kcic Fan Survey results + more (2 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Sounds like you have expertise in this kind of thing. Do you mind me asking what your experience/expertise is and as per previous post your suggestions for questions and answer options would be very welcome

I think you need to ask one question. Are SHITSU greedy filthy scum - let only certain people answer and you'll get what you want.

Like it or not if you need to get away from The warped views you surround yourself with, the opinion on who is to blame is split. The result is a fair representation - re doing it admits you haven't the answer so word it differently.

 

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[Grendel]

ITT: why people without a basic knowledge of stats shouldn't either conduct polls or discuss their results.

Sorry Michael, much credit for the effort, but next time please get some help writing the questions.

This poll, especially the contentious questions, answers absolutely nothing because of poor answer choice. And this was raised right at the start.

It doesn't even say what Grendel wants, I mean it could, but it could also say 95% of people blame mostly Sisu or it's about 50/50.

It says 42% of people blame the council as much as sisu - sorry that's clear enough

 

[torchomatic]

Look forward to Valiant's view that one.

Interestingly only 44.7% live in Coventry.....,


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[MichaelCCFC]

I think you need to ask one question. Are SISU greedy filthy scum - let only certain people answer and you'll get what you want.

Like it or not if you need to get away from The warped views you surround yourself with, the opinion on who is to blame is split. The result is a fair representation - re doing it admits you haven't the answer so word it differently.

Grendel, I used to like your posts because they were thought provoking but now you just insult people and posts like your latest one don't make sense. Having said that, shmmeees' line that "people without a basic knowledge of stats shouldn't either conduct polls or discuss their results" is a great entry for most pompous post of 2013. And as a typical pair of anonymous trolls not one suggestion between you of questions/wording for a further survey..

 

[bigfatronssba]

Grendel, I used to like your posts because they were thought provoking but now you just insult people and posts like your latest one don't make sense. Having said that, shmmeees' line that "people without a basic knowledge of stats shouldn't either conduct polls or discuss their results" is a great entry for most pompous post of 2013. And as a typical pair of anonymous trolls not one suggestion between you of questions/wording for a further survey..

Don't rise to him.

He's still trying to argue that 42% is higher than 57%.

 

[dongonzalos]

Latest kcic update including results from Survey of CCFC Fans now at www.keepcovincov.weebly.com

Not read this thread yet....

However I will take a wild crazy guess....

Your survey is mathematically scientifically wrong.

Despite the fact 95% of people on here agree with what you discovered.

5% with big text gobs will dismiss what you have found out.....

Right there is my forum neck on the line lets read the thread...

 

[stupot07]

Not read this thread yet....

However I will take a wild crazy guess....

Your survey is mathematically scientifically wrong.

Despite the fact 95% of people on here agree with what you discovered.

5% with big text gobs will dismiss what you have found out.....

Right there is my forum neck on the line lets read the thread...

You've obviously not read the thread then....

I think it's widely accepted the Ricoh ownership question was flawed.

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[Grendel]

Grendel, I used to like your posts because they were thought provoking but now you just insult people and posts like your latest one don't make sense. Having said that, shmmeees' line that "people without a basic knowledge of stats shouldn't either conduct polls or discuss their results" is a great entry for most pompous post of 2013. And as a typical pair of anonymous trolls not one suggestion between you of questions/wording for a further survey..

Michael you have fallen into a trap of creating a survey hoping it gives an answer that you want. It hasn't. Your interpretations of the results I'm afraid give you zero credit. If you get away from this notice board on those on the hill you will find the average fan finds both parties are to blame. By solely focusing on one side of the argument you ignore half (well 42%) of the people who bothered to vote.

 

[Grendel]

Not read this thread yet....

However I will take a wild crazy guess....

Your survey is mathematically scientifically wrong.

Despite the fact 95% of people on here agree with what you discovered.

5% with big text gobs will dismiss what you have found out.....

Right there is my forum neck on the line lets read the thread...

42% of the voters disagree with you. End of.

 

[dongonzalos]

42% of the voters disagree with you. End of.

I am guessing this stat alone will tell me all I need to know. Or I should say Grendel's explanation of it.

Lets have a look......

 

[Grendel]

I am guessing this stat alone will tell me all I need to know. Or I should say Grendel's explanation of it.

Lets have a look......

Do 42% blame the council as much as SISU or not?

 

[No future with SISU]

Might Indicate why a new Stadium could end up situated to the west of the City ,Bagington.

The freehold of the land around there is coventry council

 

[Grendel]

The freehold of the land around there is coventry council

So - will they turn down a chance of regeneration, jobs and development out of spite?

 

[dongonzalos]

A very large majority (68.7%) said they do not believe sisu will build a new stadium and only a tiny minority (2.2%) believe they will, while 22.7% believe sisu will build a new stadium if they are unable to buy the Ricoh.


(Agree it is not happening )


A clear majority of those who voted in the survey (57.7%) said the current situation facing CCFC is all or mainly the fault of sisu and only a very small minority (5.3%) said it is all or mainly the fault of ACL/Coventry City Council while 34.9% said sisu and ACL/Coventry City Council are equally at fault.

(Yes totally agree majority SISU mainly to blame
Minority it is ACL Councils fault )



Only a very small minority (3.7%) sa

Only a very small minority (3.7%) said the Ricoh should be sold to sisu at a cut price rate with no restrictions but several complaints were made that the wording of other answers did not provide people with the options they wanted to vote for. This question will therefore be revised and included in a second survey which will be conducted in the New Year.id the Ricoh should be sold to sisu at a cut price rate with no restrictions but several complaints were made that the wording of other answers did not provide people with the options they wanted to vote for. This question will therefore be revised and included in a second survey which will be conducted in the New Year.

(Why would anyone agree to it been sold cut price with no restrictions protecting the football club.
If you cared about CCFC above your own ego you would protect CCFC)

 

[No future with SISU]

The slant in your commentary clearly shows where you wanted the survey to go but the results must have embarrassed you.

It shows 45% of a survey advertised mostly on here blame the council at least as much as the owners.

Brilliant - Grendel proved right yet again.

What 45% of a 1,500 votes and you think you are proved right, are you in the tory party. You need to ask the thousands of fans who did not vote how they feel, you know the ones not going to northampton.

 

[dongonzalos]

So aside Grendel taking LSD and Stu just been Stu
Are we pretty much saying 'as expected'

 

[No future with SISU]

It would be great to see Muttons head on the block. Yes I'd love it.

Now we know why you dislike the council, you are a tory and dislike all labour leaders.

 

[Grendel]

A very large majority (68.7%) said they do not believe sisu will build a new stadium and only a tiny minority (2.2%) believe they will, while 22.7% believe sisu will build a new stadium if they are unable to buy the Ricoh.


(Agree it is not happening )


A clear majority of those who voted in the survey (57.7%) said the current situation facing CCFC is all or mainly the fault of sisu and only a very small minority (5.3%) said it is all or mainly the fault of ACL/Coventry City Council while 34.9% said sisu and ACL/Coventry City Council are equally at fault.

(Yes totally agree majority SISU mainly to blame
Minority it is ACL Councils fault )



Only a very small minority (3.7%) sa

Only a very small minority (3.7%) said the Ricoh should be sold to sisu at a cut price rate with no restrictions but several complaints were made that the wording of other answers did not provide people with the options they wanted to vote for. This question will therefore be revised and included in a second survey which will be conducted in the New Year.id the Ricoh should be sold to sisu at a cut price rate with no restrictions but several complaints were made that the wording of other answers did not provide people with the options they wanted to vote for. This question will therefore be revised and included in a second survey which will be conducted in the New Year.

(Why would anyone agree to it been sold cut price with no restrictions protecting the football club.
If you cared about CCFC above your own ego you would protect CCFC)

So as i say 42% blame the council as much as SISU

 

[Grendel]

So aside Grendel taking LSD and Stu just been Stu
Are we pretty much saying 'as expected'

Did you expect nearly as many to hold the council equally to blame as SISU?

 

[No future with SISU]

It says 42% of people blame the council as much as sisu - sorry that's clear enough

I meet lots of people and it is nowhere near 42% who blame the council. Most blame SISU or do not understand what is happening. Only a few blame the council.

 

[Grendel]

I meet lots of people and it is nowhere near 42% who blame the council. Most blame SISU or do not understand what is happening. Only a few blame the council.

So are you saying Michael has lied about the results - astonishing, do you have any evidence?

 

[No future with SISU]

So - will they turn down a chance of regeneration, jobs and development out of spite?

They have all ready started development work up there and whitley as well. Where do you live, if you come to coventry keep away from the A45/A46 junction for the next 3 years, major building work going on and Fisher is not paying for it.

 

[dongonzalos]

So as i say 42% blame the council as much as SISU

And why does that naturally lead to the question

What are you not saying?

Also why does that not surprise me

Point made.......

 

[wingy]

So aside Grendel taking LSD and Stu just been Stu
Are we pretty much saying 'as expected'

I think we should thank Micheal for running the survey , as he says it Is the largest sample up to date. Interesting Point Is the age demographic ,a huge percentage who have been going 25 + years ,which suggests commitment over the long term ,and possibly a propensity to respond .

 

[No future with SISU]

So are you saying Michael has lied about the results - astonishing, do you have any evidence?

Only 1,500 people voted, and that is the result he got. I meet the people who do not go on here or GMK and the answers are not as good as you would like them. I am now asking them will they go to northampton if we reach the play offs and the answer has been no so far.

 

[dongonzalos]

The good thing is Grendel actually accepts that the results actually mean something.

So that is a start ......

Now was it less than 5% actually solely blame the Council/ACL for this debacle?

Yet nearly 60% solely blame SISU which is incredible.

So if Grendel is making claims on the basis of the statistics from this survey, he must give it credence.

So slap my thigh people think SISU are solely to blame for this. I must say that is about as surprising as discovering that Tom Daley likes men.

 

[CovFan]

Over 90% say it's SISU's fault? Impressive.


P.S. Grendel, am I doing this right?

 

[Sky Blues]

Do 42% blame the council as much as SISU or not?

If you take the results as given (ignoring any issues with methodology etc), we see:
5.3% said it is all or mainly the fault of ACL/Coventry City Council
34.9% said sisu and ACL/Coventry City Council are equally at fault

So, the answer to your question is "not". Only 34.9% "blame the council as much as Sisu".

But I'm guessing you meant to ask "blame the council as much or more than Sisu or not?"

Therefore:
34.9
+5.3
=40.2% blame the council as much or more than Sisu.

So if you meant to ask: "Do 42% blame the council as much or than Sisu or not", the strict answer is still "not" and the less strict answer is "not quite".

(PS. Margin of error can work both ways).

 

[Sky Blues]

If you get away from this notice board on those on the hill you will find the average fan finds both parties are to blame.

Can you share your data set for this assertion please Grendel? Thanks.

 

[hill83]

There is a hell of a lot more people that blame the council and sisu than people would lead us to believe on here and to be honest I'm pleased that has been shown. As expected more people only blame Sisu, but that's where we have to take into account loads of people on here voted.

Either way, does any of it really matter? All this bollocks that is happening is going to carry on regardless of the fans thoughts.
I've got my ideas as to why this survey was done and I'm also pretty sure the results weren't exactly what was wanted if an agenda was involved.

 

[Sky Blues]

There is a hell of a lot more people that blame the council and sisu than people would lead us to believe on here and to be honest I'm pleased that has been shown. As expected more people only blame Sisu, but that's where we have to take into account loads of people on here voted.

Either way, does any of it really matter? All this bollocks that is happening is going to carry on regardless of the fans thoughts.
I've got my ideas as to why this survey was done and I'm also pretty sure the results weren't exactly what was wanted if an agenda was involved.

So you're saying the survey is right because it proves what you want to believe and wrong because it disproves what you want to believe?

 

[Sky Blues]

I thought it was Elliott & Hoffman that found PH4 & introduced him.

Wasn't it the Sky Blues Talk member who goes by the name of Cyril who "found" PH4?

 

[hill83]

So you're saying the survey is right because it proves what you want to believe and wrong because it disproves what you want to believe?

Not at all to be honest, the survey is what it is. There are no rights and wrongs. Surely that's the point of it?

It can be interpreted however people want however, and the bit I'm choosing to focus on is the percentage who apportion some blame to the council. I'm certain this will grow. Only total lunatics can blame one side, council or sisu.

 

[The Gentleman]

There is a hell of a lot more people that blame the council and sisu than people would lead us to believe on here and to be honest I'm pleased that has been shown. As expected more people only blame Sisu, but that's where we have to take into account loads of people on here voted.

Either way, does any of it really matter? All this bollocks that is happening is going to carry on regardless of the fans thoughts.
I've got my ideas as to why this survey was done and I'm also pretty sure the results weren't exactly what was wanted if an agenda was involved.

So not just one side on this forum who subscribe to conspiracy theories then ?

 

[Otis]

There is a hell of a lot more people that blame the council and sisu than people would lead us to believe on here and to be honest I'm pleased that has been shown. As expected more people only blame Sisu, but that's where we have to take into account loads of people on here voted.

Either way, does any of it really matter? All this bollocks that is happening is going to carry on regardless of the fans thoughts.

I've got my ideas as to why this survey was done and I'm also pretty sure the results weren't exactly what was wanted if an agenda was involved.

Well that's where I am too, Hill.

I think Sisu are terrible owners, but ACL/CCC have certainly played their part in this debacle.

Would say the 42% blaming the council is not far off the mark at all in the reality of the whole scheme of things in the blame game.