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The points deduction should be larger than Evertons due to the scale of the overspend.
Hope soThe points deduction should be larger than Evertons due to the scale of the overspend.
Do, me stupido !It’s two point deductions, not a deduction of two points, I think.
Ah fair enough, jumped the gun there.It’s two point deductions, not a deduction of two points, I think.
Leicester launched a legal challenge which has no merit just to ensure that they could avoid a points deduction in the Championship, get promoted and cash in on the Premiership pot of gold this season.
In addition to being docked points they should forfeit the Premiership cash, including future parachute payments. It won't happen but it would be just.
They’re right though. They’ll come down and piss the league again. It’s why we need to get up whilst parachute payments are a thing.I really hope they get stuffed for 15 points. Some Leicester fans I know still think it will be a price worth paying if they get all the Prem cash and the parachute payments. They’re a bunch of shits and I never bought ‘ the good old Leicester ‘ bollocks that went round. Like many other teams they cheated off the back of billionaire owners !
Won't the EFL being punishing them if they come back down though for breaching FFP from last season?They’re right though. They’ll come down and piss the league again. It’s why we need to get up whilst parachute payments are a thing.
FFP is bollocks just to keep the status quo anyway
I thought it was because they breached Prem rules which couldn't be punished in the Championship. So it only kicked in again once they were promoted
Won't the EFL being punishing them if they come back down though for breaching FFP from last season?
I was opposed to the breakaway European league but I'm beginning to think it's a good idea. Let's get rid of clubs like Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd. and Newcastle and have a properly competitive English league.
Once a cheat always a cheat. its not the first time they have bent the rulesLeicester launched a legal challenge which has no merit just to ensure that they could avoid a points deduction in the Championship, get promoted and cash in on the Premiership pot of gold this season.
In addition to being docked points they should forfeit the Premiership cash, including future parachute payments. It won't happen but it would be just.
Won't the EFL being punishing them if they come back down though for breaching FFP from last season?
Should’ve been a transfer/player registration ban for the summer, points deductions means nothing for teams who are preparing to get relegated anyway. They’ve gamed the system by getting promoted whilst cheating, spent another load of money in the summer and then dominate the league again when back down here with their ill gotten gains.I really hope they get stuffed for 15 points. Some Leicester fans I know still think it will be a price worth paying if they get all the Prem cash and the parachute payments. They’re a bunch of shits and I never bought ‘ the good old Leicester ‘ bollocks that went round. Like many other teams they cheated off the back of billionaire owners !
Plus they should lose their parachute payments.Should’ve been a transfer/player registration ban for the summer, points deductions means nothing for teams who are preparing to get relegated anyway. They’ve gamed the system by getting promoted whilst cheating, spent another load of money in the summer and then dominate the league again when back down here with their ill gotten gains.
Remember the punishment Luton got? The authorities are not as harsh nowadays. There's no disincentive for any club not to break the rules.I am hoping they are deducted 30 points for each offence, enabling the authorities to then place them straight into League One, and therefore bypassing the Championship.
You say that but FFP has meant that United have a higher threshold than Newcastle despite winning less games in the CLThey should be.
A lot of Premiership clubs want the FFP rules scrapped or at least the sanction restricted to fines. That's a joke for those clubs, such as Man City and Newcastle, which are owned by oil-rich countries. Hopefully the rules will continue to apply in the EFL.
I was opposed to the breakaway European league but I'm beginning to think it's a good idea. Let's get rid of clubs like Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd. and Newcastle and have a properly competitive English league.
They should be.
A lot of Premiership clubs want the FFP rules scrapped or at least the sanction restricted to fines. That's a joke for those clubs, such as Man City and Newcastle, which are owned by oil-rich countries. Hopefully the rules will continue to apply in the EFL.
I was opposed to the breakaway European league but I'm beginning to think it's a good idea. Let's get rid of clubs like Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd. and Newcastle and have a properly competitive English league.
The EFL tried/wanted to sanction them as they had the biggest wage bill the Championship had ever seen. Leicester refused to submit requests for info, work with EFL, knowing they would go up.I thought it was because they breached Prem rules which couldn't be punished in the Championship. So it only kicked in again once they were promoted
Yup. They seem to think cheating to get out of the Championship (twice) is fine, but not being able to cheat in the Premier League to compete with Man City is not fair. Ok then.The EFL tried/wanted to sanction them as they had the biggest wage bill the Championship had ever seen. Leicester refused to submit requests for info, work with EFL, knowing they would go up.
The EFL should refuse them entry when they get relegated then.The EFL tried/wanted to sanction them as they had the biggest wage bill the Championship had ever seen. Leicester refused to submit requests for info, work with EFL, knowing they would go up.
Haven’t Stoke completely taken the piss with FFP regardless? Just as Man City will avoid a meaningful punishment.It’s not just PL clubs who are railing against FFP / PSR. The owners of Stoke are seriously wealthy and desperate to pump money into the club. But they can’t.
I think the upcoming Man City decision could be a seismic moment for the game in this country and Europe for many reasons.
City look to be near the end of a cycle:
- Few new signings
- squad is not old but ‘mature’
- Pep looks to have itchy feet
If they get a harsh punishment, they won’t take it lying down. It would probably incentivise them to Brexit away from the PL. Newcastle and Chelsea would be thinking the same. Barcelona, RM and Juve never gave up. PSG and Bayern could be tempted this time….
The EPL can’t exactly go soft on City. These 115 charges came about as a last ditch effort to avoid independent regulation:/ control. You’d assume that charging them with 115 separate offences means you expect (and probably need) at least half to stick, however expensive, creative and aggressive City’s lawyers might be.
My guess is they will go soft on them because they will belatedly realise they are about to kill their golden goose. But let’s not kid ourselves…., a slap on the wrist will make the EPL look like complete idiots.
If they go in hard (I.e. relegation or worse), I think it could trigger a chain reaction which starts the ‘super league’ quite quickly.
Probably but nowhere near as much as they’d have liked.Haven’t Stoke completely taken the piss with FFP regardless? Just as Man City will avoid a meaningful punishment.
They will be "tough" but effectively meaningless.It’s not just PL clubs who are railing against FFP / PSR. The owners of Stoke are seriously wealthy and desperate to pump money into the club. But they can’t.
I think the upcoming Man City decision could be a seismic moment for the game in this country and Europe for many reasons.
City look to be near the end of a cycle:
- Few new signings
- squad is not old but ‘mature’
- Pep looks to have itchy feet
If they get a harsh punishment, they won’t take it lying down. It would probably incentivise them to Brexit away from the PL. Newcastle and Chelsea would be thinking the same. Barcelona, RM and Juve never gave up. PSG and Bayern could be tempted this time….
The EPL can’t exactly go soft on City. These 115 charges came about as a last ditch effort to avoid independent regulation:/ control. You’d assume that charging them with 115 separate offences means you expect (and probably need) at least half to stick, however expensive, creative and aggressive City’s lawyers might be.
My guess is they will go soft on them because they will belatedly realise they are about to kill their golden goose. But let’s not kid ourselves…., a slap on the wrist will make the EPL look like complete idiots.
If they go in hard (I.e. relegation or worse), I think it could trigger a chain reaction which starts the ‘super league’ quite quickly.
What the prem needs is new blood in there,and the sooner TV companies realise this the better it Will be for me, everyone involved TBF!They will be "tough" but effectively meaningless.
I predict something like a 30 point loss, saves face for both arguments. They will miss out on winning the title but will probably win the CL anyway. There will be a big story of how they defied the odds.
PL football is absolutely meaningless, the sooner they f*ck to the "super league" the better. They will still be on S*y Sports, so is anyone really going to notice?
I do feel for the real match going fans but for these clubs, that support is dying off.
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It feels like they might do something like 30 points. But the problem for the PL is that Everton got docked 6 points for one offence. So if the Man City punishment isn’t in line (assuming of course that they’re found guilty), they will look weak and risk having independent regulation imposed.They will be "tough" but effectively meaningless.
I predict something like a 30 point loss, saves face for both arguments. They will miss out on winning the title but will probably win the CL anyway. There will be a big story of how they defied the odds.
PL football is absolutely meaningless, the sooner they f*ck to the "super league" the better. They will still be on S*y Sports, so is anyone really going to notice?
I do feel for the real match going fans but for these clubs, that support is dying off.
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Stoke owners gift the club money rather than loaning it. You can gift as much as you like and not breach FFP as it doesn't show as debt.Probably but nowhere near as much as they’d have liked.
Vile club.Stoke owners gift the club money rather than loaning it. You can gift as much as you like and not breach FFP as it doesn't show as debt.
Is that right? Surely these wealthy people who just love a bit of spotlight would just gift it then?Stoke owners gift the club money rather than loaning it. You can gift as much as you like and not breach FFP as it doesn't show as debt.
I think the debt is effectively to prevent a hostile takeover. If you control the debt you control any admin process - ala SISUIs that right? Surely these wealthy people who just love a bit of spotlight would just gift it then?
It feels like they might do something like 30 points. But the problem for the PL is that Everton got docked 6 points for one offence. So if the Man City punishment isn’t in line (assuming of course that they’re found guilty), they will look weak and risk having independent regulation imposed.
I do agree that the ‘traditional’ match going fans are dying off in the EPL (being deliberately killed off by the clubs themselves).
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