Didn't you rate Panzo and thought we should sign him a couple of years before we unfortunately did?
Don’t rate him never have and never will. I think the fact he’s had more to spend than anyone in charge of transfers in our history is skewing your perception of him. I know we’re at the point where people are just farming likes but for those that aren’t trolls and are genuinely curious:
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That’s championship spend last three seasons. Divide the total spend (red) by the number of players bought. Only Leicester are close in per player spend to us really and they were in the PL for some of those seasons. The others with huge spends are mostly teams in the PL at some point.
We really haven’t over performed our spend massively and it backs up Doug’s feeling that we should be up the top of the league. In terms of absolute spend only Boro are close and they got 50% more players for their cash (and are also up the top).
Don’t rate him never have and never will. I think the fact he’s had more to spend than anyone in charge of transfers in our history is skewing your perception of him. I know we’re at the point where people are just farming likes but for those that aren’t trolls and are genuinely curious:
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That’s championship spend last three seasons. Divide the total spend (red) by the number of players bought. Only Leicester are close in per player spend to us really and they were in the PL for some of those seasons. The others with huge spends are mostly teams in the PL at some point.
We really haven’t over performed our spend massively and it backs up Doug’s feeling that we should be up the top of the league. In terms of absolute spend only Boro are close and they got 50% more players for their cash (and are also up the top).
Didn't you rate Panzo and thought we should sign him a couple of years before we unfortunately did?
We really haven’t over performed our spend massively and it backs up Doug’s feeling that we should be up the top of the league. In terms of absolute spend only Boro are close and they got 50% more players for their cash (and are also up the top).
the reset button has been hit. we are top, but our lead has pretty much gone.Out of interest @shmmeee, you were very vocally anti-Lampard before he joined, and for a fair bit after, essentially throwing all toys out of the pram in the online sense (we all deal with stuff in different ways, it’s kool!).
But in essence you are also suggesting that the players we have recruited are not very good, which is an opinion of course.
So either you must think Lampard is doing / has done a blinding job for about a year (second half of last season, first half of this one) with poor quality players. Or maybe the opposite? It’s a genuine question, I’m not sure exactly where you stand.
I personally think Lampard has done a little bit of a better job than the actual ability of our players so far.
Out of interest @shmmeee, you were very vocally anti-Lampard before he joined, and for a fair bit after, essentially throwing all toys out of the pram in the online sense (we all deal with stuff in different ways, it’s kool!).
But in essence you are also suggesting that the players we have recruited are not very good, which is an opinion of course.
So either you must think Lampard is doing / has done a blinding job for about a year (second half of last season, first half of this one) with poor quality players. Or maybe the opposite? It’s a genuine question, I’m not sure exactly where you stand.
I personally think Lampard has done a little bit of a better job than the actual ability of our players so far.
Check my avatar for around a year and the thread that goes with it. I think despite me not thinking the football is great his results speak for themselves and he’s probably doing the right tactics for the squad and level we are at.
I am worried he’s lost his head a bit recently, but I’d say that about everyone involved with the club. These are head losing times.
The appointment concerned me at first - I wanted Kim Hellberg! But I was willing to give him time.
I think he came in and looked to solidify us and waited for a few players to come in / come back, assessed the squad eventually opting for his preferred formation.
I think his formation matches what our personnel do “well” and plays to our strengths. Unfortunately, probably like you, I think we need to be a little less footballing in away games and just more horrible. I don’t think that is something we particularly know how to do / plays to our strengths though.
I think we probably have a “top 6 deck” but hopefully Lampard can keep us in the top 2.
I mean most seasons let’s be honest we’d be about third or fourth right now. We’re lucky the parachute clubs are all underperforming but we’re the best of the rest which is what we should hope for and he’s delivering.
What I don’t get is that our flexibility was our strength earlier on in the season and recently it seems we are too inflexible. I think a big chunk of blame goes to the players who let’s face it have bottled things a few times over multiple managers now but Lampard has also never been here as a manager and we don’t know if he has that ability to get the group back on track. Though that’s not all on him.
Im not sure we are anymore really , we are outperforming our budget but i doubt very much we are a bottom half team in that regardsIf we were third or fourth right now we will still be out performing our playing cost budget. We are a lower half team based on playing budget.
I think that’s rightI mean most seasons let’s be honest we’d be about third or fourth right now. We’re lucky the parachute clubs are all underperforming but we’re the best of the rest which is what we should hope for and he’s delivering.
What I don’t get is that our flexibility was our strength earlier on in the season and recently it seems we are too inflexible. I think a big chunk of blame goes to the players who let’s face it have bottled things a few times over multiple managers now but Lampard has also never been here as a manager and we don’t know if he has that ability to get the group back on track. Though that’s not all on him.
Well it could be a factor in our recent drop off in form,who knows though.Isn't the story of football clubs in this country that most of them consistently under perform vs. what they spend on transfers? so if we're doing as well as we should and getting value from players, that's a good job being done.
I think you're missing a big thing. It's known we don't pay the wages lots of clubs do, parachute clubs or not. All data shows that wages paid is the biggest driver of performance in football. In that respect, I think we over perform.
Last season I was of the opinion that Lampard achieved par with the squad, albeit he had to recover from a poor start. He's exceeded that until Xmas. Final chunk of the season will decide if he's over performing spend and wages.
I've said several times that Frank & his coaching team have done a remarkable job getting our squad to the top of the League.I personally think Lampard has done a little bit of a better job than the actual ability of our players so far.
If we were third or fourth right now we will still be out performing our playing cost budget. We are a lower half team based on playing budget.
Define budget. I have no idea what our wage budget is but rumours are multiple players on £20k+ a week, in terms of transfer spend absolutely not, we are top six.
I'd put our net spend on transfers around the top half.Define budget. I have no idea what our wage budget is but rumours are multiple players on £20k+ a week, in terms of transfer spend absolutely not, we are top six.
Far be it from me to defend an argument based on Transfermarkt data, but surely over-counting the number of arrivals would mean the cost-per-player would in reality be even higher?OMG you have used transfer market
Not only are the values nonsense - as I already showed the other day - you do realise “arrivals” include players like Ryan Howley and Kai Andrews when their loan period expires
This literally is comedy gold
Does this explain our depp in form?
Far be it from me to defend an argument based on Transfermarkt data, but surely over-counting the number of arrivals would mean the cost-per-player would in reality be even higher?
The biggest and most obvious argument against Austin’s signings being rubbish would be that we’re currently top of the league…
Not to me they werent , i always argued we only finished 9th because of the cup run with small squadSo when the same team finished ninth were they bad signings?
I think our transfer record over a few years is just the right side of good. I’m not convinced we can offer the wages to compete with probably the top 6-7 in the league spend wise so we are over performing. As we’re seeing now that’s difficult to do over an entire season. But I’d say Wright, EMC, Saka, Rushworth, Grimes, MVE, Rudoni, Dovin are definitively good finds.
I think Simms is an average signing. His general play is poor to the point we are delighted when he hassles the odd central defender. That should be a given - along with being able to control the ball.What a strange omission,a bloke who's scored the same amount as Haji in Simms.
I think Simms is an average signing. His general play is poor to the point we are delighted when he hassles the odd central defender. That should be a given - along with being able to control the ball.What a strange omission,a bloke who's scored the same amount as Haji in Simms.
You’d certainly have an easier time making that argument than you would today, but a) there are obviously other factors that influence where we finish and b) the team’s stated goal is to finish top 6 every season, so it’s hardly a catastrophic failure.So when the same team finished ninth were they bad signings?
You’d certainly have an easier time making that argument than you would today, but a) there are obviously other factors that influence where we finish and b) the team’s stated goal is to finish top 6 every season, so it’s hardly a catastrophic failure.
I think Simms is an average signing. His general play is poor to the point we are delighted when he hassles the odd central defender. That should be a given - along with being able to control the ball.
It’s the aim set by the club owner.Why is that the stated goal?
It’s the aim set by the club owner.
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