, reviewing positions and assessing risk but you can guarantee they are not ignoring this.
Read the second paragraph of my post again.
Regards.
Right so they are murderers then? That's what McDonnell has said.
Explain the rationale for blocking the amendment?
Why one earth would any person vote against it... never mind in excess of 300 people elected to represent the people of this country?
Do you think their constituents would be comfortable in knowing that this 'essentially' reflected their will?
Murderers they may not be.... but selfish, arrogant and only interested in their self and any financial gain that follows - absolutely.
So if it's true that every sample sent in is failing, which is what the media are saying, then this test must be more rigorous than the one by BRE or that combustability was not considered when specifying, only surface spread.
Yes that's all I was after. That answer. They are not murderers. Can't be by law. But everything you said in your last paragraph is spot on.
Yes Manslaughter would be the correct term.I get this argument, but in reality people use the words murder and manslaughter interchangeably outside the courts.
I get this argument, but in reality people use the words murder and manslaughter interchangeably outside the courts.
The Govt are asking all Councils to send in samples.
The BRE have capacity for 100 tests a day.
Looks like some arm twisting will be required, CCC/Whitefriars response doesn't surprise me at all, just disgusts me.
It's as I thought unfortunately, that Building control has been largely franchised out over the last 25-30 years, where developers can use consultants to certify.
Arnold Tarling appears to be a bit of an anorak /zealot on the subject but unfortunately he's correct, the quality and training of those charged with assessing /overseeing adherence to regulation has fallen.
I'll say it again the surface spread test applied to these products was wholly inappropriate and and only suitable for internal applications over continuous mono applications.
You mean like most of the country on this issue?Whitefriars has a long history of lying to its tenant, issuing false assurances, hiring independent assessors to inspect properties and then ignoring their recommendations.
Landlords are refusing to submit their cladding to tests, reveals Sajid Javid
"The combustibility test has three categories rated one to three and it is judged that cladding material in categories two or three does not meet the requirements for limited combustibility in building regulations.
"I can also confirm to the House that, so far, on that basis, all samples of cladding tested have failed.
"The fact that all samples so far have failed underlines the value of the testing programme and the vital importance of submitting samples urgently."
He added: "I am concerned about the speed at which samples are being submitted.
"I would urge all landlords to submit their samples immediately."
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