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  • Start date Mar 10, 2024
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Grendel

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  • Apr 5, 2024
  • #421
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I'd have thought it makes it a dead cert for penalties next season though.

Go up - PL enforces it's ruling from your previous stint and deducts points.

Stay in EFL - you'll have broken the limits as an EFL club and so get deducted points for that.

Possible outcome - go up this year, get PL sanctions and come back down. Season after the EFL hit you with sanctions as well for not complying with rules this season.
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There are no points deduction for breaches in the EFL are there?
 
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dadgad

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #422
Everton just docked another two!
 

Hiraeth

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #423
Grendel said:
There are no points deduction for breaches in the EFL are there?
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Think Blues had a 9 points deduction for breaching Profitability and Sustainability P&S rules in 2018/19.

They made amendments to P&S since but as far as I know I don't think they changed the potential sanctions.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #424
If they fine the clubs where does the money go back into the prem pot and the the fined teams get some of it back?
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #425
for a Lesta big hit!!
 
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Deity

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #426
Blind-Faith said:
I’m seeing various reports, whether factual or not I don’t know, of a possible points deduction for them, but not until they reach the PL?

On the face of it and without knowing any of the actual facts, seems totally unfair and an agenda to make sure they go straight back up!

If you break the rules you should be punished and not rewarded, hardly sets a good example for the rest of the league does it?
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The Premier League and EFL have made a complete hash of this.

Leicester admit they are guilty but the Premier League can’t punish them this season because this season they are an EFL team and therefore not within Premier League jurisdiction. They can punish them next season if they are promoted.

Leicester are almost certainly in breach of EFL rules this season but their accounts won’t be available for this period until next year. At that point they can only punish Leicester at the point they become a EFL team again.

It’s a simple loop hole that Leicester are exploiting.
 
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Deity

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #427
Added to this nonsense the Premier League in their wisdom have decided that the punishment for breaking the rules is a points deduction so small that it doesn’t really impact whether you stay in the Premier League or not.

Therefore clubs worried about going down would be better off breaking the rules, improving their chances of staying up, and then taking a small points deduction.

It really is a shambolic situation
 
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Frostie

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #428
Deity said:
Added to this nonsense the Premier League in their wisdom have decided that the punishment for breaking the rules is a points deduction so small that it doesn’t really impact whether you stay in the Premier League or not.

Therefore clubs worried about going down would be better off breaking the rules, improving their chances of staying up, and then taking a small points deduction.

It really is a shambolic situation
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Agreed but it's not the Premier League's doing in fairness, the level of punishment is set by an independent commission. The Premier League have asked for larger deductions at every stage but been overruled.

You would have to hope that the sanctions against Leicester are proportionate otherwise it is no deterrent for blatant cheating.
If Everton got 6pts for going £20m over, what should Leicester get for exceeding it by more than £110m (more than double the permitted amount)?
Not to mention both Everton & Forest's punishments were reduced due to their cooperation with the investigations whilst Leicester have done everything in their power to impede them.
 
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Hobo

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #429
Terry Gibson's perm said:
If they fine the clubs where does the money go back into the prem pot and the the fined teams get some of it back?
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The reason they don't fine them, is by breaching the rules they have gained a sporting advantage through overspending on wages and or transfers. The clubs voted to have points deducted because it is a sporting punishment.

I think Forest gambled that they could live with the points deducted. Assuming that, having spent so much they would be clear of the relegation threat?

What fans forget is these are the rules the Premier League Clubs imposed on themselves.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #430
Long term the PL is fucked.

So many of the owners are either American, where they protect their investment by not allowing relegation, or owned by actual states that can spend and litigate against any punishments. They have no interest in sporting integrity, it's about image or soft power.

There is no governing body that can do anything to stop it, the PL is run by its members and we have to take responsibility for voting to set that up when we were in the elite.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #431
Liquid Gold said:
Long term the PL is fucked.

So many of the owners are either American, where they protect their investment by not allowing relegation, or owned by actual states that can spend and litigate against any punishments. They have no interest in sporting integrity, it's about image or soft power.

There is no governing body that can do anything to stop it, the PL is run by its members and we have to take responsibility for voting to set that up when we were in the elite.
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I fuckin hate it, the best bit is trying to get there, when your there its mostly boring sterile football
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 9, 2024
  • #432
Deity said:
The Premier League and EFL have made a complete hash of this.

Leicester admit they are guilty but the Premier League can’t punish them this season because this season they are an EFL team and therefore not within Premier League jurisdiction. They can punish them next season if they are promoted.

Leicester are almost certainly in breach of EFL rules this season but their accounts won’t be available for this period until next year. At that point they can only punish Leicester at the point they become a EFL team again.

It’s a simple loop hole that Leicester are exploiting.
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Or hopefully will start two seasons in a row with points deductions...
 
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skybluericoh

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  • Apr 9, 2024
  • #433
Terry Gibson's perm said:
If they fine the clubs where does the money go back into the prem pot and the the fined teams get some of it back?
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I think it is split between the other PL clubs, but it is a proposal at the moment. It might be the task force being set up may influence this in the long run as if this is the case then the rich clubs will be able to do what they want. A fine means nothing to them.
I don't think is unreasonable if a rich owner gifts a club billions, provided it is given and they cannot then say 'Im off now give me my money back'. Ok this would cause an issue if the owner was also subsidising the wage bill maybe.
 

Frostie

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #434
Seems that Enzo has got the Chelsea job
 

Winny the Bish

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #435
Frostie said:
Seems that Enzo has got the Chelsea job
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The more instability at Leicester the better.
 
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shepardo01

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #436
Frostie said:
Seems that Enzo has got the Chelsea job
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Wonder how that will go!?
 

Frostie

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #437
Winny the Bish said:
The more instability at Leicester the better.
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Not so sure, depends who they replace him with. Pretty certain Enzo would have failed with them in Prem.
 

skybluecam

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #438
Frostie said:
Seems that Enzo has got the Chelsea job
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He will crash and burn there
 
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SBT

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #439
If both are available, what are you getting from Enzo that you wouldn’t get from McKenna? Wild appointment.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2024
  • #440
SBT said:
If both are available, what are you getting from Enzo that you wouldn’t get from McKenna? Wild appointment.
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Probably McKenna preferring the Man Utd job
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #441
£10m for an average manager. Basically impossible to fail once you’ve made the prem.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #442
Frostie said:
Not so sure, depends who they replace him with. Pretty certain Enzo would have failed with them in Prem.
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His subs in the match at the CBS were bizarre. Of course, sometimes players will drop deep contrary to instruction when down to ten men, but his subs, which were all pretty defensive, made me believe the instruction was to sit deep.

I sort of get why teams do it, but Leicester had a pretty much Premier League team last season, their Sideshow Bob centre half seemed pretty nippy and had players in attack that would still have caused problems, just seemed an odd and weak mentality.
 
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cstring82

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #443
shepardo01 said:
Wonder how that will go!?
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When he gets binned off in a year, retirement money sorted with the pay off!
 

SBAndy

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #444
Frostie said:
Seems that Enzo has got the Chelsea job
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I’m tremendously disappointed with this. Was looking forward to Leicester’s inverted full back system getting taken to pieces.
 
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Leicesterfox

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #445
SBAndy said:
I’m tremendously disappointed with this. Was looking forward to Leicester’s inverted full back system getting taken to pieces.
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Woohoo that’s £10m compensation banke. Robins now please as he was good for us ⚽️
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 27, 2024
  • #446
Blessing in disguise for Leicester.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2024
  • #447
Leicesterfox said:
Woohoo that’s £10m compensation banke. Robins now please as he was good for us ⚽️
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I'd spend some of that 10 million on WUM skills if that's the best you can come up with.
 
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Leicesterfox

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #448
Nah got us up but his football is
 

David O'Day

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #449
Sick Boy said:
Blessing in disguise for Leicester.
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Watch out, you be getting badly spelled abuse shortly.
 
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Leicesterfox

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #450
David O'Day said:
I'd spend some of that 10 million on WUM skills if that's the best you can come up with.
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How am I wumming? Would love him
here and still well liked at the club.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 27, 2024
  • #451
Leicesterfox said:
How am I wumming? Would love him
here and still well liked at the club.
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There’s zero chance he’d leave us at this stage.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2024
  • #452
Leicesterfox said:
Woohoo that’s £10m compensation banke. Robins now please as he was good for us ⚽️
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Should cover Patson Daka's wages for a few weeks
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #453
Liquid Gold said:
Long term the PL is fucked.

So many of the owners are either American, where they protect their investment by not allowing relegation, or owned by actual states that can spend and litigate against any punishments. They have no interest in sporting integrity, it's about image or soft power.

There is no governing body that can do anything to stop it, the PL is run by its members and we have to take responsibility for voting to set that up when we were in the elite.
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Give me the Championship any day. I never thought I'd prefer the second division of English football but it's much more exciting, less predictable etc.
As for the premier league, wake me up when the big 6 , or whoever, have left to join the money bags European league and the rest of us get on with it.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • May 27, 2024
  • #454
I've always wondered why Leicester fans are proud to have a nickname of an animal that scavenges in bins and makes really disconcerting "WAAAAAAAAH" noises
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 27, 2024
  • #455
Skybluekyle said:
I've always wondered why Leicester fans are proud to have a nickname of an animal that scavenges in bins and makes really disconcerting "WAAAAAAAAH" noises
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The waaah noise is when they’re having sex, in both cases.
 
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