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Deity

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  • Jul 15, 2024
  • #211
clint van damme said:
Note to self - caution, Josh Eccles dad and Roman Kemp fan clubs heavily active on this forum.
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I’m not a fan at all of him or his dad but that doesn’t mean I can’t spot a flaw in someone’s argument ….
 

Evo1883

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  • Jul 15, 2024
  • #212
I just meant that his dad got him where he is today by producing the sperm that got his mother pregnant

 
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Terry_dactyl

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  • Jul 15, 2024
  • #213
Deity said:
I’m not a fan at all of him or his dad but that doesn’t mean I can’t spot a flaw in someone’s argument ….
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What you got against Josh Eccles’ dad?
 

Offhegoes

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  • Jul 15, 2024
  • #214
Some brilliant performances last season . Wolves away being one of them. He needs to drive forward more, but great tackler, and sound passer. One of those players who will improve season upon season.
Did a commendable job at RWB too.
if we’re away from home in a. tricky fixture (Leeds, WBA , Luton etc) he always starts for me.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 15, 2024
  • #215
Offhegoes said:
Some brilliant performances last season . Wolves away being one of them. He needs to drive forward more, but great tackler, and sound passer. One of those players who will improve season upon season.
Did a commendable job at RWB too.
if we’re away from home in a. tricky fixture (Leeds, WBA , Luton etc) he always starts for me.
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Totally agree , I think he will be the ideal pivot in a 3 with Rudoni and Sheaf/Torp slightly ahead of him
 
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blunted

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  • Jul 15, 2024
  • #216
Was surprised to see Eccles had the second most minutes on the pitch last season.
Need to improve his shooting from outside the box but that applies to most of our midfield. Oh and his corners.
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 15, 2024
  • #217
blunted said:
Was surprised to see Eccles had the second most minutes on the pitch last season.
Need to improve his shooting from outside the box but that applies to most of our midfield. Oh and his corners.
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Rudoni/Torp be on corners
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 15, 2024
  • #218
blunted said:
Was surprised to see Eccles had the second most minutes on the pitch last season.
Need to improve his shooting from outside the box but that applies to most of our midfield. Oh and his corners.
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His role in the team isn't one that demands goals , look at the likes of Kante , Busquets and others in his position. And before anyone chirps up I'm not comparing him to them .
And I also would hope to see him nowhere near another corner
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 15, 2024
  • #219
Deity said:
Neither did Kemp. His dad almost certainly helped him get his first break but what he’s done after that is down to him.
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The first break is the one that matters though
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #220
I think Eccles is our most improved player by a mile. He's came on leaps and bounds and now doesn't look out of place at all

A very good championship midfielder

Saying that however, we won't get Autos with him starting every game. He still has a lot to improve on with his transition and carrying of the ball, and that's why I feel we were looking at Stamenic,and will see another midfielder come in
 
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Gint11

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #221
I’d like Josh to add 5-7 goals to his name as well
 
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Macca1987

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #222
So he's now Josh 5-7 goals Eccles
 
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blunted

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #223
Matt smith said:
Rudoni/Torp be on corners
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Perennial Lurker said:
His role in the team isn't one that demands goals , look at the likes of Kante , Busquets and others in his position. And before anyone chirps up I'm not comparing him to them .
And I also would hope to see him nowhere near another corner
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Agreed, but like Sheaf and Palmer gets chances from outside the box and often misses the target, or shots end up easy saves for the goalie. O'Hare was the same before his injury. Allen had a better eye for goal before his injury problems last season. Jodi Jones was exactly the same, then he seemed to have got the memo before his unfortunate injuries.
 
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SkyB

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #224
Feels like he'll only get the respect from all of the fan base when he gets linked with a move to a bigger club and a fee of £7-10mill is discussed.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #225
Yeah I don't think it will be long before he's linked to a big move.

I'm sure someone said on here that some PL scouts watched him last season.
 

Hobo

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #226
I think Eccles is a very good player and one who keeps improving. I think he is totally under rated by some of our fans - who as always have some clichéd ideas about certain players.
 
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better days

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #227
Hobo said:
I think Eccles is a very good player and one who keeps improving. I think he is totally under rated by some of our fans - who as always have some clichéd ideas about certain players.
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Not many players of his kind about now
He'll be getting noticed for sure
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #228
Hobo said:
I think Eccles is a very good player and one who keeps improving. I think he is totally under rated by some of our fans - who as always have some clichéd ideas about certain players.
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He's Mr.Consistent , a 7 out of 10 every week if not higher
 
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Hobo

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #229
better days said:
Not many players of his kind about now
He'll be getting noticed for sure
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I think he has more potential than Ben Sheaf and I rate Ben Sheaf highly..
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #230
SkyB said:
Feels like he'll only get the respect from all of the fan base when he gets linked with a move to a bigger club and a fee of £7-10mill is discussed.
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I think he'll only get it when he leaves.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #231
Hobo said:
I think he has more potential than Ben Sheaf and I rate Ben Sheaf highly..
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He has more natural ability than Sheaf and like you i really rate Sheaf. I think he will go further in the game than Sheaf.
 
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MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #232
better days said:
Not many players of his kind about now
He'll be getting noticed for sure
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I'm sure some of our fans would moan if we had Kante...'He didn't do much'...'he's always passing it sideways/backwards'...
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #233
MusicDating said:
I'm sure some of our fans would moan if we had Kante...'He didn't do much'...'he's always passing it sideways/backwards'...
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Some fans don't seem to realise that if you want your ball players to make progressive passes you need somebody to win it back off the opposition sometimes
 
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BlueSkiesForever

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #234
Hobo said:
I think Eccles is a very good player and one who keeps improving. I think he is totally under rated by some of our fans - who as always have some clichéd ideas about certain players.
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What you looking at me for?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #235
MusicDating said:
I'm sure some of our fans would moan if we had Kante...'He didn't do much'...'he's always passing it sideways/backwards'...
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DeBruyne plays a lot of passes sideways and backwards. Our fans would be yelling forward at him. Only Wright had more assists than Eccles last season and Eccles was our deepest lying midfielder.
 
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BlueSkiesForever

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #236
Deleted member 9744 said:
DeBruyne plays a lot of passes sideways and backwards. Our fans would be yelling forward at him. Only Wright had more assists than Eccles last season and Eccles was our deepest lying midfielder.
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Whoa whoa whoa. I didn’t want to be tempted in to bashing Eccles again but you’ve got a nibble from me with that We can’t go down this road of using De Bruyne as a yardstick for what our fans would be saying if we owned him. There is a monumental difference between what KDB does outside of passing sideways and what Eccles does outside of passing sideways. KDB has an insane shot on him, he can take great corners/free kicks, his skill at crossing from deep is unbelievable and his movement and getting into pockets of space is brilliant. I’d argue Eccles has none of those attributes, even at championship level.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #237
BlueSkiesForever said:
Whoa whoa whoa. I didn’t want to be tempted in to bashing Eccles again but you’ve got a nibble from me with that We can’t go down this road of using De Bruyne as a yardstick for what our fans would be saying if we owned him. There is a monumental difference between what KDB does outside of passing sideways and what Eccles does outside of passing sideways. KDB has an insane shot on him, he can take great corners/free kicks, his skill at crossing from deep is unbelievable and his movement and getting into pockets of space is brilliant. I’d argue Eccles has none of those attributes, even at championship level.
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It was quite obvious I wasn't saying Eccles is anyway near DeBruyne level and DeBruyne isn't even a holding midfielder.
 
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BlueSkiesForever

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #238
Deleted member 9744 said:
It was quite obvious I wasn't saying Eccles is anyway near DeBruyne level and DeBruyne isn't even a holding midfielder.
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I know you’re not saying Eccles is as good as KDB, obviously, but you said if we owned KDB then Cov fans would be complaining about his sideways passing. My point is that Eccles doesn’t do enough outside of sideways passing to make up for it, the reason people don’t moan about KDB passing sideways is because he shoots, creates chances, always looks for that threatening pass, has confidence and has good movement. Eccles rarely does any of that and that’s my main issue with him, yes he’s a more defensive player but just because you’re playing in a more defensive role doesn’t mean you can’t try something ambitious or get forward or shoot from time to time.

I think Eccles is a great player to have in our squad but like @Saddlebrains said earlier I don’t think starting him week in week out is a good thing. I’ve got zero evidence for this but I do wonder if there’s a bit of a confidence issue with him, just needs to be a bit less cautious at times, look for that killer pass and try pulling it off every now and again.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #239
BlueSkiesForever said:
I know you’re not saying Eccles is as good as KDB, obviously, but you said if we owned KDB then Cov fans would be complaining about his sideways passing. My point is that Eccles doesn’t do enough outside of sideways passing to make up for it, the reason people don’t moan about KDB passing sideways is because he shoots, creates chances, always looks for that threatening pass, has confidence and has good movement. Eccles rarely does any of that and that’s my main issue with him, yes he’s a more defensive player but just because you’re playing in a more defensive role doesn’t mean you can’t try something ambitious or get forward or shoot from time to time.

I think Eccles is a great player to have in our squad but like @Saddlebrains said earlier I don’t think starting him week in week out is a good thing. I’ve got zero evidence for this but I do wonder if there’s a bit of a confidence issue with him, just needs to be a bit less cautious at times and look for the killer pass every now and again.
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Jesus, you don't half chat shit
 
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BlueSkiesForever

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #240
clint van damme said:
Jesus, you don't half chat shit
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Come on Clint we’ve had a good run of not bickering at each other for a while now, I’m quite happy keeping it that way tbh
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #241
BlueSkiesForever said:
Come on Clint we’ve had a good run of not bickering at each other for a while now, I’m quite happy keeping it that way tbh
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Stop chatting shit then!
Or at least keep it to a paragraph like the rest of us!
 
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BlueSkiesForever

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #242
clint van damme said:
Stop chatting shit then!
Or at least keep it to a paragraph like the rest of us!
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I don’t feel like any of that is shit though
Eccles doesn’t do enough outside of passing sideways and his defensive duties, just not ambitious is enough, if he could improve that aspect of his game he’d be an amazing player.
(Tried to keep that one shorter for you )
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #243
I dunno I can see as a future captain!
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #244
BlueSkiesForever said:
I don’t feel like any of that is shit though
Eccles doesn’t do enough outside of passing sideways and his defensive duties, just not ambitious is enough, if he could improve that aspect of his game he’d be an amazing player.
(Tried to keep that one shorter for you )
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So he had more assists than the rest of the squad apart from Wright last season?
Was that ambitious enough for you ?
 
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Hobo

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #245
BlueSkiesForever said:
I don’t feel like any of that is shit though
Eccles doesn’t do enough outside of passing sideways and his defensive duties, just not ambitious is enough, if he could improve that aspect of his game he’d be an amazing player.
(Tried to keep that one shorter for you )
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I think it depends on the role he is given. You can't have all your midfield bombing forward. Sometimes you need someone to sit and hold back.

But when he does get forward he often puts good intelligent balls into the box. It may not always find a target, but what he does do is work the defenders. Something we don't do enough, especially JDS.

If you make the CB's play the ball you often get possession back, build pressure you force errors. How many OG's have there been in the Euros? Turn defenders and force CB's to play the ball facing their own goal and mistakes happen.

His corner taking isn't as bad as some people make out as we scored a few off them. He lacks consistency with them and Hamer was consistently good..

Both Sheaf and Eccles get in good positions on the edge of the box but then lack composure. It doesn't mean they can't improve on it.

I think you are right at times Eccles needs more confidence but Mark Robins said, "He can be anything he wants to be."

Eccles has some great skills and can take the ball out of the air and into his stride with one touch, as well as anyone at the club.
 
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