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bringbackrattles

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  • Dec 19, 2020
  • #1
Five years ago today that the great man passed away. My dad started taking me to watch us play at Highfield Road just after Jimmy had taken over. And it didn't take me long to become a fan of the Sky Blues as I loved everything about the place, the atmosphere and the football his teams would play. Jimmy Hill a Coventry City legend.
 
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JulianDarbyFTW

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  • Dec 19, 2020
  • #2
He was a little before my time, but his memory lives on through our wonderful club. Every club needs a legend, and we got one.
 
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Houchens Head

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  • Dec 19, 2020
  • #3
Have to agree with everything you've said, BBR. I, too, started my love of the City when he was in charge. 1963 was my first game. Nearly 58 years ago!
PUSB!
RIP Sir Jimmy!
 
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bringbackrattles

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  • Dec 19, 2020
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Houchens Head said:
Have to agree with everything you've said, BBR. I, too, started my love of the City when he was in charge. 1963 was my first game. Nearly 58 years ago!
PUSB!
RIP Sir Jimmy!
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Decked out in sky blue and sporting a big rosette,and clicking our wooden rattles. Down the front of the Spion Kop,with my dad and his mates stood further up the terraces. Like a scene from The Fast Show ! Great days.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 19, 2020
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bringbackrattles said:
Decked out in sky blue and sporting a big rosette,and clicking our wooden rattles. Down the front of the Spion Kop,with my dad and his mates stood further up the terraces. Like a scene from The Fast Show ! Great days.
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Jumpers for goalposts. Hmmm. Isn't it? Marvellous,
 
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skyblueinBaku

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  • Dec 19, 2020
  • #6
JH was a great man and remains the soul of the club.
 
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Houchens Head

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  • Dec 19, 2020
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skyblueindorset said:
JH was a great man and remains the soul of the club.
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I'd like to think that, in years to come, (probably after I've pegged it!) Mark Robins might be held in the same esteem. He's done brilliantly up to now.
 
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bringbackrattles

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  • Dec 19, 2020
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Houchens Head said:
I'd like to think that, in years to come, (probably after I've pegged it!) Mark Robins might be held in the same esteem. He's done brilliantly up to now.
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Before the both of us pop off and leave this mortal coil, let's hope we get to see us back in the Premier League. With Robins in charge I reckon it could happen, he's doing a great job nevertheless.
 
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higgs

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  • Dec 19, 2020
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Pity his statue is disrespected by being outside a wasps nest

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Sky Blue Wozza

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  • Wednesday at 11:10 AM
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I've been subscribing to an email that lists interesting TV/ Radio programmes for about 25 years now - one of the regular features they do is profiling a star from TV of yesteryear. Last week it was our Jimmy - have copied + pasted from the email the article, if anyone fancies a read. (Will post accompanying YouTube clips at the end)

Well, with the new era for Match of the Day beginning this weekend, we thought we’d take the opportunity to highlight probably its most famous face. He’s a man who made probably a bigger contribution to football than anyone else, and yet despite, or maybe because of that, he was never universally popular, especially in Scotland. Are you watching...

JIMMY HILL


Easy to forget that before all the telly fame, Jimmy was actually a half-decent footballer who had a pretty good career. Born in Balham in 1928, he was obsessed with football as a boy and started his professional career with Brentford in 1949, before moving to Fulham in 1952 and staying for nearly a decade, helping them reach the First Division for the first time. This was a million miles away from the current explosion of content surrounding football, but Jimmy established himself as one of more media-friendly players, always happy to give interviews and arranging various endorsements, including a memorable advert for Remington where “Fulham’s famous bearded inside right” put his chin to good use.

Actually Jimmy did contribute to the current era of football domination as he was Chairman of the PFA when the maximum wage was abandoned, allowing players to earn bigger wages, though it’s a fair bet he didn’t anticipate what that would lead to. But he was also thinking about the future of football and in the early sixties wrote a manifesto for football which turned out to offer suggestions that were years ahead of their time, including all-seater stadia, pre-match entertainment and live matches on TV. He was able to put some of those ideas into practice when he became manager of Coventry in 1962, where he transformed the club on and off the pitch, taking them from going nowhere into the Third Division to promotion to the First. But he’d never manage them in the top flight, as he fell out with the board and quit – but wasn’t wanting for work.

His media work and his forthright opinions had already caught the eye of the broadcasters, and he’d been a pundit on the Beeb’s coverage of the 1966 World Cup. In 1968 the newly-formed LWT hired him to be Head of Sport, with the aim to revitalise ITV’s rather staid football coverage and take on the Beeb. His first decision was to poach Brian Moore from BBC Radio, and when Moore was told a Mr Hill was on the phone for him, the only one he could think of was Lord Hill, the BBC chairman, and he wondered what he’d done that was so awful the Chairman was phoning him. Together they devised The Big Match, which swiftly became a Sunday afternoon institution – a show that took football seriously, but also realised it should be fun as well, so it accompanied the highlights with stacks of features, interviews and competitions. And Jimmy played an important role on screen as well, taking a few minutes every week to explain the finest technical points of the game. Nobody had ever really done that on TV before and Moore was convinced that he completely changed the way football was discussed in Britain.

For a while, The Big Match was about the only show on LWT that was actually successful, its early days being something of a disaster with various executives making a swift exit, and such was the boardroom turmoil that for a while Jimmy found himself as Deputy Director of Programmes. But this additional work off screen didn’t limit his appearances on screen, and he was consistently looking for ways to innovate and bring a new perspective to football coverage, including one week taking Raquel Welch to Chelsea, for reasons which have been somewhat lost in the mists of time.

In addition to revolutionising football coverage during the season, in 1970 he shook it up in the World Cup as well. Now, Jimmy wasn’t the first person to invent the punditry panel, because he’d been on one on the Beeb in 1966. But what Jimmy did was cast a panel that would spark off each other, with lots of big personalities, and also have them on every single day of the tournament, as well as giving them licence to be suitably outspoken. None of them went to Mexico, and indeed didn’t get any further than the North Circular, but they were all put up in a hotel when they ran up the biggest bar bills in the venue’s history. It was money well spent, though, as Malcolm Allison, Paddy Crerand, Derek Dougan and Bob McNab quickly became huge stars. It’s often quoted that it was the only time ITV beat the BBC at the tournament, which we actually don’t think is true, but it was pretty close – and Granada were off air because of a strike for some of it including the final which would have cost them a few million viewers – and it was certainly influential as the first time pundits expressed opinions more challenging than “hard luck”.

And as well as making waves on and off screen, at LWT Jimmy managed to fill a few more roles in the game. One of the most famous moments in his career came in September 1972 when he went to Highbury to watch Arsenal vs Liverpool ahead of its appearance on The Big Match and found himself pressed into service as a linesman as nobody else was available. A few months later, Brian Moore was ill so he did his one and only stint as commentator, undergoing a bit of a baptism of fire as Brighton vs Chelsea in the FA Cup turned out to be a right roustabout of a Cup tie with the fists flying throughout, though Jim just about managed to hold it together.

By 1973 Jim had done pretty much everything at LWT apart from clean the toilets, and had established ITV Sport as a first-class alternative to the BBC. But for all his prominence, The Big Match wasn’t nationally networked with the other major regional companies doing their own thing, so while he seen UK-wide during the tournaments, for the other eleven months of the year he was pretty much invisible outside London. Seemingly one too many cab drivers outside the capital asked him what he was doing these days and so he accepted an offer to join the BBC and get the national platform he felt he deserved. No executive role here, but he became very much the face of the Corporation’s football coverage, not just punditing but presenting as well.

And for the rest of the seventies Jimmy’s Match of the Day became a Saturday night institution. He was never the slickest of presenters, making some memorable cock-ups (“Send your entries to Goal of the Month, BBC TV, London W12 8QT, read twice”) but he had bags of authority and also plenty of opinions which he wasn’t scared of expressing. That did mean that over the course of the season he was seemingly guaranteed to say something that annoyed the fans of all 92 league clubs, and even manage to irritate some viewers by the way he announced a goalless draw as “nought-nought” rather than “nil-nil”. And after he seemingly turned his nose up at Scottish football, not least by writing off David Neary’s wonder goal in the 1982 World Cup as a fluke, he was particularly unpopular north of the border. But he clearly had the game’s best interests at heart and once said that he would be happy on Cup Final day if the match was rubbish but there’d been a suitably solemn rendition of Abide with Me.

And Jimmy never minded the criticism at all, happily laughing off the chants addressed to him when fans spotted him at a ground by saying “well, that’s fame for you”. He also did as much as anyone to keep football in the public eye during the dark days of the eighties, always looking to accentuate the positive and try and encourage lapsed fans to give it another chance. It was a bit of a blow for Jimmy and the whole of the Beeb in 1988 though when they lost the rights to league football to ITV, leaving them with just England and the FA Cup, and for a new approach for a new era Jimmy moved from presenter back to his old role of pundit.
 
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Sky Blue Wozza

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  • Wednesday at 11:10 AM
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Match of the Day came back on a regular basis with the Premier League in 1992, but as the Beeb’s Brian Barwick put it, Jimmy was “keeping his powder dry for the big occasions”, and so made way most weeks for a new breed of pundit as embodied by Alan Hansen. But he did return for England matches and the Cup Final and during the tournaments, where even though the game was moving on he was still eager to have his say. It did seem as if he didn’t get on with some of the other pundits, but Jimmy pointed out that he agreed with Alan Hansen nine times out of ten, but because he was an journalist at heart he would pick the tenth point to make it more interesting. And behind the scenes everyone was very fond of him, as a generous man who was always happy to send himself up.



And maybe absence made the heart grow fonder, but as the nineties continued you saw a few people starting to suggest that actually when he appeared on TV they’d started to quite like the silly old sod, because his heart was in the right place and they had fond memories of growing up with him on TV. Indeed, for some people his appearance on This Is Your Life in 1995 turned out to be a harrowing experience as it turned out all their perceptions were shattered and he seemed to be really quite a nice person.



But given it was now some forty years since his playing days, and thirty years since his managerial career ended, you could certainly argue he was possibly a bit out of touch with the modern game. He had one last hurrah at France 98 where he made a final memorable contribution when he suggested the Romanian team all dying their hair blonde gave them a tactical advantage – though we don’t think it’s that demented a suggestion, really – but the Beeb declined to renew his contract after that. He was eager to continue in broadcasting, though, and requested they didn’t make any reference to the final being his last broadcast in case people thought he was retiring, much to Des’ dismay as he got a million complaints for being rude and not mentioning it.



Although he hadn’t left the Beeb on the best of terms, they did mark the occasion that Christmas with an entertaining documentary, and as he hoped he did land a new job as well, on Sky Sports. On there he had his own show called The Last Word where he’d pontificate on a topical issue, and he did the odd bit of punditry as well where opposite Richard Keys he had the pleasure of for once not being the most irritating person on screen. His longest-lasting engagement, though, was Jimmy Hill’s Sunday Supplement where he’d gather together a gaggle of hacks to debate the week’s talking points, which was most memorable for his continued desperate attempts to pretend the obvious studio set was his own house, right down to increasingly bizarre ways to link into the adverts (“I’m just popping out to pay the milkman”). Jimmy stayed on the show until 2007, although increasingly the other panellists did much of the heavy lifting in terms of presenting, and then quietly retired.



Jimmy made a few more public appearances but was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s Disease in 2008 and so spent the last few years of his life out of the limelight before dying in 2015. It would be fair to say that Jimmy was absolutely an acquired taste, often coming across as pompous or preposterous, and later in life, especially when trying to defend Ron Atkinson, he seemed totally out of touch, sometimes offensively so. But his pioneering work can’t be ignored, doing as much as anyone to shape the modern game and keeping it alive during some tough times, while he was a tireless campaigner for charity and generous to a fault off screen, and no doubt for many people Saturday nights with Jim are a fond memory. So let’s raise a glass of light ale in his memory.
 
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blunted

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Jim completely transformed football especially at the City. 36k average gates tells you something. Best supported club in the Midlands at the time.
Think the resume about him is a bit ingenuous as he totally changed the game. He did not fall out with the City, he wanted security that TV offered. Absolutely modernised the game at Coventry which is missed on that coverage of his career. We got a new name, a new kit, a new song. He transformed half-time entertainment, the first televised away match at the ground, Sky Blue Lottery and special trains (the Sky Blue Express). He tried to put advertising on the shirts but the stuffy powers in charge vetoed it. All the other clubs copied us.
I believe he was also instrumental in changing the three points for a win when football was going through a boring patch.
Thought Jim was liked for his presentations and observations, as he was so astute. Possibly not in Sunderland.
Like any visionary he made mistakes. The all-seater stadium and investment in American soccer was too far ahead of the curve.
 
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blunted said:
Jim completely transformed football especially at the City. 36k average gates tells you something. Best supported club in the Midlands at the time.
Think the resume about him is a bit ingenuous as he totally changed the game. He did not fall out with the City, he wanted security that TV offered. Absolutely modernised the game at Coventry which is missed on that coverage of his career. We got a new name, a new kit, a new song. He transformed half-time entertainment, the first televised away match at the ground, Sky Blue Lottery and special trains (the Sky Blue Express). He tried to put advertising on the shirts but the stuffy powers in charge vetoed it. All the other clubs copied us.
I believe he was also instrumental in changing the three points for a win when football was going through a boring patch.
Thought Jim was liked for his presentations and observations, as he was so astute. Possibly not in Sunderland.
Like any visionary he made mistakes. The all-seater stadium and investment in American soccer was too far ahead of the curve.
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Accept I think I read that going all seater actually gave us a financial edge for a period?
 

RegTheDonk

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  • Wednesday at 9:18 PM
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Thanks for this Wossa. Nice read up and a lovely way to spend an evening, watching those clips.
 
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Sky Blue Wozza

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RegTheDonk said:
Thanks for this Wossa. Nice read up and a lovely way to spend an evening, watching those clips.
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You’re welcome Reg
 
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Skybluecol

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  • Wednesday at 9:37 PM
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Sky Blue Wozza said:
I've been subscribing to an email that lists interesting TV/ Radio programmes for about 25 years now - one of the regular features they do is profiling a star from TV of yesteryear. Last week it was our Jimmy - have copied + pasted from the email the article, if anyone fancies a read. (Will post accompanying YouTube clips at the end)

Well, with the new era for Match of the Day beginning this weekend, we thought we’d take the opportunity to highlight probably its most famous face. He’s a man who made probably a bigger contribution to football than anyone else, and yet despite, or maybe because of that, he was never universally popular, especially in Scotland. Are you watching...

JIMMY HILL


Easy to forget that before all the telly fame, Jimmy was actually a half-decent footballer who had a pretty good career. Born in Balham in 1928, he was obsessed with football as a boy and started his professional career with Brentford in 1949, before moving to Fulham in 1952 and staying for nearly a decade, helping them reach the First Division for the first time. This was a million miles away from the current explosion of content surrounding football, but Jimmy established himself as one of more media-friendly players, always happy to give interviews and arranging various endorsements, including a memorable advert for Remington where “Fulham’s famous bearded inside right” put his chin to good use.

Actually Jimmy did contribute to the current era of football domination as he was Chairman of the PFA when the maximum wage was abandoned, allowing players to earn bigger wages, though it’s a fair bet he didn’t anticipate what that would lead to. But he was also thinking about the future of football and in the early sixties wrote a manifesto for football which turned out to offer suggestions that were years ahead of their time, including all-seater stadia, pre-match entertainment and live matches on TV. He was able to put some of those ideas into practice when he became manager of Coventry in 1962, where he transformed the club on and off the pitch, taking them from going nowhere into the Third Division to promotion to the First. But he’d never manage them in the top flight, as he fell out with the board and quit – but wasn’t wanting for work.

His media work and his forthright opinions had already caught the eye of the broadcasters, and he’d been a pundit on the Beeb’s coverage of the 1966 World Cup. In 1968 the newly-formed LWT hired him to be Head of Sport, with the aim to revitalise ITV’s rather staid football coverage and take on the Beeb. His first decision was to poach Brian Moore from BBC Radio, and when Moore was told a Mr Hill was on the phone for him, the only one he could think of was Lord Hill, the BBC chairman, and he wondered what he’d done that was so awful the Chairman was phoning him. Together they devised The Big Match, which swiftly became a Sunday afternoon institution – a show that took football seriously, but also realised it should be fun as well, so it accompanied the highlights with stacks of features, interviews and competitions. And Jimmy played an important role on screen as well, taking a few minutes every week to explain the finest technical points of the game. Nobody had ever really done that on TV before and Moore was convinced that he completely changed the way football was discussed in Britain.

For a while, The Big Match was about the only show on LWT that was actually successful, its early days being something of a disaster with various executives making a swift exit, and such was the boardroom turmoil that for a while Jimmy found himself as Deputy Director of Programmes. But this additional work off screen didn’t limit his appearances on screen, and he was consistently looking for ways to innovate and bring a new perspective to football coverage, including one week taking Raquel Welch to Chelsea, for reasons which have been somewhat lost in the mists of time.

In addition to revolutionising football coverage during the season, in 1970 he shook it up in the World Cup as well. Now, Jimmy wasn’t the first person to invent the punditry panel, because he’d been on one on the Beeb in 1966. But what Jimmy did was cast a panel that would spark off each other, with lots of big personalities, and also have them on every single day of the tournament, as well as giving them licence to be suitably outspoken. None of them went to Mexico, and indeed didn’t get any further than the North Circular, but they were all put up in a hotel when they ran up the biggest bar bills in the venue’s history. It was money well spent, though, as Malcolm Allison, Paddy Crerand, Derek Dougan and Bob McNab quickly became huge stars. It’s often quoted that it was the only time ITV beat the BBC at the tournament, which we actually don’t think is true, but it was pretty close – and Granada were off air because of a strike for some of it including the final which would have cost them a few million viewers – and it was certainly influential as the first time pundits expressed opinions more challenging than “hard luck”.

And as well as making waves on and off screen, at LWT Jimmy managed to fill a few more roles in the game. One of the most famous moments in his career came in September 1972 when he went to Highbury to watch Arsenal vs Liverpool ahead of its appearance on The Big Match and found himself pressed into service as a linesman as nobody else was available. A few months later, Brian Moore was ill so he did his one and only stint as commentator, undergoing a bit of a baptism of fire as Brighton vs Chelsea in the FA Cup turned out to be a right roustabout of a Cup tie with the fists flying throughout, though Jim just about managed to hold it together.

By 1973 Jim had done pretty much everything at LWT apart from clean the toilets, and had established ITV Sport as a first-class alternative to the BBC. But for all his prominence, The Big Match wasn’t nationally networked with the other major regional companies doing their own thing, so while he seen UK-wide during the tournaments, for the other eleven months of the year he was pretty much invisible outside London. Seemingly one too many cab drivers outside the capital asked him what he was doing these days and so he accepted an offer to join the BBC and get the national platform he felt he deserved. No executive role here, but he became very much the face of the Corporation’s football coverage, not just punditing but presenting as well.

And for the rest of the seventies Jimmy’s Match of the Day became a Saturday night institution. He was never the slickest of presenters, making some memorable cock-ups (“Send your entries to Goal of the Month, BBC TV, London W12 8QT, read twice”) but he had bags of authority and also plenty of opinions which he wasn’t scared of expressing. That did mean that over the course of the season he was seemingly guaranteed to say something that annoyed the fans of all 92 league clubs, and even manage to irritate some viewers by the way he announced a goalless draw as “nought-nought” rather than “nil-nil”. And after he seemingly turned his nose up at Scottish football, not least by writing off David Neary’s wonder goal in the 1982 World Cup as a fluke, he was particularly unpopular north of the border. But he clearly had the game’s best interests at heart and once said that he would be happy on Cup Final day if the match was rubbish but there’d been a suitably solemn rendition of Abide with Me.

And Jimmy never minded the criticism at all, happily laughing off the chants addressed to him when fans spotted him at a ground by saying “well, that’s fame for you”. He also did as much as anyone to keep football in the public eye during the dark days of the eighties, always looking to accentuate the positive and try and encourage lapsed fans to give it another chance. It was a bit of a blow for Jimmy and the whole of the Beeb in 1988 though when they lost the rights to league football to ITV, leaving them with just England and the FA Cup, and for a new approach for a new era Jimmy moved from presenter back to his old role of pundit.
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Bril....thanks for sharing...haven't read it all or watched it yet....wife is out tomorrow evening so I now know how some of that time will be used
 
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