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Joining 'Greater Birmingham' would be good for the City, says Ann Lucas.. (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date May 18, 2015
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Mick Scoop

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  • May 20, 2015
  • #36
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petiti...her-they-should-be-part-of-greater-birmingham

There is a petition for what it's worth........
 
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SimonGilbert

Telegraph Tea Boy
  • May 20, 2015
  • #37
Couple of updates to this today. Changed the picture painted so far significantly.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-warwickshire-not-small-attract-9297405

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/ne...e-councils-against-joining-birmingham-9296186
 

Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #38
SimonGilbert said:
Couple of updates to this today. Changed the picture painted so far significantly.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-warwickshire-not-small-attract-9297405

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/ne...e-councils-against-joining-birmingham-9296186
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You mean other areas are applying common sense!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 20, 2015
  • #39
Can someone explain how an alliance with Coventry and Warks would work?

atm Warks is tiered, where the Boroughs and Districts run underneath the county. Would they expect something similar to happen, with a COv + Warks alliance being an extra tier above the Warks one, or would it be Cov would go to a lower tier like RBC and WDC, with a new overarching Cov + Warks authority above them?

tbh I don't really understand. I've seen all the claims about how this alliance or that would be great, but I don't really know why other than a promise of more money... which seems bribery, to me.

I do know that the ill-fated West Midlands authority didn't... work.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #40
If we're joining up with anyone surely Warwickshire makes the most sense. When Lucas comes out and says if we don't join Birmingham we'll be ignored isn't she saying she's not very good at her job as she's the one who's supposed to get the best for the city?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #41
Deleted member 5849 said:
Can someone explain how an alliance with Coventry and Warks would work?

atm Warks is tiered, where the Boroughs and Districts run underneath the county. Would they expect something similar to happen, with a COv + Warks alliance being an extra tier above the Warks one, or would it be Cov would go to a lower tier like RBC and WDC, with a new overarching Cov + Warks authority above them?

tbh I don't really understand. I've seen all the claims about how this alliance or that would be great, but I don't really know why other than a promise of more money... which seems bribery, to me.
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From what I've seen it's an extra layer so CCC would still exist but there would be a Coventry & Warwickshire Council in addition. That council would be responsible for things currently done by government, so they would get a chunk of money for things like transport and economic development. That's my understanding anyway. The whole concept seems a bit of a half baked idea. If you want to start devolving powers to the regions surely you look at the whole council structure. How much money is going to wasted bringing these authorities into existence and running them?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 20, 2015
  • #42
chiefdave said:
From what I've seen it's an extra layer so CCC would still exist but there would be a Coventry & Warwickshire Council in addition. That council would be responsible for things currently done by government, so they would get a chunk of money for things like transport and economic development. That's my understanding anyway. The whole concept seems a bit of a half baked idea. If you want to start devolving powers to the regions surely you look at the whole council structure. How much money is going to wasted bringing these authorities into existence and running them?
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So we'd have, say, as a tier for Warwickshire as it is:

Cov + Warks
WCC
RBC, WDC, N&BBC, and SDC?

Or the Cov+ Warks one would be a merger/acquisition of bits of services currently delivered by WCC and CCC, into the new C&WCC?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #43
Deleted member 5849 said:
So we'd have, say, as a tier for Warwickshire as it is:

Cov + Warks
WCC
RBC, WDC, N&BBC, and SDC?

Or the Cov+ Warks one would be a merger/acquisition of bits of services currently delivered by WCC and CCC, into the new C&WCC?
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Isn't the idea to almost disband councils and set up new organisations (or slim lined councils for want of a better word), to deliver services on the ground.


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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 20, 2015
  • #44
stupot07 said:
Isn't the idea to almost disband councils and set up new organisations (or slim lined councils for want of a better word), to deliver services on the ground.
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So WCC no longer exists, but the Parks section, say, runs as an autonomous body (a Trust?) loosely tied to a higher body?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #45
Deleted member 5849 said:
So WCC no longer exists, but the Parks section, say, runs as an autonomous body (a Trust?) loosely tied to a higher body?
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I can't seem to find anything online, but was listening to them talk about it on the radio but yeah that's what would loosely happen. Cov & warks would join as a strategic authority then borough council type organisations sitting underneath.

They would definitely look to break things up where they can, like you said set up parks as a social enterprise, Tupe staff over, then they can bids for private works, etc.


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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 20, 2015
  • #46
stupot07 said:
I can't seem to find anything online, but was listening to them talk about it on the radio but yeah that's what would loosely happen. Cov & warks would join as a strategic authority then borough council type organisations sitting underneath.
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But isn't that what happens now with WCC anyway?

(Things like parks, heritage etc are run under WCC. Areas such as planning are under the Borough and Distruct councils)
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #47
Deleted member 5849 said:
But isn't that what happens now with WCC anyway?

(Things like parks, heritage etc are run under WCC. Areas such as planning are under the Borough and Distruct councils)
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Yeah, kind of, but then you'd joint services together with Coventry, and things like planning would be brought up to strategic level not borough level so that you have that strategic development oversight, etc.

To be honest, I think the idea is a glorified version of the old Regional Development Agency, which the tory's scrapped when they came in. I think it's dangerous having 1 person come in and make all these decisions, as a number of areas have found out with the Police Commissioner roles.


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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 20, 2015
  • #48
stupot07 said:
Yeah, kind of, but then you'd joint services together with Coventry
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Hmmmm. Now where's my CV

It all seems, tbh, reorganisation for the sake of reorganisation.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #49
Deleted member 5849 said:
Hmmmm. Now where's my CV

It all seems, tbh, reorganisation for the sake of reorganisation.
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Definitely. As I said thinks I added if before hour replied, it's like the bastard child of the regional development agency.


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Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #50
chiefdave said:
From what I've seen it's an extra layer so CCC would still exist but there would be a Coventry & Warwickshire Council in addition. That council would be responsible for things currently done by government, so they would get a chunk of money for things like transport and economic development. That's my understanding anyway. The whole concept seems a bit of a half baked idea. If you want to start devolving powers to the regions surely you look at the whole council structure. How much money is going to wasted bringing these authorities into existence and running them?
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should warwickshire have the same concerns as we do with Brum i.e. would you trust cov council with a potential say in your towns budget??
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #51
Covstu said:
should warwickshire have the same concerns as we do with Brum i.e. would you trust cov council with a potential say in your towns budget??
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Personally I wouldn't trust Lucas with anything! What would be the populations covered by the various councils if we joined up with Warks? I doubt we'd be as dominant a partner as Brum, plus we have things such as the Cov and Warks Chamber, NHS Trust etc already in place so it seems a more natural fit.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #52
stupot07 said:
Yeah, kind of, but then you'd joint services together with Coventry, and things like planning would be brought up to strategic level not borough level so that you have that strategic development oversight, etc.

To be honest, I think the idea is a glorified version of the old Regional Development Agency, which the tory's scrapped when they came in. I think it's dangerous having 1 person come in and make all these decisions, as a number of areas have found out with the Police Commissioner roles.


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Indeed.....
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #53
I bet there won't be just one leader, will there Ann?

Deleted member 5849 said:
Hmmmm. Now where's my CV

It all seems, tbh, reorganisation for the sake of reorganisation.
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #54
Absolutely, county's shouldn't be stripped of their identity to become just one big sprawling mass (mess).

Covstu said:
should warwickshire have the same concerns as we do with Brum i.e. would you trust cov council with a potential say in your towns budget??
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 20, 2015
  • #55
torchomatic said:
Absolutely, county's shouldn't be stripped of their identity to become just one big sprawling mass (mess).
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Although tbf Cov was Warwickshire for many many years until county reorganisation.

(although so was Brum too)
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #56
Yes, that's correct. It confuses people who do family trees! Solihull, Warwickshire for example. 1974 wasn't it?

Deleted member 5849 said:
Although tbf Cov was Warwickshire for many many years until county reorganisation.

(although so was Brum too)
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Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • May 20, 2015
  • #57
I was born in Coventry, WARWICKSHIRE. It says so on my birth certificate. It will ALWAYS be Warwickshire to me. And nothing whatsover to do with Birmingham or West bloody Midlands!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 20, 2015
  • #58
The Newsbot's going for a story every hour?

NEWS : Coventry partnership with Birmingham rejected by 83 per cent of poll voters


Started by Newsbot, 1 Hour Ago

Newsbot
1 Hour Ago
NEWS : Coventry partnership with Birmingham rejected by 82 per cent of poll voters


Started by Newsbot, 2 Hours Ago
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oakey

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2015
  • #59
Houchens Head said:
I was born in Coventry, WARWICKSHIRE. It says so on my birth certificate. It will ALWAYS be Warwickshire to me. And nothing whatsover to do with Birmingham or West bloody Midlands!
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Me too. Although I now live in Yam Yam land. Can't see a problem with a big authority as long as there is no reference to Birmingham in the name. I favour the old name, Mercia.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 20, 2015
  • #60
oakey said:
Me too. Although I now live in Yam Yam land. Can't see a problem with a big authority as long as there is no reference to Birmingham in the name. I favour the old name, Mercia.
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Bring back the Hemlingford Hundred!
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2015
  • #61
I doubt anyone would notice. There is little character left in the old place anymore, pretty much a mirror image of Birmingscum
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2015
  • #62
Looks like people are coming out in favour of Coventry being aligned with Warwickshire only and that can only be a good thing ! It's probably what everyone apart from Lucas wants as well !
 

Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2015
  • #63
Ashdown said:
Looks like people are coming out in favour of Coventry being aligned with Warwickshire only and that can only be a good thing ! It's probably what everyone apart from Lucas wants as well !
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Just waiting for Lucas to call us all idiots and misguided....
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 21, 2015
  • #64
Covstu said:
Just waiting for Lucas to call us all idiots and misguided....
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Or tell us to grow up!
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 22, 2015
  • #65
Deleted member 5849 said:
Although tbf Cov was Warwickshire for many many years until county reorganisation.

(although so was Brum too)
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Was Brum Warwickshire? I thought it was Staffs. Can't be sure though.

I think Warwickshire sounds nicer, but in the real world, the regional economic power is with Birmingham. Economicaly we would be better off together with Birmingham than Warks - but our pride would certainly be hurt and we would loose our individuality.
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • May 22, 2015
  • #66
martcov said:
Was Brum Warwickshire? I thought it was Staffs. Can't be sure though.

I think Warwickshire sounds nicer, but in the real world, the regional economic power is with Birmingham. Economicaly we would be better off together with Birmingham than Warks - but our pride would certainly be hurt and we would loose our individuality.
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We wouldn't be better off at all with a Birmingham dominated council, I could see immediate issues with actually obtaining our 'share' of the funding.
 

Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • May 22, 2015
  • #67
martcov said:
Was Brum Warwickshire? I thought it was Staffs. Can't be sure though.

I think Warwickshire sounds nicer, but in the real world, the regional economic power is with Birmingham. Economicaly we would be better off together with Birmingham than Warks - but our pride would certainly be hurt and we would loose our individuality.
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There are major issues in Brum in respect to roads and housing, i could see our budgets disappear in that bottomless pit...
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 22, 2015
  • #68
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-council-greater-birmingham-9310267

Coventry City Council will spend up to £250,000 as it aims to explain to the public why it wants to join Birmingham in a Combined Authority.
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Weber Shandwick coming back out to play?
 

Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • May 22, 2015
  • #69
Nick said:
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-council-greater-birmingham-9310267



Weber Shandwick coming back out to play?
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So looking like circa £600k to table this whoe thing but then saying we are not giving the public the right to make that decision! Yes because you will know what the public will say!!
 
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Sky Blue Dal

Well-Known Member
  • May 22, 2015
  • #70
REFEREENDUM NOW YOU STUPID WOMAN!!!

No way should Coventry even think about joining forces with Birmingham and Black country.

Under this and past Labour Councils all Coventry has been doing is going backwards.

Spend that £250,000 of tax payers money on a referendum. It is up to the people of Coventry to decide the future and direction the city should take and not some no mark council leader who obviously does not understand the democratic process.

See the updated telegraph poll and take note Anne.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-warwickshire-not-small-attract-9297405


Also note by joining B'ham we will be inheriting there debts they built up on after losing there very costly sexual discrimination case in high court. They are still paying it.
 
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