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Lord_Nampil · Aug 7, 2016

isnt he a teacher as well?? sure he s

Nick said:
Maybe it's time Mowbray stopped being a league one manager then? He should also probably stop looking at players who command high wages and wondering why they go to championship teams.

If anything, apart from getting people angry all that achieves is making mowbray look bad.

The problem isnt the scraps we feed off, its the fact we have a well respected manager within the game that can't offer the same deals he could at West Brom and Middlesbrough.... If he had gone out and got proven league 1 players, like he has with Reid from day one then maybe we wouldn't be 6 players short.....

Clearly something was said but it may be slightly different to what is actually being reported, you change just a few words and it comes out more powerful and to the point than it actually did.

italiahorse · Aug 7, 2016

Nick said:
Maybe it's time Mowbray stopped being a league one manager then? He should also probably stop looking at players who command high wages and wondering why they go to championship teams.

If anything, apart from getting people angry all that achieves is making mowbray look bad.

He is just biding his time.

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

italiahorse said:
..... and some will try to protect Sisu and deny it !!
In reality if I had to put money on it I would say it's not going to plan.

I pointed out why it doesn't make sense and why it makes tm look bad if he said it...

Not even doesn't make sense on behalf of sisu, but for what tm was doing since with players like Wilson and maybe even reid.

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

Lord_Nampil said:
isnt he a teacher as well?? sure he s

The problem isnt the scraps we feed off, its the fact we have a well respected manager within the game that can't offer the same deals he could at West Brom and Middlesbrough.... If he had gone out and got proven league 1 players, like he has with Reid from day one then maybe we wouldn't be 6 players short.....

Clearly something was said but it may be slightly different to what is actually being reported, you change just a few words and it comes out more powerful and to the point than it actually did.

Exactly, going after championship players could be why we miss targets. If our targets all went to league 2 then we gave a problem

It's all well and good saying it's because we don't offer the wages, but we still need to be realistic don't we?

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

italiahorse said:
He is just biding his time.

For what?

How does that explain chasing players on 20k a week last season if we are just on scraps?

Our fans can't seem to understand why players would do to Rotherham, some didn't even realise they were in the league above.

SkyBlueRuffian · Aug 7, 2016

Nick said:
Exactly, going after championship players could be why we miss targets. If our targets all went to league 2 then we gave a problem

It's all well and good saying it's because we don't offer the wages, but we still need to be realistic don't we?

Stop trying to deflect the blame from the owners of this club.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Aug 7, 2016

Nick said:
Maybe it's time Mowbray stopped being a league one manager then? He should also probably stop looking at players who command high wages and wondering why they go to championship teams.

If anything, apart from getting people angry all that achieves is making mowbray look bad.

I don't buy the theory that it was his 'plan' to still need six first team players after the seasons already started.

He may be biding his time for the right players, but he's missed out on numerous targets. Either the targets should have been more realistic, or he should have had more equivalent targets lined up.

I don't deny he will still bring in good players, and it might have been bad luck so far. However, I don't put the current position we're in down to some sort of master plan, and I think the manager should have to take some stick for the state that the team is currently in.

As for SISU, who knows what they have or haven't promised him, but if he's going for players like Wilson, I can't see he's being that hard done to at all.

ceetee · Aug 7, 2016

It seems to me that if we were going to get players in on a contract that would have been done by now. Therefore the talk of 5 or 6 players in the next couple of weeks can only be loans

italiahorse · Aug 7, 2016

SkyBlueRuffian said:
Stop trying to deflect the blame from the owners of this club.

It's his job ?

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

SkyBlueRuffian said:
Stop trying to deflect the blame from the owners of this club.

How is that trying to deflect the blame? It is looking at it logically isn't it?

If Tony Mowbray has said it is worse than you could ever imagine, why would he go after players like Wilson? Rather than proven League 1, League 2 or even proven conference players?

If he was so desperate and on scraps, why would he be taking on trialists and saying they have to be absolutely amazing to earn a contract and then sacking them off?

It is just looking at it without blind hate, rather than just going mental rar rar.

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

italiahorse said:
It's his job ?

I cant ever remember making silly gifs saying they are saving us?

SkyBlueRuffian · Aug 7, 2016

Nick said:
How is that trying to deflect the blame? It is looking at it logically isn't it?

If Tony Mowbray has said it is worse than you could ever imagine, why would he go after players like Wilson? Rather than proven League 1, League 2 or even proven conference players?

If he was so desperate and on scraps, why would he be taking on trialists and saying they have to be absolutely amazing to earn a contract and then sacking them off?

It is just looking at it without blind hate, rather than just going mental rar rar.

he enquired and spoke to Wilson who agreed to join us, isn't that doing his job.
Don't you think it's sad that players like him decide to go elsewhere, Sambou, Fleck, Vincelot etc are all telling you what the problem is without telling us. It's pretty obvious to a lot of us.

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

SkyBlueRuffian said:
To have to sell Vi

he enquired and spoke to Wilson who agreed to join us, isn't that doing his job.
Don't you think it's sad that players like him decide to go elsewhere, Sambou, Fleck, Vincelot etc are all telling you what the problem is without telling us. It's pretty obvious to a lot of us.

Really?

Sambou went to Everton where he is on about 3k a week, which is double the average wage for league 1 and probably more than most of our first teamers. Should we be paying the same? Maybe we should play a kid who wasn't even first choice in the Under 21's last season more than some of our first teamers and then wonder why we all go to shit?

Fleck went to Sheffield United, on around 8k a week. Venus has said we offered him as much as we could which would make him the top earner at the club.

Vincelot has reportedly doubled his wages and Venus said something about his injury and that it was a footballing decision. MV and TM have both said they chose to sell him.

Wilson was on about 20k at Forest last season and will be on a decent whack at Rotherham, also in the league above. So do we compete and break the bank on one player?

What is the problem then? That Mowbray and Venus are refusing to spend silly money?

Maybe the "lot of us" should have a look at it without the blind hatred and see why?

robbiekeane · Aug 7, 2016

Nick said:
Really?

Sambou went to Everton where he is on about 3k a week, which is double the average wage for league 1 and probably more than most of our first teamers. Should we be paying the same? Maybe we should play a kid who wasn't even first choice in the Under 21's last season more than some of our first teamers and then wonder why we all go to shit?

Fleck went to Sheffield United, on around 8k a week. Venus has said we offered him as much as we could which would make him the top earner at the club.

Vincelot has reportedly doubled his wages and Venus said something about his injury and that it was a footballing decision. MV and TM have both said they chose to sell him.

Wilson was on about 20k at Forest last season and will be on a decent whack at Rotherham, also in the league above. So do we compete and break the bank on one player?

What is the problem then? That Mowbray and Venus are refusing to spend silly money?

Maybe the "lot of us" should have a look at it without the blind hatred and see why?

Thank god at least some of our fans can think rationally. Can't help feel it's a waste of time though to try and explain it to this lot

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

robbiekeane said:
Thank god at least some of our fans can think rationally. Can't help feel it's a waste of time though to try and explain it to this lot

It is a bit of a joke, it is as if we should just pay players as much as they want and that TM is the only manager with a wage budget to work to.

Some are blind to what actually happens in football overall rather than just CCFC.

People getting up in arms over Sambou leaving to go to Everton, what should we have done? I am sure they would have understood that we would have less for the first team because we are paying a kid 3k a week and he is behind George Thomas in the pecking order.

What does George Thomas then do? A kid is behind him in the order and gets 3k a week, should he get 4k? What does the striker on the bench think, should he get 5k? What does the main striker (for example the Sordell) think? Should he get 7k?

The likes of Man City are paying probably 10-20k a week for 18 year olds, if one of them come in for a kid should we match it as well?

It really baffles me what some people are actually thinking sometimes.

valeskyblue · Aug 7, 2016

Nick said:
Really?

Sambou went to Everton where he is on about 3k a week, which is double the average wage for league 1 and probably more than most of our first teamers. Should we be paying the same? Maybe we should play a kid who wasn't even first choice in the Under 21's last season more than some of our first teamers and then wonder why we all go to shit?

Fleck went to Sheffield United, on around 8k a week. Venus has said we offered him as much as we could which would make him the top earner at the club.

Vincelot has reportedly doubled his wages and Venus said something about his injury and that it was a footballing decision. MV and TM have both said they chose to sell him.

Wilson was on about 20k at Forest last season and will be on a decent whack at Rotherham, also in the league above. So do we compete and break the bank on one player?

What is the problem then? That Mowbray and Venus are refusing to spend silly money?

Maybe the "lot of us" should have a look at it without the blind hatred and see why?

Well put Nick. Been struggling to get my head around the budget, vincelot leaving. We gotta trust Mowbray, of course its disappointing to start with such a poor team but it will get better. I hope

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

I think this sums it up, WHERE IS THE MONEY GONE? We have no overheads!

Just because people shout loud, it doesn't always make them right does it? The accounts will show where the money has gone won't it?

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

Another rumour is that we offered John Fleck a 50% pay cut..

skybluedan · Aug 7, 2016

After reading threw juggys tweeter there , I still think it's blag
And if your reading this juggy I get the feeling with you that if I said I'd been to Tenerife you would have been to elevenerife!!!!!!!!

ccfcway · Aug 7, 2016

Nick said:
Another rumour is that we offered John Fleck a 50% pay cut..

makes sense really, need to cut our cloth accordingly and make the most of the budget

clint van damme · Aug 7, 2016

I think a lot of supporters forget, (or aren't old enough to remember), the reason we are where we are now, the reason we don't own our own ground and have been lumbered with SISU is because we used to spend money we didn't have like it was going out of fashion.

Grendel · Aug 7, 2016

Nick said:
I think this sums it up, WHERE IS THE MONEY GONE? We have no overheads!

Just because people shout loud, it doesn't always make them right does it? The accounts will show where the money has gone won't it?

Didn't he write a piece in the Telegraph that was exposed as being complete bollocks?

stupot07 · Aug 7, 2016

Grendel said:
Didn't he write a piece in the Telegraph that was exposed as being complete bollocks?

He did keep banging on about there being lots of money in the football club during the phone in.

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Nick · Aug 7, 2016

Grendel said:
Didn't he write a piece in the Telegraph that was exposed as being complete bollocks?

basically saying sisu were taking loads of money out of the club

valeskyblue · Aug 7, 2016

What do people get out of it? making up bullshit stories about there own team.

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

valeskyblue said:
What do people get out of it? making up bullshit stories about there own team.

Publicity... Attention

valeskyblue · Aug 7, 2016

Needs to get a life if he is making this shit up

MatthewWallis · Aug 7, 2016

He's talking shit. On his Twitter he said TM was talking to someone else near him and then he says TM said it directly to him

SkyBlueRuffian · Aug 7, 2016

Nick said:
Really?

Sambou went to Everton where he is on about 3k a week, which is double the average wage for league 1 and probably more than most of our first teamers. Should we be paying the same? Maybe we should play a kid who wasn't even first choice in the Under 21's last season more than some of our first teamers and then wonder why we all go to shit?

Fleck went to Sheffield United, on around 8k a week. Venus has said we offered him as much as we could which would make him the top earner at the club.

Vincelot has reportedly doubled his wages and Venus said something about his injury and that it was a footballing decision. MV and TM have both said they chose to sell him.

Wilson was on about 20k at Forest last season and will be on a decent whack at Rotherham, also in the league above. So do we compete and break the bank on one player?

What is the problem then? That Mowbray and Venus are refusing to spend silly money?

Maybe the "lot of us" should have a look at it without the blind hatred and see why?

If SISU were running the club well, owning stadiums or even building stadiums, not lying to supporters year in year out, backing their manager and showing some ambition, showing us a plan, some transparency, then maybe my "hatred" wouldn't be so "blind"?

Gazolba · Aug 7, 2016

Most of the good players we got last season were when we were near top of the league and looked odds-on for promotion. Unless that happens again this season, we wont be able to attract the best players. There is little doubt our team will remain significantly weaker than last season. Last season was our best hope for promotion but we blew it.

Grendel · Aug 7, 2016

SkyBlueRuffian said:
If SISU were running the club well, owning stadiums or even building stadiums, not lying to supporters year in year out, backing their manager and showing some ambition, showing us a plan, some transparency, then maybe my "hatred" wouldn't be so "blind"?

Perhaps - but suggesting Juggy is a reliable witness is not credible

Nick · Aug 7, 2016

SkyBlueRuffian said:
If SISU were running the club well, owning stadiums or even building stadiums, not lying to supporters year in year out, backing their manager and showing some ambition, showing us a plan, some transparency, then maybe my "hatred" wouldn't be so "blind"?

So what had that got to do with anything I just said? You throw statements out and I replied, then you just throw other random statements out.

My reply makes sense doesn't it? Maybe if people actually thought about things before getting angry they would have a better idea.

Still, we should pay a kid who can't get into the u 21's twice the league average or we will go mad at the owners...

baldy · Aug 7, 2016

This might not be that far from the truth about the Juggy thing
My bro's good mates with one of the CWR reporters & he's been told the same thing himself by Mogga about things not being good at the club &,apparently,being lied to about the money he's got to spend by the board & is apparently really disillusioned about life at City.
According to this reporter friend,Mogga's been forced to sign players he doesn't even want & fears a relegation battle this season
(Just passing on what I've heard folks )

robbiekeane · Aug 7, 2016

baldy said:
This might not be that far from the truth about the Juggy thing
My bro's good mates with one of the CWR reporters & he's been told the same thing himself by Mogga about things not being good at the club &,apparently,being lied to about the money he's got to spend by the board & is apparently really disillusioned about life at City.
According to this reporter friend,Mogga's been forced to sign players he doesn't even want & fears a relegation battle this season
(Just passing on what I've heard folks )

call bullshit on this too

baldy · Aug 7, 2016

As I say,I'm just passing on what I've heard...simple as that

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