Jordan clarke set to sign (2 Viewers)

[skybluegod]

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/coventry-city-fc-news/2011/06/14/jordan-clarke-set-to-sign-coventry-city-deal-92746-28872795/
The first bit of good news for cov lets hope the rest of them sign and thorn brings in some new players

 

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[Scott 79]

I thought Jordan had accepted the contract when first offered?

 

[procdoc]

I thought Jordan had accepted the contract when first offered?

He verbally agreed (remind you of anyone?!) and is going to sign it when he gets back from his holiday

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

He's back from his Holibobs today, so expect news of him signing up for Birmingham later.

 

[ccfc_Tom]

Good news? i personally think hes dreadful, his performance during the leeds away game for example was a disgrace. Dunno whos worse him or barnett.

 

[Glenn Storer]

I have to admit, I try so hard not to slag players off, especially young ones but I just duno, I really don't. I hope he does a BT and proves everyone wrong...but I'll be very surprised

 

[Jimthor]

Good news? i personally think hes dreadful, his performance during the leeds away game for example was a disgrace. Dunno whos worse him or barnett.

Get lost! He's young and still developing, was noticeably improving towards the end of the season. Has good pace which is something we lack as a squad. Got great potential to be a really good attacking fullback, imo. Plus he's a Cov lad and wants to wear the shirt, we could do with players like that. I like him, and he's only going to keep getting better.

 

[ccfc_Tom]

Get lost! He's young and still developing, was noticeably improving towards the end of the season. Has good pace which is something we lack as a squad. Got great potential to be a really good attacking fullback, imo. Plus he's a Cov lad and wants to wear the shirt, we could do with players like that. I like him, and he's only going to keep getting better.

I'd love him to become what your describing, but I can't see that happening. Oh and he doesn't look like he plays for the shirt..

 

[Jimthor]

I think it's so so harsh to hate on some of our hottest young prospects because of a couple of bad games they may have had in their first full season. Remember that Ben Turner lad that was apparently really shit? You don't get chucked in the team as a young lad and shine from the outset. It takes some time for players to develop. He looked really good in the last couple of games of the season.

 

[Glenn Storer]

I'd love him to become what your describing, but I can't see that happening. Oh and he doesn't look like he plays for the shirt..

His passing will need to improve 100% for that, not the best tackler of the ball either imo. Plus, I can't think of a single game where he's looked "fired up" to any degree or anything other than complacent.

You can say that about most of them after last season though

 

[ccfc_Tom]

I think it's so so harsh to hate on some of our hottest young prospects because of a couple of bad games they may have had in their first full season. Remember that Ben Turner lad that was apparently really shit? You don't get chucked in the team as a young lad and shine from the outset. It takes some time for players to develop. He looked really good in the last couple of games of the season.

I'm only slating clarke and hes been getting games for the last couple of seasons and i saw more in Turner than i've seen in clarke to be honest. I'm merely commenting on what I've seen, who knows how good he could get.

 

[Jimthor]

His passing will need to improve 100% for that, not the best tackler of the ball either imo. Plus, I can't think of a single game where he's looked "fired up" to any degree or anything other than complacent.

You can say that about most of them after last season though

Put in a couple of cracking slide tackles in one of the matches at the end of last season (can't remember which, it was either Reading or the home game before that). And 'complacent' is a bit harsh, he was hardly treading about like Freddy, was he?!
Everyone cries out for a bit of pace in the squad, and then when we have a young bloke coming up that has it, everyone's so quick to point out all the other faults in his game, assuming he's never going to improve them.

It might sound like i'm some sort of Clarke megafan touting him to be some sort of saviour-in-the-making. That's not what i'm getting at, but what i am getting at is that he's a kid that's only had half a season (or less!) in the first team, possibly even only as a result of injuries in the squad. He'll make lots of improvements in his game yet, and so to write him off at this stage is jumping the gun by a mile. He's a really good young prospect, i reckon he'll be fighting pretty hard for starts next year.

 

[Glenn Storer]

I'm only slating clarke and hes been getting games for the last couple of seasons and i saw more in Turner than i've seen in clarke to be honest. I'm merely commenting on what I've seen, who knows how good he could get.

Absolutely agree, though I hold my hands up on Turner. I used to hate on that lad, but my old man had him as his player of the season season before last and has never let me live it down! :facepalm:

Yes, he's a hot prospect and yes it's harsh to be critical, but the point is...he's just not really doing it. Even Ben showed great promise as a kid, Jordan gets caught out, positions wrong, tackles badly and gives the ball away. Maybe it'll improve, if it does, I'll be the first to apologise!

 

[Glenn Storer]

Put in a couple of cracking slide tackles in one of the matches at the end of last season (can't remember which, it was either Reading or the home game before that). And 'complacent' is a bit harsh, he was hardly treading about like Freddy, was he?!
Everyone cries out for a bit of pace in the squad, and then when we have a young bloke coming up that has it, everyone's so quick to point out all the other faults in his game, assuming he's never going to improve them.

It might sound like i'm some sort of Clarke megafan touting him to be some sort of saviour-in-the-making. That's not what i'm getting at, but what i am getting at is that he's a kid that's only had half a season (or less!) in the first team, possibly even only as a result of injuries in the squad. He'll make lots of improvements in his game yet, and so to write him off at this stage is jumping the gun by a mile. He's a really good young prospect, i reckon he'll be fighting pretty hard for starts next year.

It seems so popular to bash Fred on this site, you start him, he scores. He didn't really get a proper run last season, for whatever reason. But this is just like the Berbatov arguement, United fans hated Dimi at first because he appears lazy, but that's just his class and the way he moves. Fred's the same, he knows where the back of the net is. You don't get 20 goals in any league without being a good player.

As for Clarke, like I've said I hope he'll press on, but should he push Hussey? I'm not sure.

 

[ccfc_Tom]

Put in a couple of cracking slide tackles in one of the matches at the end of last season (can't remember which, it was either Reading or the home game before that). And 'complacent' is a bit harsh, he was hardly treading about like Freddy, was he?!
Everyone cries out for a bit of pace in the squad, and then when we have a young bloke coming up that has it, everyone's so quick to point out all the other faults in his game, assuming he's never going to improve them.

It might sound like i'm some sort of Clarke megafan touting him to be some sort of saviour-in-the-making. That's not what i'm getting at, but what i am getting at is that he's a kid that's only had half a season (or less!) in the first team, possibly even only as a result of injuries in the squad. He'll make lots of improvements in his game yet, and so to write him off at this stage is jumping the gun by a mile. He's a really good young prospect, i reckon he'll be fighting pretty hard for starts next year.

I'd rather freddy at right or left back.

 

[OyJimmy]

Personally I think both Jordan Clarke and Nathan Cameron have shown more potential at the same age than Ben Turner. So let's see how this goes. I really rate Jordan Clarke.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Clarke in the last 10 games under Thorn was very good for most of them games.
Nathan Cameron is ok, he has good athletic ability and defensive qualities but with the ball at his feet he is the poorest player at the club

 

[fanta80]

Yet more 'fans' who have to find a player to pick on. I was at the last few home games and one guy behind me constantly barracked Jordan Clarke, even when he played very well. We have a young prospect, not the finished article, but never likely to be if so called fans keep knocking him. Players have bad games even 'lord' marlon who missed 7 games from 2 avoidable red cards. He is a good right back for our level who will get better.... if allowed to by all those haters out there.

 

[ashbyjan]

Theres a lot of us experts on here, rating that player, slagging off that one but for me AT sees them every day in training and he has seen enough to commit the club to three year contracts for each of them - if they're good enough for AT they're fine by me.

 

[ccfc_Tom]

Yet more 'fans' who have to find a player to pick on. I was at the last few home games and one guy behind me constantly barracked Jordan Clarke, even when he played very well. We have a young prospect, not the finished article, but never likely to be if so called fans keep knocking him. Players have bad games even 'lord' marlon who missed 7 games from 2 avoidable red cards. He is a good right back for our level who will get better.... if allowed to by all those haters out there.

Why bother discussing individual players on a forum if when people disagree about how good someone is they just get branded haters and ganged up on by people who think every player is great and so they're the best supporters.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

His passing will need to improve 100% for that, not the best tackler of the ball either imo. Plus, I can't think of a single game where he's looked "fired up" to any degree or anything other than complacent.

You can say that about most of them after last season though

I have absolutely zero idea what team you've been watching, but I'm amazed if it's Coventry City! Christ, last time I looked he was getting slagged off on here for going in too hard..he can't win in some peoples eyes, obviously.

How about the fact that he's the best English RB in his age group, and has been for the past 4-5 years? Maybe if Liverpool or Arsenal take an interest (a la Thomas) some people will realise what a cracking prospect he is.

He hits the odd stray pass but no more than anyone in our side bar Bell/Clingan. I actually thought the way he linked play with McSheffrey and the forwards from wide positions last season was superb. He doesn't get much praise, yet twice last year he was criticised on here, during the game, within minutes of making his only error! I didn't see any of that for King when he played the odd poor pass or missed a hatfull-and he undoubtedly put in less effort than Jordan! But criticism of King was High Treason round these parts then, so everybody instantly wiped the incidents fronm their memories

I don't understand why so many fans dislike one of our own players so much. He got booed more last season than any other player where I sit, closely followed by..Cameron and McSheffrey. Every other club gets behind their youth products, rather than making them the first target when things go wrong.

I'd say this about Clarke:

Pros

Fast
Gets forwards well & provides the width in AT's formation along with Hussey
Good first touch
Goes in strong and wins the ball regularly
Scored one of our goals of the season last year
Capped for England at every level up to U-20
Home produced and passionate about the club
Cheap wages
Loyal-was quick to agree to a new contract where others asked their agents first
Versatile-he can do a job at LB or RM-not very well, but he'll get better when out of position with experience
Intercepts the ball regularly due to his pace
Marked 3 or 4 quality players out of the game under AT's management (eg McAnuff)

Cons

Needs to bulk up (comes with age)
Missed a sitter at Midboro
Called a prick a prick on Twitter
Gave the ball away once by trying to dribble past him (string him up! He tried to beat his man! Who does he think he is, Ronaldo?)


And actually, I did think Turner was a cracking player at the time he was booed-certainly better than Arjan de Zeeuw! He won everything in the air, went as close as Wood ever did to scoring without luck, and was at 19 already one of the strongest defenders in our division. One slip up against West Ham didn't make him bad player, and 2 or 3 misplaced passes in a season by Clarke don't make him one either. Concentration is probably the last aspect of a young players game to develop fully.

 

[pusbccfc]

Him and hussey are two quality players at there age.
If anyone saw then at Norwich they were the two best players and clarke did very well against some 35 year old bloke in the Norwich side who was twice the size of him!
Both good players

 

[blueflint]

we need players dedicated to the club the skill factor will improve with experience

 

[sky blue john]

Good news.

 

[Sutty]

Yes, Jordan Clarke's no Maicon, but we're CCFC, and we're lucky enough to have the England U20s right-back on our books. Let's give him a chance eh?

 

[Ernie Machin]

Very far from the finished article, but he's definitely got a future in the game if he knuckles down and fills out a bit. He seemed to lack confidence at times, but he's 19 ffs, give the boy a chance..

 

[mattylad]

Leon best, Jay Bothroyd now add Jordan Clarke when will people learn to get off these kids backs and give them time.

 

[fanta80]

Why bother discussing individual players on a forum if when people disagree about how good someone is they just get branded haters and ganged up on by people who think every player is great and so they're the best supporters.

Im far from a fan who considers everybody great but i cannot stand people who deliberately single out players for criticism when there isnt any real base for it. We are talking about a young kid who is, in my opinion, getting better every game and yet fans such as yourself jump on his back over one bad tackle or bad game. Im sure you werent here having a go at King when he got his second red card in needless circumstances. So yes i stand by my statement that there are haters and i wish they would give people a chance.

 

[canningt]

he will be worth a lot more in 3 years so worth signing him and seeing how he turns out.

 

[Ernie Machin]

Anytime I see the that Canning username, I think of Larry Canning, who used to do the halftime/fulltime reports on Radio 5 from Highfield Road. Him and Pat Murphy. Good oul Larry.

 

[cloughie]

I have absolutely zero idea what team you've been watching, but I'm amazed if it's Coventry City! Christ, last time I looked he was getting slagged off on here for going in too hard..he can't win in some peoples eyes, obviously.

How about the fact that he's the best English RB in his age group, and has been for the past 4-5 years? Maybe if Liverpool or Arsenal take an interest (a la Thomas) some people will realise what a cracking prospect he is.

He hits the odd stray pass but no more than anyone in our side bar Bell/Clingan. I actually thought the way he linked play with McSheffrey and the forwards from wide positions last season was superb. He doesn't get much praise, yet twice last year he was criticised on here, during the game, within minutes of making his only error! I didn't see any of that for King when he played the odd poor pass or missed a hatfull-and he undoubtedly put in less effort than Jordan! But criticism of King was High Treason round these parts then, so everybody instantly wiped the incidents fronm their memories

I don't understand why so many fans dislike one of our own players so much. He got booed more last season than any other player where I sit, closely followed by..Cameron and McSheffrey. Every other club gets behind their youth products, rather than making them the first target when things go wrong.

I'd say this about Clarke:

Pros

Fast
Gets forwards well & provides the width in AT's formation along with Hussey
Good first touch
Goes in strong and wins the ball regularly
Scored one of our goals of the season last year
Capped for England at every level up to U-20
Home produced and passionate about the club
Cheap wages
Loyal-was quick to agree to a new contract where others asked their agents first
Versatile-he can do a job at LB or RM-not very well, but he'll get better when out of position with experience
Intercepts the ball regularly due to his pace
Marked 3 or 4 quality players out of the game under AT's management (eg McAnuff)

Cons

Needs to bulk up (comes with age)
Missed a sitter at Midboro
Called a prick a prick on Twitter
Gave the ball away once by trying to dribble past him (string him up! He tried to beat his man! Who does he think he is, Ronaldo?)


And actually, I did think Turner was a cracking player at the time he was booed-certainly better than Arjan de Zeeuw! He won everything in the air, went as close as Wood ever did to scoring without luck, and was at 19 already one of the strongest defenders in our division. One slip up against West Ham didn't make him bad player, and 2 or 3 misplaced passes in a season by Clarke don't make him one either. Concentration is probably the last aspect of a young players game to develop fully.

Well said ! At last some sense talked instead of the negative rubbishing of good young players.

 

[ccfc_Tom]

Leon best, Jay Bothroyd now add Jordan Clarke when will people learn to get off these kids backs and give them time.

Expect him to leave when he comes good then.

 

[Glenn Storer]

Expect him to leave when he comes good then.

Gunna agree with that. Best was booed because he wanted to leave and go to Forest, don't forget that. A little bit of loyalty is all it takes to soothe City fans. When was the last time anyone said actually, no I want to stay at Cov.

 

[oldskyblue58]

A lot of the time it isnt about the loyalty of the player it is the financial needs of the club. If a player knows that the club are looking to cash in of course his head will be turned, add to this the greedy nature of agents and it is no surprise that players move on.

It is a stated policy of the club to have a positive cash flow from player transactions and that can only mean one thing for our youngsters ..... once they become a valuable commodity the club will be open to offers.

So long as we have a good youth policy that is properly funded and supported then I don't in current circumstances have a problem with that because the club must do what it must to survive.

However in the ideal world we wouldnt be in the financial mire and would hold on to the likes of Thomas, Clarke, Cameron etc and build the team around them and the others we develop

Also got to agree with other posters here .... lay off the youngsters and give them a chance.... they will make mistakes but thats how they learn best. Players do not play well if scared to make a mistake. You dont actually push on, by staying safe and not risking making mistakes - we dont want safe mediocre players we want ones that progress. Thats important for the team and finances.