I believe it would be nigh impossible to realise the value of a player who is working his way back to fitness, especially in January. Clubs want a player who can start immediately.Im confused by your response, you appear to be saying we are stuck with him, even if we want to off load him.
I'd suggest that even if fit, hes not going to get any game time, when hes been played before, he has covered at RB, and DMF as well as CH. We now have plenty of cover at RB and DMF, so that only leaves him as 4th choice CH now, and seeing as hes not going to be challenging our preferred 2 CH's and Woolfenden is next in line (and a Lampard signing) where does he fit in?
I'd suggest its better for both parties if he moves on ASAP. That way he gets game time, and we get to use the vacant squad place to bring in a player capable of making the step up to the PL.
Yes that costs money, but we are at that stage now to justify the investment.
Fans are funny. Complain about the lack of squad depth and then when a fairly decent player at this level can’t get in the team they want to move him on
Literally nobody is saying this?Fans are funny. Complain about the lack of squad depth and then when a fairly decent player at this level can’t get in the team they want to move him on
His pace is his limitation but he is a solid, aggressive defender who reads the game well. I mentioned on another thread, I don't believe Keiffer Moore would have bullied him as he did Woolfie, despite Lati being a lot shorter.
I remember Preston away last season where he was brilliant and one diving header from our 6 yard box to stop a certain goal, at risk of being clattered.
The really funny thing is that you've just admitted he cant get in the team, and yet your suggesting he should stick around.Fans are funny. Complain about the lack of squad depth and then when a fairly decent player at this level can’t get in the team they want to move him on
Why are you desperate to weaken the squad? Move him on and we've got one alternative senior centre back to Thomas and KitchingMove him on in Jan.
Christ, on the one hand you're saying there is no point keeping players who aren't guaranteed starters and on the other we need to free up a squad placeThe really funny thing is that you've just admitted he cant get in the team, and yet your suggesting he should stick around.
Have you any idea how fucking insane that sounds?
Why would he watch his career stagnate, while knowing hes not getting in the team?
Why the fuck would we pay him and lose a squad place, knowing he ain't getting in the team?
He needs to move on to a team that needs him and would play him, teams like Norwich or Sheffield Utd (just for eg) where he would be a success, and probably a fans favourite.
That would free up a squad place here, for Frank to bring his own kind of player in, hopefully one that could develop into a PL player next season.
Lati gets some stick but he’s a perfectly serviceable championship player. He’s also got good leadership qualities and apparently isn’t the type to kick off about not starting. We will need him at some stage
Let me explain it to you so a child can understand.Christ, on the one hand you're saying there is no point keeping players who aren't guaranteed starters and on the other we need to free up a squad place
So we get rid our 4th choice CB with around 150 appearances in the Championship and replace him with someone who will also be our 4th choice CB? Or are we signing someone to replace Kitching or Thomas at CB and move Woolfy down the pecking order?Let me explain it to you so a child can understand.
Lats isnt getting a game, he isnt going to get a game unless we lose 2 of the 3 players ahead of him, and even then there's no guarantee that Bidwell may be asked to cover instead of lats. So he ain't getting a game!!!!
Still with me?
Now if we accept that he ain't getting a game, we would be better off selling him or loaning him, or even (as a last resort) paying up his contract so he can move on.
That would then allow us to bring in another CH to add to the squad to add depth and the much needed competition for places that Lats has failed to offer.
Do you understand now???? If not go and show this post to a grown up and ask them to explain it to you.
There's a good boy.
Jesus fucking wept! are all the thick cunts out today or what?So we get rid our 4th choice CB with around 150 appearances in the Championship and replace him with someone who will also be our 4th choice CB? Or are we signing someone to replace Kitching or Thomas at CB and move Woolfy down the pecking order?
Doesn't really make sense to do that after spending a decent chunk on Woolf in the summer.Jesus fucking wept! are all the thick cunts out today or what?
Where did I say we buy a 4th choice CH .
I suggested we off load a player who offers no competition and replace with someone who does,
Maybe we buy someone who could be better than Kitching or Thomas.
Understand yet????
FfsDoesn't really make sense to do that after spending a decent chunk on Woolf in the summer.
Also there's no way Bidwell plays at CB if they're both fully fit. Lati is considerably better than him there.
Your 4th choice CB generally isn't going to be "competing" anyway? They're mainly there in case of multiple injuries/suspensions.Ffs
What doesn't make sense in replacing a player who offers no competition with one that does (or could)
Tell me what doesn't make sense about that??? Because im starting to lose the will with the idiots on here.
Or am I being wummed
Why would we go to all that trouble (and potential expense if you want to pay up his contract) to bring in another CH? At that point does Woolfenden become our fourth choice CB and not getting a game, so we should go through the same procedure with him at that point?Let me explain it to you so a child can understand.
Lats isnt getting a game, he isnt going to get a game unless we lose 2 of the 3 players ahead of him, and even then there's no guarantee that Bidwell may be asked to cover instead of lats. So he ain't getting a game!!!!
Still with me?
Now if we accept that he ain't getting a game, we would be better off selling him or loaning him, or even (as a last resort) paying up his contract so he can move on.
That would then allow us to bring in another CH to add to the squad to add depth and the much needed competition for places that Lats has failed to offer.
Do you understand now???? If not go and show this post to a grown up and ask them to explain it to you.
There's a good boy.
The really funny thing is that you've just admitted he cant get in the team, and yet your suggesting he should stick around.
Have you any idea how fucking insane that sounds?
Why would he watch his career stagnate, while knowing hes not getting in the team?
Why the fuck would we pay him and lose a squad place, knowing he ain't getting in the team?
He needs to move on to a team that needs him and would play him, teams like Norwich or Sheffield Utd (just for eg) where he would be a success, and probably a fans favourite.
That would free up a squad place here, for Frank to bring his own kind of player in, hopefully one that could develop into a PL player next season.
You realise your just making yourself look stupid now dont you?if you have a settled back four, four squad players aren’t getting in the team. Let’s sell four squad players - how insane is your logic.
Im not complaining. I don’t want to move him on, just think character-wise he won’t be happy with essentially zero game time. He is currently back-up to a back-up!
The only position he has looked capable in for us is centre back, and Woolfenden will certainly be getting in ahead of him.
Why would Woolfenden be any less happy than Lati? Okay if Lati goes what level of player are you bringing in? Let’s say Thomas gets injured, Woolfenden goes in the team what is your bench looking like. Especially as Kitching is vulnerable to yellows and suspension. The landscape can change quickly.You realise you’re just making yourself look stupid now dont you?
What's the point in having four players competing for two CH spots when we've got other areas of the pitch where there isn't any competition for a place?Ffs
What doesn't make sense in replacing a player who offers no competition with one that does (or could)
Tell me what doesn't make sense about that??? Because im starting to lose the will with the idiots on here.
Or am I being wummed
In reply to JDS , he was initially a liability with balls over the top. He was making mistakes and costing us goals but he has settled down into a decent player earning call ups for international duty so yes a lot of us, myself included, could see the now and I think he has surprised many a person how he has turned out!and played a lot of minutes for us since his arrival from Swansea
I believe it would be nigh impossible to realise the value of a player who is working his way back to fitness, especially in January. Clubs want a player who can start immediately.
Where we differ is in our assessment of his ability. Providing his injury has not effected his form (see Bidders and O'Hare when he first came back), then to my mind he is a quality Championship player with a great pedigree. Really experienced,154 Championship games and has played a lot of minutes for us. He is at that age where players usually get better.
Previous England U17 World Cup winner and when fit, a first choice for Jamaica.
There is a tendency on here to write off players too soon if they are injured. Eccles in particular has suffered from this. JDS was completely written off by some who could not see pure footballing ability.
Obviously, we are not going to agree. Time will tell.
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