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left wing agitation and John Mcdonnell (16 Viewers)

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  • Start date Jun 23, 2017
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #106
Gah, the curse of literalism and wilful misunderstanding is alive and well.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #107
Kingokings204 said:
Sorry? He called people incorrectly murderers and questions democracy. No not much to get worked up at all.

In fairness I don't know his views on murderers but I know McDonnell loathes democracy. Dangerous and vile. Charming man.
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He never had a problem with the IRA murderers, the two faced c**t.
 
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M&B Stand

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #108
Ian1779 said:
I can tell you I have spoken to parents in my school that do exactly this. As well as having to choose between feeding themselves and putting money on a gas or electric meter so they can keep warm or wash their children in the winter.
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They could always try budgeting better or working harder.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #109
Captain Dart said:
He never had a problem with the IRA murderers, the two faced c**t.
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And you don't have a problem with you beloved Tories getting into bed with a party linked to loyalist paramilitaries or the world wide exporters of Wahhibism. But I'm sure you're about to tell me how that's different!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #110
M&B Stand said:
They could always try budgeting better or working harder.
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Didn't know Norman Tebbit was a City fan.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #111
Apparently the population level is going to level off. Let's not let this though get in the way of a good yarn.

 

Captain Dart

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #112
clint van damme said:
And you don't have a problem with you beloved Tories getting into bed with a party linked to loyalist paramilitaries or the world wide exporters of Wahhibism. But I'm sure you're about to tell me how that's different!
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not the only ones...

and by the way this is about forming a Government with a (slim) majority, not a minority government like Harold Wilson did in 1974. A Government is much needed at this time.. crazy that the electorate swallowed the bribes offered by Jezza that would surely have wrecked the economy if implemented. Compared to £7.5Bn for student loans alone £1Bn is cheap.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #113
M&B Stand said:
They could always try budgeting better or working harder.
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Or you could stop being a prick.
 
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stupot07

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #114
Teresa May has found the Magic Money Tree. Nurses aren't allowed a pay rise but the Irish can have an extra £1bn to secure 10 votes and keep May in a job.... Fucking cretin.

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Ashdown

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #115
Philosorapter said:
Apparently the population level is going to level off. Let's not let this though get in the way of a good yarn.

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Apparently.................All the evidence of the last 150 years points to disaster for almost everything that isn't either human or used by humans for food. Things are likely to get a whole lot worse for many species before things recover and that could be too late for many.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #116
Ashdown said:
Apparently.................All the evidence of the last 150 years points to disaster for almost everything that isn't either human or used by humans for food. Things are likely to get a whole lot worse for many species before things recover and that could be too late for many.
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Are you a vegan?
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 26, 2017
  • #117
The consumerism from vegans is just the same overall as other people. Although the food produced for them is less damaging on the environment as a whole, I agree if that is your point.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 27, 2017
  • #118
Captain Dart said:
not the only ones...

and by the way this is about forming a Government with a (slim) majority, not a minority government like Harold Wilson did in 1974. A Government is much needed at this time.. crazy that the electorate swallowed the bribes offered by Jezza that would surely have wrecked the economy if implemented. Compared to £7.5Bn for student loans alone £1Bn is cheap.
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you honestly believe this is only going to cost 1 billion? Absolutely no chance.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 27, 2017
  • #119
Ashdown said:
Apparently.................All the evidence of the last 150 years points to disaster for almost everything that isn't either human or used by humans for food. Things are likely to get a whole lot worse for many species before things recover and that could be too late for many.
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Always worth a watch even if the narrative is a bit dodgy.

 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jun 27, 2017
  • #120
Grendel said:
It depends what they are protesting about - if it is usurp the will of the people through a targeted action of withdrawal of labour for political gain - they do not
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They do though. They have every right to that...that's what free speech is all about

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chiefdave

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  • Jun 27, 2017
  • #121
clint van damme said:
you honestly believe this is only going to cost 1 billion? Absolutely no chance.
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The DUP are calling it an initial payment of £1.5bn so they're clearly expecting more to follow.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 27, 2017
  • #122
chiefdave said:
The DUP are calling it an initial payment of £1.5bn so they're clearly expecting more to follow.
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there is a renegotiation, I think in 2 years.

Former permanent secretary to the treasury Nick McPherson tweeted this:

“DUP will be back for more ... again and again. They have previous in such matters.”

I billion and rising - shake that magic money tree Theresa!
 

Captain Dart

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  • Jun 27, 2017
  • #123
If they are so good maybe DUP negotiators should be invited to join the Brexit team?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 27, 2017
  • #124
Captain Dart said:
If they are so good maybe DUP negotiators should be invited to join the Brexit team?
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I would bet they are good negotiators. But outsmarting May doesn't really prove anything one way or the other.
Just like marking Stephen Hawkins out of a game doesn't make you a good footballer.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 27, 2017
  • #125
Philosorapter said:
I'm amazed there's not a Princess Diana story in that spread,
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And she's back.

 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 27, 2017
  • #126
What do they expect from Head teachers if you shaft them and their schools??
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 28, 2017
  • #127
Ian1779 said:
What do they expect from Head teachers if you shaft them and their schools??
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I would expect them to remain impartial and get on with their jobs ! The left wing agenda from my kids teachers over the last 20 years has been nothing less than propagandist crap, detracting from what they are there to do which is teach the kids the syllabus.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 28, 2017
  • #128
Ashdown said:
I would expect them to remain impartial and get on with their jobs ! The left wing agenda from my kids teachers over the last 20 years has been nothing less than propagandist crap, detracting from what they are there to do which is teach the kids the syllabus.
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So you're happy for the cuts to carry on unchallenged?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 28, 2017
  • #129
clint van damme said:
So you're happy for the cuts to carry on unchallenged?
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With the caveat it's the Daily Mail...

Would surprise me if true. I can have my own personal political view, but I'm fully aware I shouldn't be foisting that on others.

I would say, however, that any forthcoming cuts should be publicised as much as possible. That's not even a political issue, that's campaigning for what's needed to do your job.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 28, 2017
  • #130
Ashdown said:
I would expect them to remain impartial and get on with their jobs ! The left wing agenda from my kids teachers over the last 20 years has been nothing less than propagandist crap, detracting from what they are there to do which is teach the kids the syllabus.
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Give them the tools to do so and they will........
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 28, 2017
  • #131
Ashdown said:
I would expect them to remain impartial and get on with their jobs ! The left wing agenda from my kids teachers over the last 20 years has been nothing less than propagandist crap, detracting from what they are there to do which is teach the kids the syllabus.
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You've got schools looking at not opening 5 days a week as they can't afford it, schools asking for donations so they can buy the books needed and similar yet people act surprised when teachers express concern.

Personally I think when teachers are telling you education is in a mess, doctors and nurses are telling you healthcare is in a mess, the police saying they don't have the resources to fight crime and keep us safe and the fire brigade saying cuts impact on their ability to do their job and put lives at risk its probably worth listening.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 28, 2017
  • #132
Interesting, although not surprising, that when you dig into this story a bit it turns out the only thing that's been said against the Conservatives is one tweet from one school.

Everything else is factual and if the Conservatives, as the serving government, are concerned that people having the facts will cost them votes I think that speaks for itself.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 29, 2017
  • #133
Ian1779 said:
Give them the tools to do so and they will........
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How do things compare to the late Seventies/early Eighties when I was at school ? Because I remember those being fairly recessional times and our classrooms being makeshift huts and text books being shared etc. Some of the buildings were quite antiquated then ?!
People talk about budgets which of course are tight now but when are folk going to accept that the impact of 10 million new arrivals from abroad over the last 20 years are going to have a huge influence on resources, whether that be in schools, hospitals, transport infrastructure.........and with so many working in the service industry and low paid distribution jobs, their tax revenues must be negligible in reality to what's required.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 29, 2017
  • #134
Ashdown said:
How do things compare to the late Seventies/early Eighties when I was at school ? Because I remember those being fairly recessional times and our classrooms being makeshift huts and text books being shared etc. Some of the buildings were quite antiquated then ?!
People talk about budgets which of course are tight now but when are folk going to accept that the impact of 10 million new arrivals from abroad over the last 20 years are going to have a huge influence on resources, whether that be in schools, hospitals, transport infrastructure.........and with so many working in the service industry and low paid distribution jobs, their tax revenues must be negligible in reality to what's required.
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It would be interesting to know what the tax burden /take overall is to the population inclusive of all purchase taxes, Council levies etc, measured against GDP.
Likewise with Business /Corporate taxation.
Are there any studies out there?
My feelings around education would be that that it has become a political football and bares no comparison to the sixties and seventies when I went through the system, where it was rightly considered and treated as a profession.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 29, 2017
  • #135
wingy said:
It would be interesting to know what the tax burden /take overall is to the population inclusive of all purchase taxes,
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UK tax receipts since 1963: full data
There's a link to download some data there.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 29, 2017
  • #136
If there are, sadly they are usually swayed one way or another politically ! Be nice for politicians and institutions to work for the good of the country for a change instead of their mandate to back the party. I can honestly say although I remember resources being tight in my school days that the teachers were generally a lot better, but then they were empowered to get on with the actual job as we had to show them a lot more respect.

I've had 3 kids pass through the education system from 1998 to this year and I've only truly met a few 'proper' teachers along that journey. The teachers are being overwhelmed with side issues like Health and safety, political correctness and diversity, plus the kids seem to have an attitude that they are untouchable in many cases and their brainless parents are very quick to want to confront teachers over disciplinary action handed out to offspring.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 29, 2017
  • #137
Ashdown said:
How do things compare to the late Seventies/early Eighties when I was at school ? Because I remember those being fairly recessional times and our classrooms being makeshift huts and text books being shared etc. Some of the buildings were quite antiquated then ?!
People talk about budgets which of course are tight now but when are folk going to accept that the impact of 10 million new arrivals from abroad over the last 20 years are going to have a huge influence on resources, whether that be in schools, hospitals, transport infrastructure.........and with so many working in the service industry and low paid distribution jobs, their tax revenues must be negligible in reality to what's required.
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The new arrivals from abroad are net contributors to the economy, so without them there'll be even less public funds to go around for schools etc.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 29, 2017
  • #138
Deleted member 5849 said:
The new arrivals from abroad are net contributors to the economy, so without them there'll be even less public funds to go around for schools etc.
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I don't believe it, not when the impact on services are calculated into that !
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 29, 2017
  • #139
Ashdown said:
I don't believe it
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Well it's there in black and white.

FACT, you might say.
 

Nick

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  • Jun 29, 2017
  • #140
Ashdown said:
If there are, sadly they are usually swayed one way or another politically ! Be nice for politicians and institutions to work for the good of the country for a change instead of their mandate to back the party. I can honestly say although I remember resources being tight in my school days that the teachers were generally a lot better, but then they were empowered to get on with the actual job as we had to show them a lot more respect.

I've had 3 kids pass through the education system from 1998 to this year and I've only truly met a few 'proper' teachers along that journey. The teachers are being overwhelmed with side issues like Health and safety, political correctness and diversity, plus the kids seem to have an attitude that they are untouchable in many cases and their brainless parents are very quick to want to confront teachers over disciplinary action handed out to offspring.
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Screw that, I encourage teachers to tell mine off if it's warranted and then they get told off when we find out. Thankfully it's not very often that attitude is stupid where parents think their kids should be above being told off for being dicks.
 
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