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Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #281
Ian1779 said:
Why do you keep chucking out the word hypocrite then? For people calling out him for being an unfunny twat and a really poor joke?
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Change it for a joke about unvaccinated, tories or [insert others here] dying and some of the same people who have an issue with it would be laughing their heads off.

It just depends what the bandwagon is that day.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #282
In all fairness re: outline outrage, I do think it can be silly when people deliberately seek out opinions that are different from their own and then make a big showy fuss on their own social media platforms about how offensive it all is, and how they'd never think the same way, before getting stuck into endless circular arguments about something that isn't even that relevant to their everyday life. We can all agree on that.

Anyway - Nick, you found any more angry tweets you can share with us?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #283
Nick said:
Change it for a joke about unvaccinated, tories or [insert others here] dying and some of the same people who have an issue with it would be laughing their heads off.

It just depends what the bandwagon is that day.
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Whereas you would become the outraged in that example?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #284
Ian1779 said:
Whereas you would become the outraged in that example?
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No, it might be a funny joke so I'd probably laugh. It would still be a joke. His joke about unvaccinated people was also funny.

Much the same as when Sick Boy was trying to say people would be outraged if it was about British people. Not at all, if it's a funny joke it's a funny joke.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #285
Ian1779 said:
Whereas you would become the outraged in that example?
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Would he?

More likely from what I’ve seen of Nick he wouldn’t give a fuck.

There’s two schools of thought here: “jokes are jokes and the only criteria is do they make you laugh?” And “jokes are serious business and certain topics should never be used in a joke”.

I don’t see how you can police the latter personally, leaving aside who is right or wrong. But neither side is going to accept the other.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #286
Nick said:
No, it might be a funny joke so I'd probably laugh. It would still be a joke. His joke about unvaccinated people was also funny.

Much the same as when Sick Boy was trying to say people would be outraged if it was about British people. Not at all, if it's a funny joke it's a funny joke.
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It was a joke about the mass murder of British people. We’ve already had an emotive reaction to the IRA on the thread since - just imagine if DoD made a joke about the IRA bombings on here.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #287
Sick Boy said:
It was a joke about the mass murder of British people. We’ve already had an emotive reaction to the IRA on the thread since - just imagine if DoD made a joke about the IRA bombings on here.
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Youre giving reasons why you can’t police offence.

The BBC got loads of complaints from Corbyn fans when he was the butt of jokes. To them social justice is very important. So someone else it’s British soldiers. Someone else it’s rape, or cancer, or the Holocaust, or misogyny, or the plight of divorced fathers, or whether CCFC are a decent team.

There’s no line in the sand you can draw which has all universally offensive stuff one side and everything else the other.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #288
Sick Boy said:
It was a joke about the mass murder of British people. We’ve already had an emotive reaction to the IRA on the thread since - just imagine if DoD made a joke about the IRA bombings on here.
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Yeah and if it was funny it would still be a funny joke.

IRA was mentioned because DoD was pretending to be outraged about this after having actual views. Much the same as Sultana. There are people who have actual, serious views and make comments about things but then get funny about something that's part of a stand-up comedy routine.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #289
Nick said:

This guy jokes about killing gingers. Maybe a movement can be started? There are ginger people sat shaking.

He is also very funny!
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #290
David O'Day said:
On a side note, when did they tories become pro cancel culture?

Jimmy Carr’s joke about Roma people ‘deeply disturbing’, says No 10

Boris Johnson’s spokesperson says it is unacceptable to make light of genocide after comedian’s comments
www.theguardian.com
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They've always been for it, provided they get to choose what gets cancelled. Hence the constant criticism of the BBC because it doesn't act like a Chinese/Russian/North Korean state broadcaster and just say how great they are and how corrupt and evil those opposing them are.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #291
shmmeee said:
Would he?

More likely from what I’ve seen of Nick he wouldn’t give a fuck.

There’s two schools of thought here: “jokes are jokes and the only criteria is do they make you laugh?” And “jokes are serious business and certain topics should never be used in a joke”.

I don’t see how you can police the latter personally, leaving aside who is right or wrong. But neither side is going to accept the other.
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I’m not arguing for it at all… I just think that for every argument that Carr has the right to make the joke, the argument for people being upset/offended (especially if the joke represents their culture) is just as valid.
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #292
shmmeee said:
Would he?

More likely from what I’ve seen of Nick he wouldn’t give a fuck.

There’s two schools of thought here: “jokes are jokes and the only criteria is do they make you laugh?” And “jokes are serious business and certain topics should never be used in a joke”.

I don’t see how you can police the latter personally, leaving aside who is right or wrong. But neither side is going to accept the other.
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Yer, pretty much spot on.

And as far as I can tell, the hypocrisy Nick is referring to is people who cheerfully laugh along at some inappropriate jokes, but then kick off about one that's too close to home.

By all means, don't laugh, but don't moan about a joke about baldies when you've just laughed at a joke about gingers.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #293
MusicDating said:
Yer, pretty much spot on.

And as far as I can tell, the hypocrisy Nick is referring to is people who cheerfully laugh along at some inappropriate jokes, but then kick off about one that's too close to home.

By all means, don't laugh, but don't moan about a joke about baldies when you've just laughed at a joke about gingers.
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Bald and ginger jokes are a bit different to mass genocide.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #294
Ian1779 said:
I’m not arguing for it at all… I just think that for every argument that Carr has the right to make the joke, the argument for people being upset/offended (especially if the joke represents their culture) is just as valid.
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As I alluded to earlier, the people who make a display of being upset at the Jimmy Carr joke, and the people who make a display of being irritated at those who are offended have more in common with each other than they'd like to admit.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #295
Sick Boy said:
Bald and ginger jokes are a bit different to mass genocide.
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You have completely missed the point.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #296
Nick said:
You have completely missed the point.
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Not really, I prefer more self-deprecating humour to targeting persecuted groups of people, racism and mass murder.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #297
Sick Boy said:
It was a joke about the mass murder of British people. We’ve already had an emotive reaction to the IRA on the thread since - just imagine if DoD made a joke about the IRA bombings on here.
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Nah, even i'm not that much of a c**t
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #298
Sick Boy said:
Not really, I prefer more self-deprecating humour to targeting persecuted groups of people, racism and mass murder.
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And I prefer burgers to noodles.

But this isn’t about our preferences. It’s about an idea that “something should be done” when we don’t prefer something someone does.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #299
shmmeee said:
And I prefer burgers to noodles.

But this isn’t about our preferences. It’s about an idea that “something should be done” when we don’t prefer something someone does.
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Presumably you’d also defend someone’s right to make racist jokes in the public domain?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #300
Sick Boy said:
It was a joke about the mass murder of British people. We’ve already had an emotive reaction to the IRA on the thread since - just imagine if DoD made a joke about the IRA bombings on here.
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David isn’t a professional comedian just a professional moron
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #301
I've not heard the joke & I'm no fan of Jimmy Carr......

...but I was a big fan of Jerry Sadowitz back in the day & he offended every c**t on earth......

hilarious, gob-smacking & uncomfortable in fairly equal measure.....

...turns out hes still at it

EDIT: Removed youtube link in case it was deemed "offensive"
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #302
shmmeee said:
And I prefer burgers to noodles.

But this isn’t about our preferences. It’s about an idea that “something should be done” when we don’t prefer something someone does.
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But just as Netflix are free to air what they have people are free to say they don't want to contribute with their subscriptions.

I think no censorship is right but things that are generally seen as unacceptable (like the RCB stuff posted earlier) will find there isn't much of an audience for it.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #303
Sick Boy said:
Presumably you’d also defend someone’s right to make racist jokes in the public domain?
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Honestly? I would. As I said earlier RCB is a much harder case, he’s clearly racist and his jokes are shit. But it’s still comedy, he’s not inciting violence.

I don’t think it’s a fair comparison to make, but yes I’d rather allow RCB and Carr than ban both.

How would you Police it otherwise? Why racist but not sexist or ageist or any other protected characteristic under the EA?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #304
Liquid Gold said:
But just as Netflix are free to air what they have people are free to say they don't want to contribute with their subscriptions.

I think no censorship is right but things that are generally seen as unacceptable (like the RCB stuff posted earlier) will find there isn't much of an audience for it.
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Not much of an audience?

Jimmy Carr had the most streamed stand-up special of 2021 - British Comedy Guide

Jimmy Carr had the most-streamed UK stand-up special in this country last year. The top 10 also featured Russell Howard, James Acaster, Ricky Gervais and Michael McIntyre.
www.comedy.co.uk
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #305
Liquid Gold said:
But just as Netflix are free to air what they have people are free to say they don't want to contribute with their subscriptions.

I think no censorship is right but things that are generally seen as unacceptable (like the RCB stuff posted earlier) will find there isn't much of an audience for it.
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And as long as it stays that way it’s all good, it’s a delicate balance we’ve got about right. When you’ve got politicians of both stripes talking about legislation that makes me nervous though. This government has a nasty authoritarian streak and I don’t want them deciding what’s appropriate speech.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #306
Grendel said:
Not much of an audience?

Jimmy Carr had the most streamed stand-up special of 2021 - British Comedy Guide

Jimmy Carr had the most-streamed UK stand-up special in this country last year. The top 10 also featured Russell Howard, James Acaster, Ricky Gervais and Michael McIntyre.
www.comedy.co.uk
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I'm clearly not talking about Carr, RCB = Roy Chubby Brown
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #307
shmmeee said:
And as long as it stays that way it’s all good, it’s a delicate balance we’ve got about right. When you’ve got politicians of both stripes talking about legislation that makes me nervous though. This government has a nasty authoritarian streak and I don’t want them deciding what’s appropriate speech.
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Yeah I think for a lot on the left it would be a case of careful what you wish for.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #308
The way this goes when politicians get involved is like the states where you start mandating anti Marxist education or banning CRT. If I were progressive I’d be very careful pulling that thread.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #309
Liquid Gold said:
I'm clearly not talking about Carr, RCB = Roy Chubby Brown
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lol fair enough. I think his shows were sold out. Well he claimed that anyway - thing is though that’s a behind closed doors event not televised and if you go you know what you are getting
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #310
Grendel said:
lol fair enough. I think his shows were sold out. Well he claimed that anyway - thing is though that’s a behind closed doors event not televised and if you go you know what you are getting
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This is an interesting point. Is Netflix more like broadcast TV or a show you choose to attend?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #311
shmmeee said:
This is an interesting point. Is Netflix more like broadcast TV or a show you choose to attend?
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The latter...clearly.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #312
shmmeee said:
This is an interesting point. Is Netflix more like broadcast TV or a show you choose to attend?
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I subscribe to Netflix but I wouldn’t watch Jimmy Carr - it will have a lot of warnings about offensive material and you choose it or you don’t. Clearly old Royston isn’t going to get a televised gig ever but his offensiveness is his act I guess. Like you I don’t get it but he has made a career from it and dragged himself from abject poverty
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #313
I'd say the former. It's like a sky subscription, you pay your money monthly for access to the content they broadcast.

For it to be like a show you'd have to be subscribing particularly for that content. Like NFL gamepass.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #314
The government now promoting cancel culture, calling for boycott of Jimmy Carr. Still, nothing to do with being a distraction from the government’s ongoing issues I’m sure.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 7, 2022
  • #315
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
The latter...clearly.
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Id have thought so
 
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