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Grendel · Aug 6, 2013

Despite the nonsense accusations you'd struggle to find many posts of mine defending sisu

Lots of "luvvies" on here who support our council and the treatment of our club.

So we know that Doncaster, Ipswich, forest, Swansea are all playing in council owned stadia and stoke bought the ground of a council and a regeneration charity.

So - who out if a of us got the worst deal?

chiefdave · Aug 6, 2013

Aren't some of those old grounds that got sold back to the council for next to nothing?

Looking at the details of the deal PBoro announced recently with their council SISU should be snapping ACLs hand off with an offer of £400K a year.

Sub · Aug 6, 2013

Grendel said:
Despite the nonsense accusations you'd struggle to find many posts of mine defending sisu

Lots of "luvvies" on here who support our council and the treatment of our club.

So we know that Doncaster, Ipswich, forest, Swansea are all playing in council owned stadia and stoke bought the ground of a council and a regeneration charity.

So - who out if a of us got the worst deal?

the fans

ESB · Aug 6, 2013

Not sure we have a deal, unless you mean having parasitic owners?

Noggin · Aug 6, 2013

Coventry City got the worst deal we are the only ones with SISU as the owner and Grendel as a fan.

Have you ever moved on from talking about the fact our rent was too high? something we all agree with anyway.

mark82 · Aug 6, 2013

chiefdave said:
Aren't some of those old grounds that got sold back to the council for next to nothing?

Looking at the details of the deal PBoro announced recently with their council SISU should be snapping ACLs hand off with an offer of £400K a year.

Huddersfield pay £1 million a year. There stadium is not as good as ours.

covcity4life · Aug 6, 2013

ahah grendal none of them can man up and answer.

skybluehugh · Aug 6, 2013

Grendel said:
Despite the nonsense accusations you'd struggle to find many posts of mine defending sisu

Lots of "luvvies" on here who support our council and the treatment of our club.

So we know that Doncaster, Ipswich, forest, Swansea are all playing in council owned stadia and stoke bought the ground of a council and a regeneration charity.

So - who out if a of us got the worst deal?

Fuck sake Grendel, please give it a rest.

Sisued · Aug 6, 2013

covcity4life said:
ahah grendal none of them can man up and answer.

Man up.......

ESB · Aug 6, 2013

At least we know Grendal is boycotting games like us being on here , so at least he's standing loyal :claping hands:

Snozz_is_god · Aug 6, 2013

It doesn't matter what deal ACL offer SISU, they want the ground for nothing.

cloughie · Aug 6, 2013

Still going on and on

oh you had a hard on when sisu put the judicial review in to operation

Gone limp now have you, looking for yet another distraction from your humiliation of what was so called unlawful unlike the participants you consistently defend

mark82 · Aug 6, 2013

£150k a year is a reasonable deal. In fact it's bloody good if you compare with similar standard stadia.

fernandopartridge · Aug 6, 2013

Answer his question, particularly in relation to Swansea

blueflint · Aug 6, 2013

covcity4life said:
ahah grendal none of them can man up and answer.

funny i thought several have answered already.we all know the rent was too high we all know SISU should of paid it while negotiating a better deal.we all know that you and grendel are sisu loving tossers especially you:blue:

fernandopartridge · Aug 6, 2013

mark82 said:
£150k a year is a reasonable deal. In fact it's bloody good if you compare with similar standard stadia.

It is. Why wasn't it, or a proportionately lower rent, offered in 2005?

ESB · Aug 6, 2013

His question or your question - hard to tell

blueflint · Aug 6, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
It is. Why wasn't it, or a proportionately lower rent, offered in 2005?

because nobody asked for it through the proper negotiation channels certainly SISU didn't complain when they took over

mark82 · Aug 6, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
It is. Why wasn't it, or a proportionately lower rent, offered in 2005?

Well we all know it should have been. Doesn't excuse not accepting it when it was offered though.

mark82 · Aug 6, 2013

mark82 said:
Well we all know it should have been. Doesn't excuse not accepting it when it was offered though.

Well earlier this year at least.

Sisued · Aug 6, 2013

The rent wasn't to high as It was agreed by both parties. In fact the more expensive rent option was taken up by the clubs owners at the time
It is not up to ACL to approach CCFC to renegotiate for less. When ACL were approached they agreed for the club to pay less.

Where exactly is the issue?

mark82 · Aug 6, 2013

Sisued said:
The rent wasn't to high as It was agreed by both parties. In fact the more expensive rent option was taken up by the clubs owners at the time
It is not up to ACL to approach CCFC to renegotiate for less. When ACL were approached they agreed for the club to pay less.

Where exactly is the issue?

I didn't agree with the no further negotiations policy. And the move to try to force us into admin has proved disastrous. ACL have a high percentage of blame in this mess too.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 6, 2013

blueflint said:
because nobody asked for it through the proper negotiation channels

Not quite true.

From June 2006 EGM.

The report had revealed that the club are in talks with the Arena Company, which owns the new stadium, with a view to lowering the £1 million rent to £500,000 while they are in the Championship and rising to £1.5m if and when the club gain promotion

covcity4life · Aug 6, 2013

blueflint said:
funny i thought several have answered already.we all know the rent was too high we all know SISU should of paid it while negotiating a better deal.we all know that you and grendel are sisu loving tossers especially you:blue:

yes sisu lovers always talka bout how they are scum and we want them out

yup...we sure do show our love for them

ahahah complete mug

pugwash · Aug 6, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
It is. Why wasn't it, or a proportionately lower rent, offered in 2005?

I imagine the answer would something along the lines of "FU .... we have just bailed you out by paying for the stadium which you couldn't afford, and now you want us to subsidise you as well?"

James Smith · Aug 6, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
Answer his question, particularly in relation to Swansea

Swansea may have a better deal but.....
The Welsh Audit Office commissioned a report on The Liberty Stadium. The stadium finances have come under scrutiny and a PWC report for the Welsh Audit Office in 2011 (which I can't find online) stated that the way it is financed is unsustainable.

PWC report via thisissouthwales.co.uk said:
"financial position of SSMC remains precarious and the current revenue sharing arrangements are considered unsustainable". It also reveals that Swansea Council made a further loan to the SSMC in 2005, for £2.6 million, which it later wrote off, even though auditors "were not aware of any reason why such a loan could not have been sought from a commercial lender".

Read more: http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/C...tory-12754243-detail/story.html#ixzz2Z8Neq5qQ
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http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/C...tory-12754243-detail/story.html#axzz2Z8FAOl3H

What a shame we never took the oportunity to buy the charity share when we had the oportunity .

fernandopartridge · Aug 6, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Not quite true.

From June 2006 EGM.

oh no, not more factual evidence

skybluehugh · Aug 6, 2013

interesting that the protagonist starts a thread he knows will piss people off then goes away. Also not a SINGLE post on a 24 page thread on the JR being kicked out of court.

On the Doncaster ground, i don't know the rent they pay but it holds 15231, half the size of the Ricoh. it is also shared by Doncaster rugby league club. so not really fair to but on a comparison list is it. as the rugby club would be paying their far share of rent too

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 6, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
oh no, not more factual evidence

tbf it's only from one perspective - that of the club's.

However, it does suggest SISU aren't the first to ask the question without actually getting an agreement. Why? I have no idea, many possible reasons (as there are at present).

But... it raises questions about whether a deal has ever been there to be made under 'normal' negotiation. I don't know the answer (Robinson was a shit after all - if an unimpeachable shit) but the question probably still needs asking.

mark82 · Aug 6, 2013

skybluehugh said:
interesting that the protagonist starts a thread he knows will piss people off then goes away. Also not a SINGLE post on a 24 page thread on the JR being kicked out of court.

On the Doncaster ground, i don't know the rent they pay but it holds 15231, half the size of the Ricoh. it is also shared by Doncaster rugby league club. so not really fair to but on a comparison list is it. as the rugby club would be paying their far share of rent too

Don't think they pay anything now. May be wrong.

James Smith · Aug 6, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Not quite true.

From June 2006 EGM.

Think Geoffrey Robinson asked about a rent reduction which I suspect is the one mentioned there. Not sure ACL had the finances to offer a reduction back then but happy to be corrected.
Sisu made no serious attempt to negotiate the rent deal it was in the Trust Q&A.

James Smith · Aug 6, 2013

mark82 said:
Don't think they pay anything now. May be wrong.

They took on a stadium that was losing money despite all the tenants paying their agreed rent. Can't remember the exact figures but it was something like 300k the council lost each year and Rovers were paying the same in rent. The stadium naming rights were included in those figures, so even if they managed to stem the losses through concerts etc. they still had to contribute their £300k.

Sisued · Aug 6, 2013

mark82 said:
I didn't agree with the no further negotiations policy. And the move to try to force us into admin has proved disastrous. ACL have a high percentage of blame in this mess too.

400 k was a reasonable rent IMO. Why should they have negotiated further after the club agreed to the rent then refused to pay?

As for forcing us into admin.... Please, we weren't paying our bills and then we threatened to liquidate the company. ACL had little choice. Let's not forget we also chose not to pay the charity for the academy bills either.

Grendel · Aug 6, 2013

I owe everyone an apology. Clearly my A grade in English language all those years ago has failed me. I cannot phrase a question properly as no one has answered it.

So I give you 5 clubs;

Coventry
Doncaster
Swansea
Ipswich
Forest

As an example of a club who has had the opportunity to repurchase I also offer stoke city

So out if the clubs above on FPP rules which has the worst deal.

Rather than diatribe just name the club, no explanation needed. Not too hard is it?

mark82 · Aug 6, 2013

Grendel said:
I owe everyone an apology. Clearly my A grade in English language all those years ago has failed me. I cannot phrase a question properly as no one has answered it.

So I give you 5 clubs;

Coventry
Doncaster
Swansea
Ipswich
Forest

As an example of a club who has had the opportunity to repurchase I also offer stoke city

So out if the clubs above on FPP rules which has the worst deal.

Rather than diatribe just name the club, no explanation needed. Not too hard is it?

Ipswich.

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