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Sky Blue Dal

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #351
Ian1779 said:
@TheSimonGilbert: it has emerged that Yorkshire bank would have agreed to loan ACL £15.5m on the basis of restructuring the loan.

Er what?
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So at what rate???
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #352
But the interest rate offered by Yorkshire would have been much higher than the council loan. So higher repayments. Council offered a cheaper loan.
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #353
Rob S said:
You have a lot to say but from a position of anonymity which, IMHO, undermines your credibility. Why not be more transparent so that we can make an objective assessment of your comments? Do you work for the Council? Any links with Coventry Labour Party? Etc?

We're all trying to get to the actual facts here so you can see why transparency is a good thing can't you?
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Hardly under that much anonymity given he was 'outed' at one of the forums last year when the club finance guy recognised him from the creditors meeting.
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #354
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: It has emerged Yorkshire Bank would have agreed to loan ACL £15.5m on the basis of restructuring the loan.
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ACL not quite as distressed as SISU were making out then ?
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #355
Rob S said:
Damn! And I'd've gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!
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Scooby Dooby Doo !!!
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #356
Nick said:
What does this mean?
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The meaning is crystal clear to me.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #357
Jack Griffin said:
The meaning is crystal clear to me.
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Share it then smarty pants.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #358
Sisu QC arguing that withholding the rent and licence fees (£1.3m) was done in agreement with ACL.

Higgs v Sisu case last month was shown a letter from Higgs Charity trustee to Tim Fisher which showed that Higgs did not agree to that at all.
 
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Sky Blue Dal

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #359
AFCCOVENTRY said:
But the interest rate offered by Yorkshire would have been much higher than the council loan. So higher repayments. Council offered a cheaper loan.
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Exactly!!
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #360
Sisu QC says size of the £14.4m loan to ACL would render the council’s share of ACL as worthless for the foreseeable future.

Sisu QC outlining Sisu plan with council to pay off ACL’s debt to Yorkshire Bank, buy the Higgs 50% stake in ACL and work with the council to improve the business in return for a longer lease on the stadium for ACL.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #361
Sisu QC says that in Jan 2013 the council should have known that insolvency for the football club would have had a terrible effect on the future of ACL.

Sisu QC: “Council could have foreclosed on the lease if ACL became insolvent and could have re-leased it to another company, effectively wiping the slate clean.”
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #362
Sisu QC says council loan to ACL was an “act of folly” that has driven the club out of the Ricoh and to the brink of insolvency.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #363
AFCCOVENTRY said:
But the interest rate offered by Yorkshire would have been much higher than the council loan. So higher repayments. Council offered a cheaper loan.
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Brilliant. Why do the council offer a cheaper loan to a private company it happens to part own? Would they offer it to all private companies?
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #364
Sisu QC says there was motivation to drive Sisu out of Coventry and force it to sell to a new owner.
 

sky blue john

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #365
Sky Blue Dal said:
So at what rate???
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At what rate would Sisu have offered ??
Wonga rates probably !!
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #366
Nick said:
Share it then smarty pants.
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The 500k in the escrow account was put there before SISU arrived and to be withdrawn if the club failed to pay rent. 200k was the match day costs the club paid to run the games so they didn't really pay 700k in 'rent' as they are claiming

I think that is what it is.
 

Rob S

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  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #367
The Gentleman said:
Fucking hell Rob. You say Michael is trying to spin straight forward facts then come out with your last line.
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The difference being, I'm not complaining about the spin. We are all trying to put a spin – i.e. our own interpretation – on things. Simon will toe the CT/Alun Thorne party line because – as Nick pointed out – he wants to keep his job and provide for his family. We have no idea what happened to Les Reid but if he was taken off the story (as alleged in Private Eye and not yet denied by Thorne) for getting too far in his investigations, Simon is smart enough not to rock the boat.

I know that all sides are engaged in a major spin battle and I'm more interested in digging beneath that to get to some semblance of the truth no matter which side looks good or bad. The problem is, the PR war has been far too one-sided up until about 6 months ago and with all sides now fully engaged, it's a right old ding-dong.

Ultimately none of this matters. We want the club back at the Ricoh. The issue is to get all of the sides round the table to try and negotiate that and once the dust has (partially settled) on this week that really needs to be the focus and should always be.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #368
gilbert did you grow up as a kid hoping to be a real journalist?

be more like les reid!
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #369
Rob S said:
You have a lot to say but from a position of anonymity which, IMHO, undermines your credibility. Why not be more transparent so that we can make an objective assessment of your comments? Do you work for the Council? Any links with Coventry Labour Party? Etc?

We're all trying to get to the actual facts here so you can see why transparency is a good thing can't you?
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I will try to live with your doubts about my credibility Rob :facepalm:. Somehow I think I will survive. Never worked for Council or been a member of any political party.

Frankly I am more interested in seeing a solution now that is good for the club than raking over coals that can not be changed and that quite possibly puts the solution further away.
 
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covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #370
oldskyblue58 said:
I will try to live with your doubts about my credibility Rob :facepalm:. Somehow I think I will survive. Never worked for Council or been a member of any political party.

Frankly I am more interested in seeing a solution now that is good for the club than raking over coals that can not be changed and that quite possibly puts the solution further away.
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also if OSB does work for council i am taking the credit for that one and he can back me up as the original accuser!
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #371
Our man Keith's popped out to write a quick summary of this morning's 'action'. What we can say is that any hopes this would be over within a couple of hours have been well and truly dashed. Unless I'm mistaken, we're going to be in it for the long haul.

Oh, and Sisu definitely think the council was trying to engineer a new owner for the club.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #372
covcity4life said:
also if OSB does work for council i am taking the credit for that one and he can back me up as the original accuser!
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What a sad life you must lead !!
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #373
Well, showing round PH4 was a pretty good indicator of that.

AFCCOVENTRY said:
Oh, and Sisu definitely think the council was trying to engineer a new owner for the club.
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #374
Will give you credit where credit is due CC4L but going to have to disappoint on that particular one
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #375
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC presents evidence club believed rent was unaffordable and made it known to ACL in 2006. Asked for revenue streams in 2007
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #376
sky blue john said:
What a sad life you must lead !!
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You live in Luton. Simmer down.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #377
Your "secret meeting" accusations weren't sad at all, were they John?

sky blue john said:
What a sad life you must lead !!
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #378
so which two of the four claims were dropped prior to the case starting I missed that?
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #379
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC presents evidence club believed rent was unaffordable and made it known to ACL in 2006. Asked for revenue streams in 2007
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i am sure they will offer us revenue streams if clubs in trouble....
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #380
Why didn't sisu think of the unaffordable rent when they purchased the club?

Sisu carried out poor due diligence and now playing the victim.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #381
AFCCOVENTRY said:
Our man Keith's popped out to write a quick summary of this morning's 'action'. What we can say is that any hopes this would be over within a couple of hours have been well and truly dashed. Unless I'm mistaken, we're going to be in it for the long haul.

Oh, and Sisu definitely think the council was trying to engineer a new owner for the club.
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The council approved the existing owners over the Manhatton Group and look how that has turned out !!
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #382
Agree. Also why on earth did McGinnity think the rent was affordable in the first place?

AFCCOVENTRY said:
Why didn't sisu think of the unaffordable rent when they purchased the club?

Sisu carried out poor due diligence and now playing the victim.
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Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #383
AFCCOVENTRY said:
Why didn't sisu think of the unaffordable rent when they purchased the club?

Sisu carried out poor due diligence and now playing the victim.
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Or trying to play the legal system
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #384
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC presents evidence club believed rent was unaffordable and made it known to ACL in 2006. Asked for revenue streams in 2007
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When did they buy us?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2014
  • #385
Ah, evidence now provided (apparently) that Club believed rent was unaffordable back in '06. As I've mentioned previously, the club asked ACL for a discussion on rent negotiation in December 2005.
 
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